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Re: Paint scheme changes

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Ron Morse wrote:

In the way back time machine there was about a half page each month in
Trains magazne of the current paint and lettering schemes of the major
railroads,1940's. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do with
todays computers, to do it again, in color.
That was in Model Railroader, not Trains, and the information was
provided by the railroads. And, of course, what list members want
isn't current P/L data but historical information, especially on when
things changed. Providing it for any single RR usually requires a lot
of research; providing it for all RRs, or at least all of the major
ones, would be a massive and very time-consuming undertaking. I've
already done it for the Santa Fe in a monograph that's available from
the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, and others on the
list have done it in one form or another for the RRs they know best,
but I don't know anyone who would be willing to compile it for all the
RRs. Any volunteers?

Richard Hendrickson


CRIP reefers

ed_mines
 

My recollection is that drawings and builders photos of the Rock
Island reefers offered by Prototype Modeler appeared in the 1931 CBC
and Trainshed reprints.

The drawings are so close to the PFE cars that I wouldn't be surprised
if the kit wasn't the same.

Ed Mines


Re: List Celebrities

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Another notable list member Chet French was in town last week for >
an impromptu book signing session.
I need to be serious and explain. There is a Jim Boyd book on the I C
that features Chet in photos and writing. One of my friends brought
his copy to my B-Day party for Chet to sign.

Mike Moore and I showed Chet the remaining Steam era freight cars and
Railroad here in town. I think Chet only got a picture of a Milwaukee
rebuilt 40' composite gon?

Clark Propst


Re: Dalman two level trucks

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Brian,

Nothing comes easy in life. When you have the finished product ready for the modelers on this list, please let us know. Thanks for hanging in there !!

Fred Freitas

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@elnet.com> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

After that work, all mold parts have to go out to a heat treater for
hardening. Turn around time is about a week
This process involves putting the parts in an oven. Life is always
interesting when parts come back from heat treating, as I can expect
dimensions to change, surfaces to bulge out or sink in, and longer
pieces to
curve like a banana and/or twist like a pretzel, and everything must be
ground back to workable sizes.
Then I can start producing the trucks!
Yaeh! Someone else who sees the value in hard tooing so the parts
don't turn to crap befiore the initial run is finished.

Good luck Brian.










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Re: Paint Scheme Changes

Mitchell Mercante
 

Jim,

The NEB&W Guides for Steam Era Freight Car Modeling by John Nehrich contains a wealth of information on paint schemes and includes reproductions of many photographs of freight cars. Both the well known as well as many obscure roads are included. The last time I looked, there were three guides available and one covering scenery, structures and details. All are well worth the money and may still be available through the Rensselaer modelers' group.

Mitch Mercante

Jim Betz <jimbetz@jimbetz.com> wrote:
Has any one ever done a book/document/list of the changes to
paint schemes that covers the major railroads? I know my RRs.
But when it comes to an RR that I don't know I don't know what
years what paint schemes happened.

For instance ... what year did Pennsy introduce the Shadow
Keystone? No, I'm not interested in an answer to just that
one question - well, actually I am - but the point is that it
is an example of how paint schemes changed over the years.
Why do I want to know? I'm in the process of selecting freight cars
to take to a run that has a cut off date of 1949. And I know enough to
not rely upon the data that is on the car ... even if the built date is
correct the paint scheme is often from a much later period.

So how's a fella supposed to know?








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Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Steve,
I contacted Microscale @ the old MRIA show about the minicals. They said it was a proprietary set and I would have to contact the folks at Taurus.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve and Barb Hile
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com ; ritslist@storm.simpson.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Hi Rob,

I seems like these cars were discussed, at some point in the distant past. Someone with better searching techniques in the STMFC archives will probably point out where.

These cars were the subject of an old wood "craftsman" kit first from Prototype Modeler and then from Taurus. The decals came, I believe, from Microscale. Perhaps they can still reproduce the set as a Mini-Cal. There will also a similar set from Walthers in the dark ages, not as "correct" as the ones from the kit.

Today, the Red Caboose R-30-12 kit could make a decent starting point for a kitbash.

As best as we can tell, the cars had yellow sides and brown ends. I don't have the Mainline Modeler issue, so I can't be sure exactly what information is there.

