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Re: Western Pacific 50' PS-1 Single Door Boxcar [1955].

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Arnold,

The car is sorta-kinda accurate. The sill is wrong (should arc-lip type) and it has a 9' door vs. 8' on the prototype. Otherwise, it is a pretty good stand-in for WP series 3011-3050. You should bookmark my WP freight car site: http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ggg9y/wp.html .


Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Arnold wrote:

Sirs,

Recently purchased by me is a Western Pacific 50' PS-1 Single Door Boxcar "new 1955".
http://www.yesteryearmodels.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=YM&Product_Code=YYM51401&Category_Code=YYfreightc
arsho
I've replaced the couplers with Kadee #78 types,
but i will like to know the truck type of this car.
Any idea?

Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.



Re: NYC 70-ton triple hoppers - USRA trucks??

David Smith <dsmith@...>
 

And I just love that nice smooth, uniform coal load, just like all the
cast ones ;-)

Dave Smith


Western Pacific 50' PS-1 Single Door Boxcar [1955].

Arnold van Heyst
 

Sirs,

Recently purchased by me is a Western Pacific 50' PS-1 Single Door
Boxcar "new 1955".
http://www.yesteryearmodels.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?
Screen=PROD&Store_Code=YM&Product_Code=YYM51401&Category_Code=YYfreightc
arsho
I've replaced the couplers with Kadee #78 types,
but i will like to know the truck type of this car.
Any idea?

Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


Prototype for Front Range 50' Steel boxcar IDE, 8'Ygstn door,diagonal pnl roof

oliver
 

Anotyher one I'm not sure about! I found this FR car in storgae painted
and lettered for ATSF 12369 BX70 with large DF logo and "Ship and
travel" slogan with 7-56 reweigh and built dates. Any accurate
prototypes for this one? (I model SP 1954-56)
Any help from listmembers appreciated as always!
Stefan Lerche'


Re: Modeler's Guide to Steel Boxcars (or "Boxcars for Dummies")

oliver
 

Rich,
The latest issue of Model Railroader has just such an article by Tony
Koester. I would also advise joining the Renselaer Model RR Society
(nominal charge for access to their website) and perusing John
Nehrich's freight car info on the site, which gives good details about
many available boxcar kits, some history and photos as well.
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/
Hope that helps
Stefan Lerche'
Duncan, BC Canada

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "RichBeau" <RichBeau@...> wrote:

As the resident newbie I've not found a solid "Boxcars for Dummies" (or
a Complete Idiot's Guide to Boxcars for that matter). It sure would be
nice to have a resource for this sort of info.

In fact there's only two choices; the Kalmbach Guiode to Freight Cars
or start pulling on the tail of the Ouroborous.

--Rich
who's really not a shill


central PA manufacturers

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Kahn" <harumd@...> wrote:

I can't say I know, but it seems more than coincidence that the
late Ken
Tompkins of Keystone Locomotive Works located right up the street
from Bob
Weaver in Northumberland. I have always suspected that he did the
casting
for QC and Bob in turn cut the wood for KLW kits. I'd be
interested to
learn whether there is any substance to my suspicion.
I visited Qualitycraft in the early '80s and Bob showed me his
casting equipment. Bob had a lot of older ladies who worked for him
part time picking parts for kits. Bob had excellent models of almost
everything he made a kit for. Bob was a big, tall guy, about 60,
semiretired, and he told me that he'd sold insurance.
Interestingly, Bob was an O scale modeler, Union Pacific I think. He
told me his son in law built a couple of the models on display; I
guess the son in law runs the business now.
I asked Bob how he bent such perfect stirrup steps and he took out a
piece of flat wire and bent it for me perfectly.

Ed


Re: SP Stock Car

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

I thought I would share this neat image of a T&NO stock car I found at the Los Angeles Public Library web site.

http://jpg2.lapl.org/pics30/00049745.jpg

It ws taken at L.A. Union Stockyards in 1937.

Enjoy,

Peter

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Re: Triple Hoppers

armprem
 

Gentlemen,Are there any good models of a quad hopper other than Bowser's or Westerfield's( both Pennsy }? Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Triple Hoppers


Justin Kahn wrote:
"Keystone?" Is it possible you meant "Crown" (which Rich did import
for his H21's)?
Did you look at the photo, Jace? It very clearly says
"Keystone" right on it. I associate the "Crown" trucks with the PRR,
though I'd be happy to be enlightened about broader use.

