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Re: J&L tank car photos Ohio Historical Society YS&T tank cars

Rick <oscaletrains@...>
 

Still SOME hope though, Box 25 Folder 16 here

http://www.ohiohistory.org/youngst/findaid/mss0134.htm

contains 56 "railroad cars" photos. I have sent another inquiry about
these.


Re: PRR N6b

Bruce Smith
 

On May 10, 2006, at 12:56 PM, Justin Kahn wrote:
And Bruce alludes to something that
reminds me of the response when I asked about trucks for this car a while
ago, that apparently the hand rails were changed when the cars were rebuilt
and most received the distinctive PRR single coil-spring trucks at the same
time. The views on the PRR railfan site also suggest there was more than
just the one modification, perhaps as the brake wheel arrangements were
updated.
Jace,

According to Bob Johnson, the modifications occurred as follows:
November 1943
- AB brakes
- cast side frame trucks

May 1944
- power hand brakes

July 1944 (note in my first post I said 1946, which was information from Jack Consoli)
- high end railings

Cars having the original equipment still around in 1949 or later. Bob's information was truly illuminating as it impacts directly on my 1944 time frame, where a good number of these cars will retain archbar trucks, K-brakes and low end railings.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: J&L tank car photos Ohio Historical Society YS&T tank cars

Rick <oscaletrains@...>
 

Oh, that's just great. Wonder if I can cancel my order.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:

I ordered the digital files of the 5 photos in the Ohio Historical
Society Collection. None of these are J&L coal tar tank cars.
There are 3 identifiable cars in the photos. All are youngstown
sheet and tube tank cars. One is silver with black lettering. The
end lettering shows a capacity of 8256 gallons. The other two cars
are black 18406 (probably GATX) and GATX 18407. They are lettered
for YS&T. One has a build date of 7-18 with a patent date of 6-17-
1913 with five bands of rivets.

I will post the pictures tonight after I am home.

Rich Orr


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J&L tank car photos Ohio Historical Society YS&T tank cars

SUVCWORR@...
 

I ordered the digital files of the 5 photos in the Ohio Historical Society Collection. None of these are J&L coal tar tank cars. There are 3 identifiable cars in the photos. All are youngstown sheet and tube tank cars. One is silver with black lettering. The end lettering shows a capacity of 8256 gallons. The other two cars are black 18406 (probably GATX) and GATX 18407. They are lettered for YS&T. One has a build date of 7-18 with a patent date of 6-17-1913 with five bands of rivets.

I will post the pictures tonight after I am home.

Rich Orr


Re: VanDorn end

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Jon - As Tony T. said awhile back, SP had one car (which we'll do). MILW had one and IC had 350 50' furniture cars. It cost us some bucks to have the end done by CAD and rapid prototyping so we'll amortize the cost over several kits. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Miller
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:34 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] VanDorn end


I noticed in the new MRC that Al is doing a Penn XL box with the VanDorn
end. While the ad says to '37 I thought I'd seen pictures of later use.
Was this end used on any other cars?
While it's so rare we probably should be careful of usage it's always
been a design that fascinated me!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
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Re: VanDorn end

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jon Miller wrote:
I noticed in the new MRC that Al is doing a Penn XL box with the VanDorn
end. While the ad says to '37 I thought I'd seen pictures of later use.
Was this end used on any other cars?
SP applied it to one car, Jon, but it was scrapped a few years before time stopped for you <g>.

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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Personal Groupware!!!!

Tim O'Connor
 

I downloaded the group, that was easy. But for search, it
seems to only find -exact- matches. How can you search for
1937 AAR box car messages? People might have written

1937 AAR box car
AAR 1937 boxcar
1937 boxcar ... AAR

and so on. Tom or Jerry :-) have you found a way to perform
searches using "inexact" matches?

(I don't want to get started on a rant about DBMS vs simple
text but this is the "index" issue I alluded to the other day.)

The tool sure has great potential.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Precision Craft Models PRR H32 Covered Hopper

Scott Seders
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

The Keystone Modeler announced the H32 cars in the March 2006 issue
<VBG>. So it pays to read TKM!! Of course, it helps that the
models
have been developed with the assistance of the PRRT&HS Modeling
Committee and others within the PRRT&HS.

Regards
Bruce
Shame on me for not reading that issue. I think I was tied up reading
The B&O Modeler. :^)

It is good to know that the Modeling Committee has been working with
PCM.

Scott Seders


Re: PRR N6b

Justin Kahn
 

Thanks to Bruce and Larry for giving me a good start. I think what may have happened is that the Japanese had access to an official diagram, which shows the simplified end railings which ended up on the model. This is a bit surprising, as so many of the earliest Japanese brass production were based on the 1947 MRR Cyclopedia of reprinted drawings (which, if true--and I've heard this from more than one source--goes a long way to explain why some prototypes were made and not others), and the Geissel drawing shows both the modified end rails and archbar trucks. And Bruce alludes to something that reminds me of the response when I asked about trucks for this car a while ago, that apparently the hand rails were changed when the cars were rebuilt and most received the distinctive PRR single coil-spring trucks at the same time. The views on the PRR railfan site also suggest there was more than just the one modification, perhaps as the brake wheel arrangements were updated.
Those owning one (or more) of the QC N6b kits, whether HO or O scale, will note that they suggest the earliest modification, as on the Geissel drawings.
I probably won't bother, but I am now starting to wonder the different stack supports (either to the cupola or to the roof) were a consequence of class rebuilding.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.