As I recall the story, the RI sold their refrigerator fleet back(both freight and express) to General American during the depression. The cars kept their RI numbers, but change reporting marks to GARX. I have a Hopkins photo of one in Washington DC in the 40's.

A few of these wanderers actually came home to the RI in the 50's, being purchased for ice service. If you want some more details on this, contact me off list, and I will look up the details.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Adams
To: Steam Freight Cars Group ; ritslist@storm.simpson.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island
refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of
Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering colors?

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Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net

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Re: Dalman two level trucks

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

After that work, all mold parts have to go out to a heat treater for
hardening. Turn around time is about a week
This process involves putting the parts in an oven. Life is always
interesting when parts come back from heat treating, as I can expect
dimensions to change, surfaces to bulge out or sink in, and longer
pieces to
curve like a banana and/or twist like a pretzel, and everything must be
ground back to workable sizes.
Then I can start producing the trucks!
Yaeh! Someone else who sees the value in hard tooing so the parts
don't turn to crap befiore the initial run is finished.

Good luck Brian.


Paint scheme changes

Ron Morse <ronstrainshop@...>
 

In the way back time machine there was about a half page each month in
Trains magazne of the current paint and lettering schemes of the major
railroads,1940's. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do with
todays computers, to do it again, in color.
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O O scale in Springfield,MO


Re: Paint Scheme Changes

oliver
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, tgregmrtn@... wrote:
Jim writes:
"Has any one ever done a book/document/list of the changes to paint
schemes
that covers the major railroads? I know my RRs. But when it comes
to an RR
that I don't know I don't know what years what paint schemes happened.
For instance ... what year did Pennsy introduce the Shadow Keystone?
Now there is a thought for a quick, basic, entry level article.
Perhaps someone at MR could do it in two pages since they seem to
mainly focus on simple, not very in-depth articles for "beginners"
these days;-)

All kidding aside...although a good idea, I suspect it hasn't been
done because it would quickly become a major treatise, no? I can't
even keep track of what happened on my beloved SP over the years!

BTW, to stay on topic it was 1954 for the Pennsy shadow Keystone.
Check out this great site:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PaintingInstructions.html
and check out the "The Keystone Modeller(TKM)" magazine for good info.
cheers
Stefan Lerche
Duncan, BC


Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

armprem
 

Just how accurate was the lettering on the old Silver Streak
model?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Adams" <steamera@netins.net>
To: "Steam Freight Cars Group" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>;
<ritslist@storm.simpson.edu>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island
refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of
Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering
colors?

Definitely a neat car. I don't know a lot about their history, but
they were still listed on the roster in a 1937 ORER. I'd like to add
one to my roster at some point.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

--
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Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch,
and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>





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Re: Dalman two level trucks

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jon,
Thank you for your interest in the Dalman trucks. The new CNC mill arrived in January and since then the tooling for the sideframes has been completed. I finished the brakeshoes part Friday. These are similar to Kadee's offerings--they clip onto the truck bolsters and locate the brakeshoes where they should be.
This Monday the bolster height will be lowered as per Dennis Storzek's advice on this list on Nov. 9th. Then the four mold parts that form the cone shaped axle holes have to be remade to accommodate the axle length for Branchline's wheelsets.
After that work, all mold parts have to go out to a heat treater for hardening. Turn around time is about a week
This process involves putting the parts in an oven. Life is always interesting when parts come back from heat treating, as I can expect dimensions to change, surfaces to bulge out or sink in, and longer pieces to curve like a banana and/or twist like a pretzel, and everything must be ground back to workable sizes.
Then I can start producing the trucks!

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Dalman two level trucks


The last data I have seems to be from Nov. of last year. It was from
Brian Leppert and apparently he is waiting for a new CNC machine. He states
3 months so I figure it's time to query for an update on these trucks. Did
Brian get his machine and is tooling complete or still in progress?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


San Francisco Bay Area RPM event - April 30, 2006

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

You are invited to attend the 3rd annual Bay Area Prototype Modelers (BAPM)
event on Sunday, April 30, 2006, from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM at the Marriott Hotel in Fremont, California.

Tickets are available at the door for same-day walk-in registration!
Admission is only $20, or just $18 if you bring at least one model to
display.

