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Re: Santa Fe tank cars

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:

Would you include the Pecos River brass cars? They are very nice
though hard to find.
Indeed, and expensive when you do. A factory painted PRB Tk-M, no box,
went for $200 today on eBay.

Tom Madden


Re: Santa Fe tank cars

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

bobpsych (not signing his name) wrote:
While the model freight car industry has certainly started producing
more prototypical freight cars in plastic, I am not aware of any
Santa Fe prototype tank cars for the transition era. Does anyone know
of any; or if not dead on, pretty close?
Would you include the Pecos River brass cars? They are very nice though hard to find.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Santa Fe tank cars

bobpsych <bobpsych@...>
 

While the model freight car industry has certainly started producing
more prototypical freight cars in plastic, I am not aware of any
Santa Fe prototype tank cars for the transition era. Does anyone know
of any; or if not dead on, pretty close?
Thanks in advance for any leads.
bob


Re: Paint scheme changes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Providing it for any single RR usually requires a lot
of research; providing it for all RRs, or at least all of the major
ones, would be a massive and very time-consuming undertaking. I've
already done it for the Santa Fe in a monograph that's available from
the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, and others on the
list have done it in one form or another for the RRs they know best,
but I don't know anyone who would be willing to compile it for all the
RRs. Any volunteers?
I tend to agree with Richard. Although his excellent Santa Fe painting and lettering guide is more than most non-ATSF modelers want to know, the size of that document is symptomatic of the amount of research and writing needed to collect all these data. The same would be true for any railroad (well, maybe not the W&LE) for a complete presentation. That said, an abbreviated guide would be less demanding, though of course requiring much of the same research to obtain the factual basis. Maybe we could collect the abbreviated guides into a "Dummies" series <g> or something equivalent.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Paint scheme index

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Frederick Freitas wrote:
"Guess a line item list was a passing thought compared to some of the
other lengthy suggestions, yet I thought I would offer the thought. It
would fill a knowledge void in my literature on the 20's to the 50's.
Any suggestions on research sources greatfully accepted."

There is such a list on the pay side of the RPI website:
http://railroad.union.rpi.edu/freight-cars.php

Log in and look for "Major Freight Car Paint Schemes" and "96.1 Paint
Schemes (More detailed info.)", then click on the letter for the
railroad of interest.


Ben Hom


Paint scheme index

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

List,

While I may have read the question too simply, I don't think the author had in mind a 10 volume set of drawings / logos / slogans/ colors/ and oddities. An index should be a list that the modeler uses to RESEARCH the correct information. I know, some of us like everything in a tidy book on the shelf. Truth is it never happens that way.
May I cite a for instance: The PRR started with no circle, then went to the circle, then shadow lined keystone, and finally the plain keystone. A simple effective date of the changes is all you need to find the correctly painted car, and work from there. Me, I would like to know when the L&N switched from "Old Reliable" to "Dixie Line", helps keep the modeling in my respective era of 1953. Since I am not expert on every RR, a simple list would be worthy candidate to purchase for the backshop.
Guess a line item list was a passing thought compared to some of the other lengthy suggestions, yet I thought I would offer the thought. It would fill a knowledge void in my literature on the 20's to the 50's. Any suggestions on research sources greatfully accepted.

Fred Freitas
Bennington, Vt


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Re: Paint scheme changes

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On May 1, 12:31pm, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Paint scheme changes
On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Ron Morse wrote:
I've
already done it for the Santa Fe in a monograph that's available from
the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, and others on the
list have done it in one form or another for the RRs they know best,
Richard Hendrickson

There was an article on Union Pacific box car and auto car lettering in
one of the early issues of The Streamliner. I believe, Richard, that the
author is familiar to you.

Regards,

-Jeff



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Re: Paint scheme changes

Charlie Vlk
 

Ron-
You are right, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do with today's computers.....but it is.
The computer certainly makes the work go faster than doing it in pen and ink on Strathmore board
(especially correcting mistakes!!!).
An accurate painting and lettering artwork for any given piece of equipment (say a 1940's steam
era boxcar, just to stay on topic, for example) might take a day's work or more if one has good photos and
all the required information at hand. If there is a complicated, multi-colored herald that has to be
drawn from scratch that alone might take the better part of a day to render. Usually most if not all
of the lettering has to be developed from scratch,,,,if you want it to be accurate...even if you have a
correct custom typeface there are all sorts of variations, and unless you get copies of the actual
shop stencil drawings the Mechanical Department L&P drawings are usually only approximations
or cartoons of where the lettering is to be applied so often you are working from photos.
And all that is assuming (a doubtful premise) that you have an accurate base drawing that represents the
class or lot of car, Add a few more days to do a set of sides, ends, roof and underbody views for the car, again having all the research drawings and photos on hand.
Believe me, I'm not picking on you .... some people running model companies don't understand what goes into making accurate models either!!!
Charlie Vlk
Railroad Model Resources


Re: Paint scheme changes

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 30, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Ron Morse wrote:

In the way back time machine there was about a half page each month in
Trains magazne of the current paint and lettering schemes of the major
railroads,1940's. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do with
todays computers, to do it again, in color.
That was in Model Railroader, not Trains, and the information was
provided by the railroads. And, of course, what list members want
isn't current P/L data but historical information, especially on when
things changed. Providing it for any single RR usually requires a lot
of research; providing it for all RRs, or at least all of the major
ones, would be a massive and very time-consuming undertaking. I've
already done it for the Santa Fe in a monograph that's available from
the Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society, and others on the
list have done it in one form or another for the RRs they know best,
but I don't know anyone who would be willing to compile it for all the
RRs. Any volunteers?

