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Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

There were 4 different maps over time, according to the SFMO<
I know at least two different curved maps but that doesn't help for the reefer. Without a drawing/picture of the Athearn paint scheme there is nothing to compare to yet!
Page 214 of the reefer book shows an Rr-30 and page 216 has a good shot of an Rr-31, the maps appear to be the same so if the Athearn car matches those it's probably right. I always say probably because car number xxxxxx might have been different<VBG>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Jones & Laughlin tank car

bobbypitts44 <bobbypitts44@...>
 

Excuse me, but because one person thinks the car is "dumb looking"
does that mean that I'm stupid because I happen to like the car
alot? Bobby Pitts

On Thu, April 20, 2006 9:28 pm, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen
The same goes for freight cars in
various scales: the more obscure the car, the more models of
it are built.
Witness the new version of the Jones & Laughlin tank car. WHY?
A dumb
looking car that never went
anywhere.
Schuyler,

On top of that, the version produced by F&C appears to mimic the
mistake
made by the previous NWSL brass J&L 20,000 gallon tanks... that
silver
with black lettering paint job. More than likely, it is
a "builder's
paint job" done to highlight the details. The few pictures of
operational
J&L tanks in this series appear to show black cars with white
lettering
<G>. A paint job that make a lot more sense for its lading of coal
tar.
I don't know if the model comes with those decals as well, but so
far I
have seen no evidence of it.

BTW, while uncommon outside of the J&L plants,these cars did
actually
traverse mainline rails, although probably only PRR and only very
specific
lines.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


1946 CBC on eBay

Andy Carlson
 

On eBay currently is a far below mint (Distressed) copy of a 1946 edition of the Car builders Cyclopedia. eBay # 6623670122 I do not know the seller.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA


Re: What trucktype are these?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mr. Hendrickson has provided me a photo af an UTLX tank car with 2
different truck types.
What types are they exactly?
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/view/7cf9?b=1
The upper one looks like a Vulcan, the lower one is the ARA Type Y truck widely used on tank cars. Both have spring planks, which most model trucks do not.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: FDDM&S Ry PS-1 boxcar help

leakinmywaders
 

Ed: Super, thank you! Now I've got a little sleuthing to do to find
a decal. Best regards,

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT --- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


Chris,
The information inside the rectangle specifies "THIS CAR IS EQUIPPED
WITH A NAILABLE STEEL FLOOR" on the top line. Below that is a graphic
showing the cross section of a nailable steel floor....


What trucktype are these?

Arnold van Heyst
 

Mr. Hendrickson has provided me a photo af an UTLX tank car with 2
different truck types.
What types are they exactly?
http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/view/7cf9?b=1
And who is manufacture them?
Or know a good replacement?

Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Scott Pitzer
 

Yeah, I was going to say "It looks great in Culotta Gray..."
Scott Pitzer

-----Original Message-----
From: Schuyler Larrabee <schuyler.larrabee@...>
Sent: Apr 20, 2006 7:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn




Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...> wrote: BTW, you can
zoom in on the model image a lot easier with the pdf link
version that Andy supplied. It looks pretty sweet.
I'm impressed. Looks as good as one of Ted C's models!

SGL




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Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Gene Green <bierglaeser@...>
 

Price looks pretty good, too.
Gene Green

- In STMFC@..., Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...> wrote:

For those who haven't seen it yet, this is from today's
online "Athearn
News":

HO 50' Santa Fe Ice Reefer (Now THIS is the BIG NEWS of this group
of
announcements. We're glad that you got this far. This is ALL NEW
TOOLING, and is a model of a car that has never, EVER been available
in plastic before! The detailing is absolutely exquisite!)
http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/041806/50_ice_reefer_041806.jpg
http://www.athearn.com/Newsletter/041806/50_ice_reefer_041806.pdf


So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@...
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-11142




From: Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 05:09:01 -0400
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn -
Wheel Report
sighting

Mike Brock wrote:

Keith Jordan writes:

I'm excited that Athearn did this, because it could be a
harbinger
of future projects based on "minor" prototypes.
Hmmm. Tongue firmly in cheek...smiling....If one applies the Dave
Nelson/Tim
Gilbert "probability of occurrence" to these cars, one MIGHT be
allowed one
tenth of a car to be on the layout during a month of operating
sessions.
OTOH, if one were to...for some reason...model say two days [ as
in
May 14
and May 15, 1954 ] AND had proof that 4 of the Rr-30 reefers
were in one
train on one of those days in the area modeled...Bingo!...one
could
run 4 of
them. No idea what to do about modeling and running the other
2400 or so
cars active on those days in the area of the RR modeled. Not my
problem.

SFRD Rr-30 Reefer #37328 was loaded with Bananas northbound on
the SOU
between Monroe VA and Pot Yard on September 27th, 1946, but, alas,
#37328 was not equipped with a Preco Floor circulating device.
#37328
was part of a forty three car Banana block consisting of 14
reefers
owned by the FGEX/BREX/WFEX group; 11 by PFE; 7 by MDT; 4 by
SFRD; 3 by
ART; 2 by URTX; one by the NP; and one indecipherable. This is
the only
reporting of a RR-30 in all of my parsings of sundry wheel
reports.

Tim Gilbert




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Re: SFRD 50 foot reefer

Tim O'Connor
 

Jon

There were 4 different maps over time, according to the SFMO.
Tom Madden is someone who probably knows the answer as well as
Andy Sperandeo or Keith Jordan or Charlie Slater [sic?] (the
guy who does awesome ATSF masters for Sunshine). And of course
it's written down in the SFMO books.

At 10:32 PM 4/20/2006, you wrote:
Tim,
I can't remember where this information is but in the cobwebs of my mind
certain maps had a town left out and others had an additional route line on
them. Richard is probably the only one who know exactly where this data is.
And I'm not really sure how the above affected the 50' cars!

Jon Miller


Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler

I asked Ms. Camerlengo about that at Springfield, and she said they
had found photos showing the car hundreds of miles from Pittsburgh in
the 1940's. So if that's true it did travel around. But you're right
almost no one ever saw one.

But why dumb? It's a closed cylinder with wheels, what else can it be?

On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen
The same goes for freight cars in
various scales: the more obscure the car, the more models of
it are built.
Witness the new version of the Jones & Laughlin tank car. WHY? A dumb looking car that never went
anywhere.

SGL


Re: Jones & Laughlin tank car

Bruce Smith
 

On Thu, April 20, 2006 9:47 pm, Anthony Thompson wrote:

Aw, heck, Bruce, can't you just put the decals into Photoshop and
invert the image?
If I had an Alps printer that is precisely what I would do... if I bought
the model <G>

Regards
Bruce

Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL


SFRD 50 Ft Reefer Recap

Keith Jordan
 

Just so everyone's on the same page, here's a recap of some of the features
of the Santa Fe's 50 reefers:

Class Rr-10, 100 cars built 1931 PLMN, 50ft. 7in., Duryea u/f, KD brakes,
steel frame, wood sheathing sides/end, Murphy roof w/o raised panels, last
two cars recessed Dreadnaught ends. Dalman trucks. Paint yellow orange
sides/ends, black u/f, hardware, trucks, roof and steel ends. No slogans.

Class Rr-17, 10 cars from Rr-10 rebuilt 1936 with superinsulation for frozen
juice service. Same paint as Rr-10.

Class Rr-22, 200 cars built 1937 GATC, 50-6, Duryea u/f, AB brakes,
all-steel, recessed Dreadnaught ends, Murphy roof with raised panels. ASF
spring plankless trucks. Same paint as Rr-10, sides/ends yellow-orange. No
slogans.