This Railroad Prototype Modeler (RPM) event is open to model railroaders of
all roads, scales, and eras. Finished models, along with those still
in-progress, are encouraged and welcome for display.

BAPM 2006 features:
* More than 3,700 sq. ft. of display space... over 3x last year's!
* Hundreds of detailed models on display
* Four in-depth clinics (see schedule below)
* Free-mo modular layout display (to learn more about Free-mo visit
http://www.free-mo.org/)
* Manufacturers on-site with displays and merchandise for sale
* Raffle for great prizes from Major Model Railroad Manufacturers and local
hobby shops (see website for sponsors list)

Clinic schedule:
11:30 - 12:00 -- "Flares": Modeling SP's EMD SD45s, by Elizabeth Allen
12:00 - 1:30 -- Lunch break
1:30 - 2:00 -- Modeling Western Pacific Covered Hoppers, by Thom Anderson
2:15 - 3:00 -- Pennsy Modeling without Brain Damage, by Tony Thompson
3:15 - 4:00 -- Building Urethane Resin Kits, by Gene Fusco, Rail Yard Models

When: Sunday, April 30, 2006
10:00 AM - 5:00 PM

Where: Fremont Marriott Hotel
46100 Landing Parkway
Fremont CA 94538
Phone: (510) 413-3700
http://www.fremontmarriott.com

Visit our BAPM website to download the official flyer
http://www.bayareaprototypemodelers.org
http://bayareaprototypemodelers.org/bapm06flyer.pdf


Rob Sarberenyi
espeef5@pacbell.net


Re: Paint Scheme Changes

Greg Martin
 

Jim writes:

"Has any one ever done a book/document/list of the changes to paint schemes
that covers the major railroads? I know my RRs. But when it comes to an RR
that I don't know I don't know what years what paint schemes happened.

For instance ... what year did Pennsy introduce the Shadow Keystone? No,
I'm not interested in an answer to just that one question - well, actually I am
- but the point is that it is an example of how paint schemes changed over
the years. Why do I want to know? I'm in the process of selecting freight
cars to take to a run that has a cut off date of 1949. And I know enough to
not rely upon the data that is on the car ... even if the built date is
correct the paint scheme is often from a much later period.

So how's a fella supposed to know?"


The quick answer is that the Shadow keystone was adopted in (Feb) 1st
quarter of 1954, and was changed slightly later (July) that year (numeral style
change). There has been outlines of this subjects in The Keystone Modeler
Magazine (online free magazine). But we are glad to help even if you don't read
TKM.


Greg Martin


Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

Rob Adams
 

Steve and Richard;

Thanks very much for the information. I had done a search of the Steam Freight car messages in my several years of archives, but didn't turn up anything. I'll give it another try.

The Mainline Modeler article consists of 5 very nice builders photos of the 67750-67999 series cars from Philip Weibler's collection, and O-scale drawings done by Bob Hundman, presumably from the photos. There are 4 brief paragraphs of text, but that's it. Unfortunately, almost no information on the cars. The Taurus kit is mentioned in the MM article, but I was thinking of either the Tichy PFE kit or the Red Caboose kit as starting points for my own use.

I have a late 30's photo (at least 1936 based on visible reweigh stencils) taken in the Detroit area that shows a Rock Island reefer in a train, but most of the car is obscured, so I can't begin to tell what its number is, nor whether it has RI reporting marks. Only the Rock Island road name and herald are visible, along with the roof. I model the late 1930's and would like to include a RI car on my roster at some point, hence the reason for my inquiry.

The comments about the cars going back to General American made me drag out my July 1937 ORER again, because I distinctly recalled there being a couple hundred or so "Freight" reefers listed in the CRI&P section. Sure enough there are, 200 cars, but in the 65000-65199 series. Can anyone shed light on this series of cars?

Thanks again.

Best regards, Rob Adams


Steve and Barb Hile wrote:

Hi Rob,

I seems like these cars were discussed, at some point in the distant past. Someone with better searching techniques in the STMFC archives will probably point out where.

These cars were the subject of an old wood "craftsman" kit first from Prototype Modeler and then from Taurus. The decals came, I believe, from Microscale. Perhaps they can still reproduce the set as a Mini-Cal. There will also a similar set from Walthers in the dark ages, not as "correct" as the ones from the kit.