I take it Larry is using "USRA" in the sense of "USRA flatcar," which
is to say designs considered by the committee but never actually built
under the auspices of the USRA?
The committee didn't "consider" designs, it created/assembled
them, but you are right that none were ever ordered by USRA. That of
course didn't keep anyone else from liking or ordering from the
drawings. Carbuilder representatives were the core of the committee and
naturally they could market any of the designs they liked, to be built
by their own plant.

The "cast" trucks look (off the top of my head) very much like
Vulcans, so the San Juan D&RGW Vulcan set might serve.
Not like many Vulcans I know, other than the separate
journals. As we are all learning, sideframe shape did differ among
manufacturers, and we are far from being able to accurately model many
of the commercial castings which were in use.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Triple Hoppers

woodyp48
 

the san juan O scale vulcan is i believe a 40 ton truck circa 1915,
and would not be suitable for a 70 ton "USRA" never built hopper (
clones were built with mods from the original design), even tho it
might look similar tp a point, big point. so, this prototype truck is
another that has never been produced in O scale.

woody grosdoff


Re: Triple Hoppers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Justin Kahn wrote:
"Keystone?" Is it possible you meant "Crown" (which Rich did import for his H21's)?
Did you look at the photo, Jace? It very clearly says "Keystone" right on it. I associate the "Crown" trucks with the PRR, though I'd be happy to be enlightened about broader use.

I take it Larry is using "USRA" in the sense of "USRA flatcar," which is to say designs considered by the committee but never actually built under the auspices of the USRA?
The committee didn't "consider" designs, it created/assembled them, but you are right that none were ever ordered by USRA. That of course didn't keep anyone else from liking or ordering from the drawings. Carbuilder representatives were the core of the committee and naturally they could market any of the designs they liked, to be built by their own plant.

The "cast" trucks look (off the top of my head) very much like Vulcans, so the San Juan D&RGW Vulcan set might serve.
Not like many Vulcans I know, other than the separate journals. As we are all learning, sideframe shape did differ among manufacturers, and we are far from being able to accurately model many of the commercial castings which were in use.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


San Francisco Bay Area RPM event - April 30, 2006

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

You are invited to attend the 3rd annual Bay Area Prototype Modelers (BAPM)
event on Sunday, April 30, 2006, from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM at the spacious
Marriott Hotel in Fremont, California.

This Railroad Prototype Modeler (RPM) event is open to model railroaders of
all roads, scales, and eras. Finished models, along with those still
in-progress, are encouraged and welcome for display.

BAPM 2006 features:
* More than 3,700 sq. ft. of display space... over 3x last year's!
* Hundreds of detailed models on display
* Four in-depth clinics (see schedule below)
* Free-mo modular layout display (to learn more about Free-mo visit
http://www.free-mo.org/)
* Manufacturers on-site with displays and merchandise for sale
* Raffle for great prizes from Major Model Railroad Manufacturers and local
hobby shops (see website for sponsors list)

Clinic schedule:
11:30 - 12:00 -- "Flares": Modeling SP's EMD SD45s, by Elizabeth Allen
12:00 - 1:30 -- Lunch break
1:30 - 2:00 -- Modeling Western Pacific Covered Hoppers, by Thom Anderson
2:15 - 3:00 -- Pennsy Modeling without Brain Damage, by Tony Thompson
3:15 - 4:00 -- Building Urethane Resin Kits, by Gene Fusco, Rail Yard Models

When: Sunday, April 30, 2006
10:00 AM - 5:00 PM

Where: Fremont Marriott Hotel
46100 Landing Parkway
Fremont CA 94538
Phone: (510) 413-3700
http://www.fremontmarriott.com
Hotel Reservations: 1-800-228-9290

A special hotel rate of $74 per night (per room, NOT per person) is
available by contacting the Marriott. Make sure to request reservation code
"BAYBAYA".

BAPM Admission: $20.00, or only $18.00 when you bring at least one model to
display.

Pre-registration by April 25th is strongly encouraged and brings you the
following benefits:
1) Express check-in at the door
2) Name badge pre-printed (you don't get the "Hello, I'm _____ " badge)
3) Receive TWO free raffle tickets for a chance to win prizes from major
model railroad manufacturers and local hobby shops!

