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Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@adelphia.net> wrote: BTW, you can
zoom in on the model image a lot easier with the pdf link
version that Andy supplied. It looks pretty sweet.
I'm impressed. Looks as good as one of Ted C's models!

SGL


Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

charles slater
 

Saves ME a lot of work in the future.
Charlie Slater

From: "Miller, Andrew S." <asmiller@mitre.org>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:39:14 -0400

We have a winner!

regards,

Andy Miller

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Ian Cranstone


On 20-Apr-06, at 9:42 AM, Miller, Andrew S. wrote:

What was the pad on the front of that famous message?
As I recall, the message read: "Turkey trots to water. Where is Task
Force 34? The whole world wonders".


Re: Jones & Laughlin tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
On top of that, the version produced by F&C appears to mimic the mistake
made by the previous NWSL brass J&L 20,000 gallon tanks... that silver
with black lettering paint job. More than likely, it is a "builder's
paint job" done to highlight the details. The few pictures of operational
J&L tanks in this series appear to show black cars with white lettering
<G>. A paint job that make a lot more sense for its lading of coal tar.
I don't know if the model comes with those decals as well, but so far I
have seen no evidence of it.
Aw, heck, Bruce, can't you just put the decals into Photoshop and invert the image?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


HO Scale for sale items

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I'm doing a little spring cleaning wanted to offer some of my extra
equipment here first.

If interested in any items please contact me off list. Shipping will need to
be added to all items usually $4.05 for Priority Mail but negotiable
depending on items purchased and shipping method.

P2k
CNW Single Deck Mather Stock car, 36513 built up stock kit $5.00
B&O Single Deck Mather Stock Car, 112117, kit, missing trucks $7.00

IM
40' PS-1 PRR kit car number 47010 $10.00
40' 1937 AAR M&StL kit, car number 54618, $12.00 This was the newer "red"
kit produced last year.

Kadee PS-2 Central of Georgia 1475, $30.00

IMWX 40' 1937 AAR C&EI w/ Viking Roof, 64154, (this is a Des Plaines Hobbies
Kit) Built up, original 1930's scheme with the black door. $15.00

Athearn PS2893, Monon 4408 $15.00

F&C
LV Wrong Way Dr Box Rev. Murphy Ends, Zenith Roof, 5 Panel Superior door, AB
Brakes. $15.00
Carbon Black Hopper Shpx, Cabot's and Cabot's Spheron decals $15.00

Trix
3 pack of 6000 gallon tank cars $90.00

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Jones & Laughlin tank car

Bruce Smith
 

On Thu, April 20, 2006 9:28 pm, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen
The same goes for freight cars in
various scales: the more obscure the car, the more models of
it are built.
Witness the new version of the Jones & Laughlin tank car. WHY? A dumb
looking car that never went
anywhere.
Schuyler,

On top of that, the version produced by F&C appears to mimic the mistake
made by the previous NWSL brass J&L 20,000 gallon tanks... that silver
with black lettering paint job. More than likely, it is a "builder's
paint job" done to highlight the details. The few pictures of operational
J&L tanks in this series appear to show black cars with white lettering
<G>. A paint job that make a lot more sense for its lading of coal tar.
I don't know if the model comes with those decals as well, but so far I
have seen no evidence of it.

BTW, while uncommon outside of the J&L plants,these cars did actually
traverse mainline rails, although probably only PRR and only very specific
lines.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Tim,
I can't remember where this information is but in the cobwebs of my mind certain maps had a town left out and others had an additional route line on them. Richard is probably the only one who know exactly where this data is. And I'm not really sure how the above affected the 50' cars!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Schuyler Larrabee
 

On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen
The same goes for freight cars in
various scales: the more obscure the car, the more models of
it are built.
Witness the new version of the Jones & Laughlin tank car. WHY? A dumb looking car that never went
anywhere.

SGL


Re: Intermountain USRA gondolas

Tim O'Connor
 

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton wrote

Intermountain USRA Composite Drop Bottom Gondola
Yes - Numbers [IC] 126000-128649 when delivered, but they were apparently
all off the roster or rebuilt and renumbered by about the mid forties. I
haven't looked for their later history since they were still in use in my
modelling timeframe
According to a Mainline Modeler, Dec 1986 article they received steel
side sheathing in 1949. Many may have become log cars 1000-2199. (From
the 1953 ORER, these log cars almost exactly match the gondolas.) GM&O
had USRA gondolas too.

Note that the total in the 1940 ORER is much higher than 2,650! and the
cars have been renumbered (there is no 126000 series in 1940)

series 213000-214749 | 1940: 478
series 214750-218749 | -- total combined
series 90000- 90757 | -- 1940: 3979

And it's weird that the total includes two completely different
car series.