Richard Hendrickson


CRIP reefers

ed_mines
 

My recollection is that drawings and builders photos of the Rock
Island reefers offered by Prototype Modeler appeared in the 1931 CBC
and Trainshed reprints.

The drawings are so close to the PFE cars that I wouldn't be surprised
if the kit wasn't the same.

Ed Mines


Re: List Celebrities

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Another notable list member Chet French was in town last week for >
an impromptu book signing session.
I need to be serious and explain. There is a Jim Boyd book on the I C
that features Chet in photos and writing. One of my friends brought
his copy to my B-Day party for Chet to sign.

Mike Moore and I showed Chet the remaining Steam era freight cars and
Railroad here in town. I think Chet only got a picture of a Milwaukee
rebuilt 40' composite gon?

Clark Propst


Re: Dalman two level trucks

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Brian,

Nothing comes easy in life. When you have the finished product ready for the modelers on this list, please let us know. Thanks for hanging in there !!

Fred Freitas

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

After that work, all mold parts have to go out to a heat treater for
hardening. Turn around time is about a week
This process involves putting the parts in an oven. Life is always
interesting when parts come back from heat treating, as I can expect
dimensions to change, surfaces to bulge out or sink in, and longer
pieces to
curve like a banana and/or twist like a pretzel, and everything must be
ground back to workable sizes.
Then I can start producing the trucks!
Yaeh! Someone else who sees the value in hard tooing so the parts
don't turn to crap befiore the initial run is finished.

Good luck Brian.










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Re: Paint Scheme Changes

Mitchell Mercante
 

Jim,

The NEB&W Guides for Steam Era Freight Car Modeling by John Nehrich contains a wealth of information on paint schemes and includes reproductions of many photographs of freight cars. Both the well known as well as many obscure roads are included. The last time I looked, there were three guides available and one covering scenery, structures and details. All are well worth the money and may still be available through the Rensselaer modelers' group.

Mitch Mercante

Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:
Has any one ever done a book/document/list of the changes to
paint schemes that covers the major railroads? I know my RRs.
But when it comes to an RR that I don't know I don't know what
years what paint schemes happened.

For instance ... what year did Pennsy introduce the Shadow
Keystone? No, I'm not interested in an answer to just that
one question - well, actually I am - but the point is that it
is an example of how paint schemes changed over the years.
Why do I want to know? I'm in the process of selecting freight cars
to take to a run that has a cut off date of 1949. And I know enough to
not rely upon the data that is on the car ... even if the built date is
correct the paint scheme is often from a much later period.

So how's a fella supposed to know?








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Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Steve,
I contacted Microscale @ the old MRIA show about the minicals. They said it was a proprietary set and I would have to contact the folks at Taurus.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve and Barb Hile
To: STMFC@... ; ritslist@...
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Hi Rob,

I seems like these cars were discussed, at some point in the distant past. Someone with better searching techniques in the STMFC archives will probably point out where.

These cars were the subject of an old wood "craftsman" kit first from Prototype Modeler and then from Taurus. The decals came, I believe, from Microscale. Perhaps they can still reproduce the set as a Mini-Cal. There will also a similar set from Walthers in the dark ages, not as "correct" as the ones from the kit.

Today, the Red Caboose R-30-12 kit could make a decent starting point for a kitbash.

As best as we can tell, the cars had yellow sides and brown ends. I don't have the Mainline Modeler issue, so I can't be sure exactly what information is there.

As I recall the story, the RI sold their refrigerator fleet back(both freight and express) to General American during the depression. The cars kept their RI numbers, but change reporting marks to GARX. I have a Hopkins photo of one in Washington DC in the 40's.

A few of these wanderers actually came home to the RI in the 50's, being purchased for ice service. If you want some more details on this, contact me off list, and I will look up the details.

I hope this helps.

Regards,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Adams
To: Steam Freight Cars Group ; ritslist@...
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island
refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of
Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering colors?

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Re: Dalman two level trucks

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Brian Leppert" <b.leppert@...> wrote:

After that work, all mold parts have to go out to a heat treater for
hardening. Turn around time is about a week
This process involves putting the parts in an oven. Life is always
interesting when parts come back from heat treating, as I can expect
dimensions to change, surfaces to bulge out or sink in, and longer
pieces to
curve like a banana and/or twist like a pretzel, and everything must be
ground back to workable sizes.
Then I can start producing the trucks!
Yaeh! Someone else who sees the value in hard tooing so the parts
don't turn to crap befiore the initial run is finished.