Walk-in registrations also welcome, however, two free raffle ticket offer
reserved for pre-registration only.

Additional raffle tickets will be available for sale at the event.

Visit our BAPM website for details and registration instructions
http://www.bayareaprototypemodelers.org

Questions or need more information? Please visit our website, or contact
me directly.

Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@pacbell.net


Re: Lumber loading

Greg Martin
 

Guys,

It might be something as simple as an attempt to keep the boxcar floor somewhat dry so someone wouldn't slip inside the car.

Greg Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: Manfred Lorenz <germanfred55@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 12:43:41 -0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lumber loading


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...> wrote:

This particular image was taken in 1936 at the Red River Lumber Co.
What is unusual (to me, at least), is the apparent use of boards and
canvas (?) to shield the area above the boxcar doors. It appears
these temporary structures were to protect the finished lumber from
the rain.

Maybe it's just that simple but can anyone shed more light on this?
My idea is that it is a way to protect the opening and thus the
interior of the boxcar from the rain. Otherwise it would get on the
loaded lumber inside and accumulate perhaps on the floor running under
the load into the corners and ... what a mess!

The way it looks only the unprotected boards in the open get wet, the
top boards only. These will dry by themselves.

Manfred






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Re: QC Castings

Justin Kahn
 

I can't say I know, but it seems more than coincidence that the late Ken Tompkins of Keystone Locomotive Works located right up the street from Bob Weaver in Northumberland. I have always suspected that he did the casting for QC and Bob in turn cut the wood for KLW kits. I'd be interested to learn whether there is any substance to my suspicion.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:54:09 -0000
From: "ed_mines" <ed_mines@yahoo.com>
Subject: centrifical castings

Bob Weaver (Qualitycraft and some Models) used centrifical casting.
His cast parts from 20-30 years ago are magnificant.

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Re: Ford rail cars

lrkdbn
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Riba <jriba@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I photographed a Ford gondola at the Rockport Yard near the
Ford engine plant in
Brook Park, OH.
This was during the Penn Central era. Unfortunately, the picture
didn't develop
properly so it isn't much to look at. My guess is that it might
have been used in the
plant area. A scrapping operation sends scrap used for engine
production.Although
this is not a hopper car, it does show a Ford car can be found
outside of Detroit.Did
Ford send machinery in this car? Or was there some other reason
for it being there?

John F. Riba
I recall once seeing a Ford steel mill gondola in a Penn Central
freight in Dearborn(on the ex Michigan Central main). I don't think
it happened very often that those cars left the plant. Most of them
that I saw around the Rouge Plant in the 70's were very beat up and
probably not acceptable for interchange.
Larry King <lrkdbn@aol.com>

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Re: Ford rail cars

lrkdbn
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, John Riba <jriba@...> wrote:

Hello Group,

I photographed a Ford gondola at the Rockport Yard near the
Ford engine plant in
Brook Park, OH.
This was during the Penn Central era. Unfortunately, the picture
didn't develop
properly so it isn't much to look at. My guess is that it might
have been used in the
plant area. A scrapping operation sends scrap used for engine
production.Although
this is not a hopper car, it does show a Ford car can be found
outside of Detroit.Did
Ford send machinery in this car? Or was there some other reason
for it being there?

John F. Riba
I recall once seeing a Ford steel mill gondola in a Penn Central
freight in Dearborn(on the ex Michigan Central main). I don't think
it happened very often that those cars left the plant. Most of them
that I saw around the Rouge Plant in the 70's were very beat up and
probably not acceptable for interchange.
Larry King <lrkdbn@aol.com>

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Re: 1906 Car Builder's Dictionary

lrkdbn
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "joe binish" <joebinish@...> wrote:

Those not in jail,
I have found a little info in my ongoing search for the UTLX Type
X
cars. An article in the 3/84 MR references the 1906 Car Bldrs
Dictionary.
I am hoping someone on list has one(or a copy/reprint?) and can
duplicate a
few pages for me, at my cost.
TIA,
Joe Binish
Up in the warm wastes of Minnesota
Yes, what do you need?
Larry King Reply to <lrkdbn@aol.com>


Re: Triple Hoppers

Justin Kahn
 

"Keystone?" Is it possible you meant "Crown" (which Rich did import for his H21's)?
I take it Larry is using "USRA" in the sense of "USRA flatcar," which is to say designs considered by the committee but never actually built under the auspices of the USRA? Since no triples were constructed during USRA control.
The "cast" trucks look (off the top of my head) very much like Vulcans, so the San Juan D&RGW Vulcan set might serve. Veronas, you are on your own, but AT is a big boy and can handle that.
As I recall the prototype images on Rich's website of the RDG gondolas, they generally had the Taylor truck most used by the RDG; at least there you might find a pair of the Lobaughs.
Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.