Class Rr-26, 10 cars from Rr-10 rebuilt 1939 with superinsulation for frozen
food service. Same paint as Rr-22 (assumed, no confirming pictures)

Class Rr-30, 100 cars built 1940 GATC, 50-2, Duryea u/f, AB brakes,
all-steel, w-post Dreadnaught ends, Murphy roof with raised panels. National
type B-1 trucks. Last 25 cars Preco F-1 fans. Superinsulated for frozen food
service. Paint yellow/orange sides, black u/f, hardware, trucks, roof and
ends. All Super Chief 50 foot slogan with "style 3" map, which said "Santa
Fe All the Way" with no "Ship."

Class Rr-31, 50 cars built 1940 GATC, 52-4 (longer length for larger
bunkers), Duryea u/f AB brakes, all steel, w-post Dreadnaught ends, Murphy
roof with raised panels. National type B-1 trucks. 25 cars Preco F-2 fans.
Superinsulated for frozen food service. Paint same as Rr-30 except all Chief
slogans.

Class Rr-37, 75 cars rebuilt from Rr-10, 1945. AB brakes. New Murphy raised
panel roof, retained wood running boards and hatch platforms. Dalman one
level trucks. Superinsulated for frozen food service. Paint same as Rr-30,
31, all Chief slogan with style 4 map ("Ship" added).

Class Rr-42, 50 cars rebuilt from Rr-22, 1946. AB brakes. ASF A-3 trucks.
Morton running board and hatch platforms. Superinsulated for frozen food
service. Paint same as Rr-37, except all Grand Canyon Line, style 4 map.

There were three kinds of Duryea underframes used: Rr-10s and subsequent
rebuilds had plate-style crossbearers (similar to ARA/AAR u/f crossbearers,
essentially I-beams in cross section) and torque arms, Rr-22s and subsequent
rebuilds had angle and z-bar crossbearers and torque arms. Rr-30 and Rr-31
had plate-style crossbearers and torque arms, much deeper than the ones on
the Rr-10s.

As the cars were repainted, they got the 1947 and later Ship and Travel
Santa Fe/slogans, which were applied randomly and were the smaller, 40 foot
version (requiring only one size of stencil).

Many cars lasted late in company ice service, with little or no changes in
lettering, but renumbered.

Whew! For other variations and the rest of the story, see the Santa Fe
Reefer Book from the SFRHMS. I hope this helps.

Keith Jordan


Re: Jones & Laughlin tank car

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

can't you just put the decals into Photoshop and
invert the image?<
And as soon as someone contracts for a few hundred pounds of white laser toner we are set<VBG>.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: FW: New decal announcement... Pre and post 1960

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Yes, but he will do other scales on request of a sufficient number of people (or sets, I suppose).
There have been requests for O and N, though I don't know if they've been sufficient to pull the
trigger.

SGL

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of David Smith
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 2:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] FW: New decal announcement... Pre and post 1960

Nowhere on his site does it say what scale(s) these are in.
Am I correct that these are in the default scale (HO)?

Dave Smith

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On
Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2006 4:15 PM
To: STMFC@...; freightcars@...
Subject: [STMFC] FW: New decal announcement... Pre and post 1960



Sorry for cross-posting and to those who will get this twice.

Paul's website is
http://www.primemoverdecals.com/










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Re: Jones & Laughlin tank car

Roger Parry <uncleroger@...>
 

When F&C attended the train show in Saline Michigan, I asked why they did the J&L Tank. The reply was "because he liked the car"

On Apr 20, 2006, at 10:42 PM, Bruce Smith wrote:

On Thu, April 20, 2006 9:28 pm, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen
The same goes for freight cars in
various scales: the more obscure the car, the more models of
it are built.
Witness the new version of the Jones & Laughlin tank car. WHY? A dumb
looking car that never went
anywhere.
Schuyler,

On top of that, the version produced by F&C appears to mimic the mistake
made by the previous NWSL brass J&L 20,000 gallon tanks... that silver
with black lettering paint job. More than likely, it is a "builder's
paint job" done to highlight the details. The few pictures of operational
J&L tanks in this series appear to show black cars with white lettering
<G>. A paint job that make a lot more sense for its lading of coal tar.
I don't know if the model comes with those decals as well, but so far I
have seen no evidence of it.