Good luck Brian.


Paint scheme changes

Ron Morse <ronstrainshop@...>
 

In the way back time machine there was about a half page each month in
Trains magazne of the current paint and lettering schemes of the major
railroads,1940's. Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do with
todays computers, to do it again, in color.
Ron Morse
NYC/C&O O scale in Springfield,MO


Re: Paint Scheme Changes

oliver
 

--- In STMFC@..., tgregmrtn@... wrote:
Jim writes:
"Has any one ever done a book/document/list of the changes to paint
schemes
that covers the major railroads? I know my RRs. But when it comes
to an RR
that I don't know I don't know what years what paint schemes happened.
For instance ... what year did Pennsy introduce the Shadow Keystone?
Now there is a thought for a quick, basic, entry level article.
Perhaps someone at MR could do it in two pages since they seem to
mainly focus on simple, not very in-depth articles for "beginners"
these days;-)

All kidding aside...although a good idea, I suspect it hasn't been
done because it would quickly become a major treatise, no? I can't
even keep track of what happened on my beloved SP over the years!

BTW, to stay on topic it was 1954 for the Pennsy shadow Keystone.
Check out this great site:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PaintingInstructions.html
and check out the "The Keystone Modeller(TKM)" magazine for good info.
cheers
Stefan Lerche
Duncan, BC


Re: Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars

armprem
 

Just how accurate was the lettering on the old Silver Streak
model?Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Adams" <steamera@...>
To: "Steam Freight Cars Group" <STMFC@...>;
<ritslist@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 11:51 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Lettering for Rock Island refrigerator cars


Is HO scale lettering available for the 1924-built Rock Island
refrigerator cars that were covered briefly in the August 1999 issue of
Mainline Modeler? Can anyone elaborate on their paint and lettering
colors?

Definitely a neat car. I don't know a lot about their history, but
they were still listed on the roster in a 1937 ORER. I'd like to add
one to my roster at some point.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

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Re: Dalman two level trucks

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

Jon,
Thank you for your interest in the Dalman trucks. The new CNC mill arrived in January and since then the tooling for the sideframes has been completed. I finished the brakeshoes part Friday. These are similar to Kadee's offerings--they clip onto the truck bolsters and locate the brakeshoes where they should be.
This Monday the bolster height will be lowered as per Dennis Storzek's advice on this list on Nov. 9th. Then the four mold parts that form the cone shaped axle holes have to be remade to accommodate the axle length for Branchline's wheelsets.
After that work, all mold parts have to go out to a heat treater for hardening. Turn around time is about a week
This process involves putting the parts in an oven. Life is always interesting when parts come back from heat treating, as I can expect dimensions to change, surfaces to bulge out or sink in, and longer pieces to curve like a banana and/or twist like a pretzel, and everything must be ground back to workable sizes.
Then I can start producing the trucks!

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

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From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Dalman two level trucks


The last data I have seems to be from Nov. of last year. It was from
Brian Leppert and apparently he is waiting for a new CNC machine. He states
3 months so I figure it's time to query for an update on these trucks. Did
Brian get his machine and is tooling complete or still in progress?

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
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San Francisco Bay Area RPM event - April 30, 2006

Rob Sarberenyi <espeef5@...>
 

You are invited to attend the 3rd annual Bay Area Prototype Modelers (BAPM)
event on Sunday, April 30, 2006, from 10:00 AM to 5:00 PM at the Marriott Hotel in Fremont, California.

Tickets are available at the door for same-day walk-in registration!
Admission is only $20, or just $18 if you bring at least one model to
display.

This Railroad Prototype Modeler (RPM) event is open to model railroaders of
all roads, scales, and eras. Finished models, along with those still
in-progress, are encouraged and welcome for display.

BAPM 2006 features:
* More than 3,700 sq. ft. of display space... over 3x last year's!
* Hundreds of detailed models on display
* Four in-depth clinics (see schedule below)
* Free-mo modular layout display (to learn more about Free-mo visit
http://www.free-mo.org/)
* Manufacturers on-site with displays and merchandise for sale
* Raffle for great prizes from Major Model Railroad Manufacturers and local
hobby shops (see website for sponsors list)

Clinic schedule:
11:30 - 12:00 -- "Flares": Modeling SP's EMD SD45s, by Elizabeth Allen
12:00 - 1:30 -- Lunch break
1:30 - 2:00 -- Modeling Western Pacific Covered Hoppers, by Thom Anderson
2:15 - 3:00 -- Pennsy Modeling without Brain Damage, by Tony Thompson
3:15 - 4:00 -- Building Urethane Resin Kits, by Gene Fusco, Rail Yard Models

When: Sunday, April 30, 2006
10:00 AM - 5:00 PM

Where: Fremont Marriott Hotel
46100 Landing Parkway
Fremont CA 94538
Phone: (510) 413-3700
http://www.fremontmarriott.com

Visit our BAPM website to download the official flyer
http://www.bayareaprototypemodelers.org
http://bayareaprototypemodelers.org/bapm06flyer.pdf


Rob Sarberenyi
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