From: "proto48er" atkott@swbell.net
Date: Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:43pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: NYC 70-ton triple hoppers - USRA trucks??

Larry -

Thank you very much! I did not realize that you were a P&LE
expert! I will order that article!

I am trying to find some use for the 70-ton USRA Andrews type
trucks that Rich Yoder imported - I bought (10) pair, thinking that
three pair would be used under my Bob Parri NYC triple hoppers! I
cannot find the 1984-era copy of the NYCHS Headlight article which,
I recall, indicated that these triples had "Keystone" trucks under
them - a type of Andrews truck. I do not know which series had the
USRA trucks. Parri's models were based on the photos in that
article, plus NYC plans from Lance Vail.

Similar trucks are under this NYC triple, but the car is
different from the models!

http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-435171.jpg

I know that I can use at least four pair under my Parri NYC/RDG
gons. and one pair under a PSC#15263 C&O quad offset hopper with
peaked ends. Unfortunately, the NYC USRA gondolas with air-
activated containers and brick containers all appear to have cast
trucks under them. The two B&O USRA "clone" gondolas of mine have
the wider "B&O" end, one flat and one with horizontal crease, so
they both use cast trucks.

Need three pair of trucks?? Thanks again! A.T. Kott





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Re: Modeler's Guide to Steel Boxcars (or "Boxcars for Dummies")

Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
 

I believe I was present at Naperville that year and was very impressed. The NMRA has this available??

On Apr 13, 2006, at 9:19 AM, lnbill wrote:

The NMRA sells a video they shot of a convention presentation I did one
year entitled something like "A History of the Forty Foot Boxcar as
Told Through Models" that was originally developed for presentation at
Sunshine Models Naperville gathering around 1995-96. It started about
1910 I think with a Harriman design and goes through 1955 with an AAR
welded steel design. I think you can check it out through the library
there.

Many of the folks on this list have seen this presentation, and from
the feedback I received at the time, there were no major errors, or
even minor ones.

Bill Welch



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "RichBeau" <RichBeau@...> wrote:

As the resident newbie I've not found a solid "Boxcars for Dummies"
(or
a Complete Idiot's Guide to Boxcars for that matter). It sure would
be
nice to have a resource for this sort of info.

In fact there's only two choices; the Kalmbach Guiode to Freight Cars
or start pulling on the tail of the Ouroborous.

--Rich
who's really not a shill






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Re: NYC 70-ton triple hoppers - USRA trucks??

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Larry Kline wrote:
I just posted a Keystone truck photo scanned from the Keith Retterer
SSC builders photo of P&LE USRA design triple hopper 66000. Note that
it is a cast steel truck. You can read Keystone below the spring plank.

I looked at the photo again and it looks like the journal boxes may be
separate rather than integrally cast. Its hard to tell from the photo,
but these are holes behind the journal boxes that could be for
attaching separate journal boxes. Maybe these trucks are similar to
Andrews trucks. Does anyone know? Have drawings of these trucks been
published?
I would say it is clear that they are separate journal boxes, not unlike Vulcan trucks. They are not much like Andrews trucks, which had various kinds of retainer bars underneath the journals.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: NYC 70-ton triple hoppers - USRA trucks??

Larry Kline
 

I wrote:
I just posted a Keystone truck photo scanned from the Keith Retterer
SSC builders photo of P&LE USRA design triple hopper 66000. Note that
it is a cast steel truck. You can read Keystone below the spring plank.

I looked at the photo again and it looks like the journal boxes may be
separate rather than integrally cast. Its hard to tell from the photo,
but these are holes behind the journal boxes that could be for
attaching separate journal boxes. Maybe these trucks are similar to
Andrews trucks. Does anyone know? Have drawings of these trucks been
published?

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

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