On Tue, May 9, 2006 10:22 pm, Justin Kahn wrote:
Doubtless serious PRR modelers will have all kinds of references, but I
am
merely a dabbler respecting PRR and much of my library is unavailable
right
now, anyway. I have a strong suspicion that the end railings on my Max
Gray
import are not quite right, so before I paint it up, I'd like to correct
whatever needs fixing on the end railings. Would some kind soul please
point me toward some good views of N6b ends (preferably on the web)?
As per Jack Consoli's article on the ND/NDA in the latest TKM (April
2006), the end railing modifications were begun around 1946, although it
is clear that many woodies didn't ever get the modifications (upper rail,
right side uprights). This would be true for the N6B as well.
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

Three online photos are referenced at:
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=N6
(The first Google hit with *prr n6b* as a search string.)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr980184abp.jpg (not listed on Rob
Schoenbergs prr.railfan.net/freight site) is a better view of the
railings

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA
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Re: Precision Craft Models PRR H32 Covered Hopper

Bruce Smith
 

On May 10, 2006, at 12:23 PM, Jon Miller wrote:

Interesting that Walthers can list new products (freight cars) before
the importers BLI/PCM list them on their site.
The Keystone Modeler announced the H32 cars in the March 2006 issue <VBG>. So it pays to read TKM!! Of course, it helps that the models have been developed with the assistance of the PRRT&HS Modeling Committee and others within the PRRT&HS.

Regards
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith
Auburn, AL
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Re: VanDorn end

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I noticed in the new MRC that Al is doing a Penn XL box with the VanDorn end. While the ad says to '37 I thought I'd seen pictures of later use. Was this end used on any other cars?
While it's so rare we probably should be careful of usage it's always been a design that fascinated me!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Precision Craft Models PRR H32 Covered Hopper

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Interesting that Walthers can list new products (freight cars) before the importers BLI/PCM list them on their site.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Precision Craft Models PRR H32 Covered Hopper

Scott Seders
 

The new products section on walthers.com shows that PCM is bringing out
an H32 in HO scale in several paint schemes. Cars will only be
available in four packs for $139.99 list.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/newproducts/cr/200605/Freight

Scott Seders


D&RGW Standard Gauge Reefers

Rick <oscaletrains@...>
 

Now that the world knows that early in service photos of J&L tankers
exist that shows them to be light colored with dark lettering, another
car that info seems to be hard to come by concerning it is the very
few standard guage reefers the Rio Grande had. Other than a couple
really distant photos of the car in book photos, is anyone aware of
any actual decent photos of these cars that someone could actually
build a model and paint and letter one correctly from?


Re: Sherman Hill Dirt, Ames Monument, etc.

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

So a metal detector would not be out of the question?

I've been there several times, and even driven on the old ROW near the
current Tie Siding (at least as far as I could go until I ran into fencing
across a cut).
--

Brian Ehni

From: <asychis@aol.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:25:51 EDT
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Sherman Hill Dirt, Ames Monument, etc.

In a message dated 5/10/2006 10:22:43 AM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:
When I go to Laramie this summer I can get you more. How about from the Ames
monument site (original site of Sherman)?
Take some time to look around at the Monument. A few minutes there last
year, looking for evidence of freight cars at Sherman, resulted in finding a
brass
military uniform button.

Jerry Michels


Re: PRR N6b

raildata@...
 

Anything as old as the QC kit line has to suspect in terms of accuracy! I
know because I was truning out crummy drawings for model railraod
magazines.....which then showed up later in kit form or brass. Standards and knowledge
simply weren't much advanced back then. We simply didn't know any better and the
mfgrs generally took data from the mags or cycs.

My all time favorite is the brass model of a diesel that the Japanes mafgr
made using just a post card of the real thing!

I still have a QC N5 built up. I threw away the cupola castings and built a
new one from sytrene, figuring it was less work than trying to clean up and fit
those crude castings.

Chuck Yungkurth
Boulder CO


Re: Minneapolis & St. Louis 2520

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

My monitor's resolution isn't sharp enough to make out the built-date
on this car; >
Shawn Beckert
Shawn, The cars were built in 59.
Clark Propst


Re: Searching STMFC Archives

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

When I go to Laramie this summer I can get you more. How about from the Ames
monument site (original site of Sherman)?
--

Brian Ehni

From: Mike Brock <brockm@brevard.net>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 10:15:24 -0400
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Searching STMFC Archives

Tom Madden writes:

"Searching on Author = Brock and
message string = "sherman" AND "hopper" turns up 40 messages."

Jeeeez. 40 DOES seem a bit too many. I mean...I can see maybe 38 on such an
important issue but, 40?

Mike Brock...now...where did I put my envelope of Sherman Hill dirt? I need
a "fix" this morning.


Re: Searching STMFC Archives

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tom Madden writes:

"Searching on Author = Brock and
message string = "sherman" AND "hopper" turns up 40 messages."

Jeeeez. 40 DOES seem a bit too many. I mean...I can see maybe 38 on such an important issue but, 40?

Mike Brock...now...where did I put my envelope of Sherman Hill dirt? I need a "fix" this morning.


Stock Cars

mrslandser
 

I hope this fits in the time frame of this list!

Was curious as to the accuracy of the Boxcar Red/White paint scheme offered on the Ontario Northern, Canadian Pacific and/or the Canadian National stock cars being offered by CMT?

Thanks

Jack Hanger


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