BTW, while uncommon outside of the J&L plants,these cars did actually
traverse mainline rails, although probably only PRR and only very specific
lines.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




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Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

Schuyler Larrabee
 


Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...> wrote: BTW, you can
zoom in on the model image a lot easier with the pdf link
version that Andy supplied. It looks pretty sweet.
I'm impressed. Looks as good as one of Ted C's models!

SGL


Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn

charles slater
 

Saves ME a lot of work in the future.
Charlie Slater

From: "Miller, Andrew S." <asmiller@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: SFRD Rr-30 Class Reefers From Athearn
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:39:14 -0400

We have a winner!

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Ian Cranstone


On 20-Apr-06, at 9:42 AM, Miller, Andrew S. wrote:

What was the pad on the front of that famous message?
As I recall, the message read: "Turkey trots to water. Where is Task
Force 34? The whole world wonders".


Re: Jones & Laughlin tank car

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bruce Smith wrote:
On top of that, the version produced by F&C appears to mimic the mistake
made by the previous NWSL brass J&L 20,000 gallon tanks... that silver
with black lettering paint job. More than likely, it is a "builder's
paint job" done to highlight the details. The few pictures of operational
J&L tanks in this series appear to show black cars with white lettering
<G>. A paint job that make a lot more sense for its lading of coal tar.
I don't know if the model comes with those decals as well, but so far I
have seen no evidence of it.
Aw, heck, Bruce, can't you just put the decals into Photoshop and invert the image?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


HO Scale for sale items

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I'm doing a little spring cleaning wanted to offer some of my extra
equipment here first.

If interested in any items please contact me off list. Shipping will need to
be added to all items usually $4.05 for Priority Mail but negotiable
depending on items purchased and shipping method.

P2k
CNW Single Deck Mather Stock car, 36513 built up stock kit $5.00
B&O Single Deck Mather Stock Car, 112117, kit, missing trucks $7.00

IM
40' PS-1 PRR kit car number 47010 $10.00
40' 1937 AAR M&StL kit, car number 54618, $12.00 This was the newer "red"
kit produced last year.

Kadee PS-2 Central of Georgia 1475, $30.00

IMWX 40' 1937 AAR C&EI w/ Viking Roof, 64154, (this is a Des Plaines Hobbies
Kit) Built up, original 1930's scheme with the black door. $15.00

Athearn PS2893, Monon 4408 $15.00

F&C
LV Wrong Way Dr Box Rev. Murphy Ends, Zenith Roof, 5 Panel Superior door, AB
Brakes. $15.00
Carbon Black Hopper Shpx, Cabot's and Cabot's Spheron decals $15.00

Trix
3 pack of 6000 gallon tank cars $90.00

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Jones & Laughlin tank car

Bruce Smith
 

On Thu, April 20, 2006 9:28 pm, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
On Behalf Of Thomas M. Olsen
The same goes for freight cars in
various scales: the more obscure the car, the more models of
it are built.
Witness the new version of the Jones & Laughlin tank car. WHY? A dumb
looking car that never went
anywhere.
Schuyler,

On top of that, the version produced by F&C appears to mimic the mistake
made by the previous NWSL brass J&L 20,000 gallon tanks... that silver
with black lettering paint job. More than likely, it is a "builder's
paint job" done to highlight the details. The few pictures of operational
J&L tanks in this series appear to show black cars with white lettering
<G>. A paint job that make a lot more sense for its lading of coal tar.
I don't know if the model comes with those decals as well, but so far I
have seen no evidence of it.

BTW, while uncommon outside of the J&L plants,these cars did actually
traverse mainline rails, although probably only PRR and only very specific
lines.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

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