Tim O'


FDDM&S Ry PS-1 boxcar help

leakinmywaders
 

Can anyone on the list help me out with a question about a detail on a
40 ft PS-1 boxcar that I am lettering for Fort Dodge, Des Moines &
Southern Ry series 12201-12400. Can someone with a high-resolution
photograph of one of these cars, or alternatively a Kadee HO model,
and also a good magnifying glass, or possibly just a good memory, tell
me what is lettered inside the rectangle stencil to the left of the
door? And did this stencil appear on both sides of the car?

If anyone knows offhand for a decal source for this stencil, that'd be
great(but I know unlikely). Even better, someone could comfort me with
a report that these stencils never appeared on car numbers 12xxx-xxx,
or painted out before 1969, but then we might be straying a bit out of
bounds...

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Fans apparatus for SFRD reefers

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

I am reminded that Overland used to offer the parts for the RR-27 group
that had the diagonal fitting described in an earlier posting, and
applied to the last of the RR-30 group. I purchased a package after
seeing a model Keith Jordan built of a 27. These would be fairly easy
to cobble up out of styrene. They are illustrated on two different 30's
on page 215 of the SFRD reefer book.

Bill Welch


Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Keith Jordan
 

Mr. Madden opined:

"Where is the third fleet?", which was obviously a reference to the
third group of Santa Fe 50' frozen food reefers scheduled to traverse
Sherman Hill that November.
Actually, all 100 reefers were shipped from LA to Hawaii, surreptitiously
aboard a Matson freighter to serve aboard the Enterprise as Halsey's frozen
food lockers. Hangar space was needed for the attack on the Japanese fleet
at Midway, so the cars were taken off at Pearl, where Nimitz ordered them
back to the US mainland. The Santa Fe was grateful to have served Admiral
Halsey in a time of need. In fact, the railroad was awarded the Navy "E,"
which was promptly painted on a boxcar. The photo ceremony was scheduled for
late in the evening of September 18, 1942 but the company photographer was
not allowed to use a flash due to the blackout ordered on the West Coast.
The car was destroyed the next day in a derailment near Klondike,
California, so no photographs were ever taken.

Mr. Goff asked:

Nice car. The hatch platforms, reversed hatch covers mark this car as no
later than the early 1950s. They don't show us the reverse side. Do you
suppose it will be "Ship and Travel" or one of the maps?
The hatch covers remained "reversed" for the life of the cars from the
photos I've seen. Turning the hatch covers around to lie flat was done to
those USRA style rebuilt cars further modernized in the 1950s.

The only accurate scheme for these cars, as delivered in 1940 and until
later repainted, is the Super Chief slogan with the map opposite. All 100
cars had this scheme. When they were repainted, it was likely with the Ship
and Travel scheme, since that became the standard in 1947. On p. 215 of
"Santa Fe Railway...Refrigerator Cars..." there's a nice photo of 37374 (one
of the fan cars) with the Chief/Ship and Travel slogan, painted in 1950. The
S&T slogans were the same size as the 40 foot versions, so looked more puny
on the bigger cars.

Keith Jordan


Re: Tichy trains, Walthers and Intermountain gondolas

Aidrian Bridgeman-Sutton <smokeandsteam@...>
 

From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Richard White

Are any of the following suitable for an Illinois Central prototype?
Tichy war emergency composite mill gondola (undecorated is part no
293-4041)<<

Not IC to the best of my knowledge

Intermountain USRA Composite Drop Bottom Gondola Kit (undecorated is part
no
85-41697)<<

Yes - Numbers were 126000-128649 when delivered, but they were apparently
all off the roster or rebuilt and renumbered by about the mid forties. I
haven't looked for their later history since they were still in use in my
modelling timeframe

Painting was standard for the period as far as I can tell - "ILLINOIS
CENTRAL" in Roman above the reporting marks and number with standard
presentation of capacity and dimensional data. Photos of these cars are hard
to find - I reconstructed the likely appearance from photos of half a car
sticking out behind the loco which was the subject of the photo and other
details taken from makers photos of other IC cars.

Walthers trainline 46' USRA gondola (undecorated is part no 932-7450)

Not IC to the best of my knowledge.

If you are modelling the fifties then look at the Red caboose GS gon - these
look close to IC cars delivered in the early fifties.

If not, what prototypes do they represent well?<<
That's a short question with a very long answer considering these are three
types of cars which were produced for multiple roads - I would still be
typing this time tomorrow to give a full answer, which would probably upset
the domestic authorities something horrid...