Today, the Red Caboose R-30-12 kit could make a decent starting point for a kitbash.

As best as we can tell, the cars had yellow sides and brown ends. I don't have the Mainline Modeler issue, so I can't be sure exactly what information is there.

As I recall the story, the RI sold their refrigerator fleet back(both freight and express) to General American during the depression. The cars kept their RI numbers, but change reporting marks to GARX. I have a Hopkins photo of one in Washington DC in the 40's.

A few of these wanderers actually came home to the RI in the 50's, being purchased for ice service. If you want some more details on this, contact me off list, and I will look up the details.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Steve Hile
--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch, and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Hi Rob,

I seems like these cars were discussed, at some point in the distant past. Someone with better searching techniques in the STMFC archives will probably point out where.

These cars were the subject of an old wood "craftsman" kit first from Prototype Modeler and then from Taurus. The decals came, I believe, from Microscale. Perhaps they can still reproduce the set as a Mini-Cal. There will also a similar set from Walthers in the dark ages, not as "correct" as the ones from the kit.

Today, the Red Caboose R-30-12 kit could make a decent starting point for a kitbash.

As best as we can tell, the cars had yellow sides and brown ends. I don't have the Mainline Modeler issue, so I can't be sure exactly what information is there.

As I recall the story, the RI sold their refrigerator fleet back(both freight and express) to General American during the depression. The cars kept their RI numbers, but change reporting marks to GARX. I have a Hopkins photo of one in Washington DC in the 40's.

A few of these wanderers actually came home to the RI in the 50's, being purchased for ice service. If you want some more details on this, contact me off list, and I will look up the details.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Adams
To: Steam Freight Cars Group ; ritslist@storm.simpson.edu
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island
refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of
Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering colors?

snip
--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net

snip


Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 29, 2006, at 8:51 PM, Rob Adams wrote:

Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island
refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of
Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering colors?

Definitely a neat car. I don't know a lot about their history, but
they were still listed on the roster in a 1937 ORER. I'd like to add
one to my roster at some point.
Rob, these cars have been discussed previously on the list; when the Rock Island went into receivership during the depression, General American repossessed the reefers and leased them back to the RI under GATX reporting marks. I have photos showing them in that form. Their numbers gradually diminished in the late 1930s and 1940s and relatively few were still in service after WW II.

Richard Hendrickson


Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

Rob Adams
 

Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering colors?

Definitely a neat car. I don't know a lot about their history, but they were still listed on the roster in a 1937 ORER. I'd like to add one to my roster at some point.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch, and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Paint Scheme Changes

Jim Betz
 

Has any one ever done a book/document/list of the changes to
paint schemes that covers the major railroads? I know my RRs.
But when it comes to an RR that I don't know I don't know what
years what paint schemes happened.

For instance ... what year did Pennsy introduce the Shadow
Keystone? No, I'm not interested in an answer to just that
one question - well, actually I am - but the point is that it
is an example of how paint schemes changed over the years.
Why do I want to know? I'm in the process of selecting freight cars
to take to a run that has a cut off date of 1949. And I know enough to
not rely upon the data that is on the car ... even if the built date is
correct the paint scheme is often from a much later period.

So how's a fella supposed to know?


AAR 50 ton flat car loads.

Arnold van Heyst
 

Sirs,

I've just finished some AAR 50 ton flat cars for the Union Pacific.
What is the most common car load for this U.P. F-50-11 class?
I prefer to have some photo's of that.

Regards,
Arnold van Heyst
Netherlands.


List Celebrities

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Last May the Mayor of Mason City Iowa presented fellow list member
Gene Green with a special award for his effort in the restoration of
an M&StL steam engine located in a local park. Last week the City
mailed their yearly news letter to all residents. There was a picture
of Gene and a paragraph about his award.

Another notable list member Chet French was in town last week for an
impromptu book signing session. Those present were amazed to learn
that Chet is in at least one prototype photo in every railroad picture
book ever published. Some claim there were railroad photos taken
before started Chet hiring on with the railroads, but that's just
conjecture. I shouldn't kid about Chet too much, he'll want the
birthday present he brought me back. Was good to see you Chet.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa

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