The best thing I can suggest is pay a whole $8.00 for a month's subscription
to the Rensselaer site

< http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/index.php >

Save anything you may be interested in. Their pages aren't going to tell you
everything you want to know - for example some of the USRA designs were
copied in the twenties and may not be included in their USRA rosters - and
there may be mistakes or misidentifications here and there, but these pages
are very useful if treated as a guide rather than as a bible.

Alternatively back issues of the major magazines are indexed at
http://index.mrmag.com/ and the publishers will often supply back issues or
photocopies of articles or you may be able to get copies through a library


Aidrian

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Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Tim Gilbert wrote

As per these captions, it would appear that of the images included in
http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/041806/50_ice_reefer_041806.jpg , only
the Super Chief (Athearn #94513-94515 would be correct

Yep, just as for the 65' gondola, Athearn is going to play "close enough".
For example, the Grand Canyon scheme was applied to the Rr-42's which are
similar in appearance (in the sense that the Erie-Lackawanna 65' mill gons
are similar to the Athearn model). (To model the Rr-42 one needs a metal
running board too.)

Tim O'


Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon

The original 50 foot straight line maps said "Santa Fe All The Way"
but sometime in the 1940's it changed to "Ship Santa Fe All The Way".
The Champ BRH sets have the "Ship" version of the map.

Since the Athearn announcement shows the S.F.R.D. reporting marks
(instead of S F R D) I'll guess the first run is the delivery paint
scheme with the original straight line map.

Tim O'

Athearn has announced that for the first run all cars will have the
straight line map on the other side. Now to get to the rivet counting part,
which straight line map, as I believe there were more than one.
Jon Miller


Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

George Hollwedel <georgeloop1338@...>
 

Unless a car was repainted before 1947, then only the "reweigh" date needs changing.

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@sunlink.net> wrote: As per these captions, it would appear that of the images included in
http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/041806/50_ice_reefer_041806.jpg , only
the Super Chief (Athearn #94513-94515 would be correct, and the other
schemes bogus except for running loops around the Christmas Tree.

Tim Gilbert



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Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:

Athearn has announced that for the first run all cars will have the
straight line map on the other side. Now to get to the rivet counting part,
which straight line map, as I believe there were more than one.
According to the caption to the photograph of SFRD Rr-30 #37343 on page 213 of Jordan, Hendrickson, et al.'s SFRD REFRIGERATOR CARS, all 100 of the Rr-30's "got the new SUPER CHIEF and system map stenciling." The caption to the April 1950 photograph of a repainted & restenciled #37374 which "got a later style CHIEF slogan on the left side and 'Ship and Travel...' on the right. Post-1947 slogans looked somewhat less dramatic on the fifty-foot reefers than earlier slogans because the same size stencils were used for both forty and fifty-foot cars."

As per these captions, it would appear that of the images included in http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/041806/50_ice_reefer_041806.jpg , only the Super Chief (Athearn #94513-94515 would be correct, and the other schemes bogus except for running loops around the Christmas Tree.

Tim Gilbert


Re: Search for welded-side C&NW 10'6" hi boxcars

Tim O'Connor
 

Dennis Storzek wrote

The pother possibility is that the story has been turned around
backwards. As I recall, the C&NW had some riveted cars with
Pullman's proprietary "PS-1" style ends and roof.
Dennis, as far as I know they were genuine PS-1's -- C&NW was not
the only road to order PS-1's with riveted sides. The C&O had some
different PS-1's too -- AAR underframes, but PS-1 sides ends and
roofs. I'd like to know if any of the C&NW cars did not have PS-1
style underframes.

I agree with Ed Hawkins C&NW had no welded side 40 footers other
than PS-1's, until they rebuilt some War Emergency cars and welded
the steel sheathing to the trusses. (But that's past 1960.)

Tim O'


Re: Athearn Announcemnt

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie Vlk wrote

I'm confused at what the "Roundhouse" brand is supposed to be...
shouldn't this car fall into that brandname by their definition
that it is a steam era car???
It is confusing. Some new stuff (the wood milk cars) are "Roundhouse"
and don't show on the Athearn web site. But plenty of older MDC kits
are showing up as Ready-To-Roll Athearn. But others (like the single
sheathed box cars) are still under the Roundhouse brand... Are there
quality differences between R-T-R and Roundhouse? (For example, one
with metal wheels and the other with plastic?)

Tim O'


Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Athearn has announced that for the first run all cars will have the straight line map on the other side. Now to get to the rivet counting part, which straight line map, as I believe there were more than one.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Athearn Announcemnt

Charlie Vlk
 

Apparently Athearn has not adjusted to the fact that they offer models in more than one scale (3).
Also, I'm confused at what the "Roundhouse" brand is supposed to be..... shouldn't this car fall
into that brandname by their definition that it is a steam era car??? Even the N Scale cars don't
follow that pattern.....
Charlie Vlk

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