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Re: TH&B colour date

mcindoefalls
 

--- In STMFC@..., "sarbuf" <djjanes@...> wrote:

Was looking at the new
Intermountain 40' steel boxcars and was wondering what year they
started getting painted in the yellow and black scheme like on the
model.
I posted your question to the CPSIG group, and a respondent advises
that the CDS dry transfer catalog says "1954". That's about the same
time TH&B parent CPR went to the "stepped" lettering on its boxcars.

Walt Lankenau


IMWX Kits For Sale

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC,
Please pardon the band width. The 10 IMWX kits are sold.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Syminton-Gould truck

al_brown03
 

As a Seaboard modeler I'd love for an enterprising manufacturer to
make some of these DALMAN-ANDREWS trucks. Three railroads at least?
That's a market! If Taylor trucks sell, these should. :-)

Last winter I made a pair of stand-in Dalman-Andrews trucks from old
metal Dalmans, by putting styrene strip across the bottom to
represent the journal retainer bars. They pass the "six-foot test"
but that's all I claim.

I wonder, does the term "Dalman-Andrews" have the makings of a
general truck nomenclature? Bolsters and springs in the first part of
the name, general frame shape at the end?

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On May 30, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

I don't know why, Dennis, you would object to
calling them "Andrews," since that's what their manufacturers
called
them.
But I did indeed have this problem on the SooLineHistory list in a
discussion with the late John Campbell. He insisted the series if
cars
had DALMAN trucks (the H was a figment of my imagination) I was
sure
all these cars had "Andrews" trucks. He posted a photo, and sure
enough, the truck in question has separate bolt-on journals...
but it
also had the Dalman two level spring pack and bolster. Now that I
have
a better photo, i see the sideframe is an ASF 7795A, with the ASF
octagon casting mark, but says DALMAN across the top, with pattent
dates in 1924 and 1925 cast in. Nowhere does it say Andrews, yet
the
vast majority of model railroaders would immediately associate the
bolt on journal with the Andrews name, as I had.
Tunnel vision is always hazardous. The trucks Dennis is describing
were of Dalman-Andrews design and were used not only by the Soo
Line
but also by the Great Northern and the Seaboard Air Line (and
perhaps
some other RRs as well) in the mid-to-late 1920s. The side frames
were
Andrews because they had the typical Andrews bolted-on journal
boxes.
The bolsters and spring groups were Dalman two level. More than
one
truck manufacturer made them. So it is partly correct to call them
Andrews trucks and partly correct to call them Dalman trucks but a
full
description requires both terms.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Syminton-Gould truck

Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 30, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Dennis Storzek wrote:

I don't know why, Dennis, you would object to
calling them "Andrews," since that's what their manufacturers called
them.
But I did indeed have this problem on the SooLineHistory list in a
discussion with the late John Campbell. He insisted the series if cars
had DALMAN trucks (the H was a figment of my imagination) I was sure
all these cars had "Andrews" trucks. He posted a photo, and sure
enough, the truck in question has separate bolt-on journals... but it
also had the Dalman two level spring pack and bolster. Now that I have
a better photo, i see the sideframe is an ASF 7795A, with the ASF
octagon casting mark, but says DALMAN across the top, with pattent
dates in 1924 and 1925 cast in. Nowhere does it say Andrews, yet the
vast majority of model railroaders would immediately associate the
bolt on journal with the Andrews name, as I had.
Tunnel vision is always hazardous. The trucks Dennis is describing were of Dalman-Andrews design and were used not only by the Soo Line but also by the Great Northern and the Seaboard Air Line (and perhaps some other RRs as well) in the mid-to-late 1920s. The side frames were Andrews because they had the typical Andrews bolted-on journal boxes. The bolsters and spring groups were Dalman two level. More than one truck manufacturer made them. So it is partly correct to call them Andrews trucks and partly correct to call them Dalman trucks but a full description requires both terms.

Richard Hendrickson


IMWX 1937 AAR Box Cars with Square-Corner Ends For Sale

Ed Hawkins
 

STMFC,
I have a total of 10 Innovative Model Works 1937 AAR undecorated kits with square-corner ends for sale. All kits are complete and in original boxes. Five are molded in gray plastic and the other five are in brown plastic. Red Caboose now owns the tooling for these cars and their list price (catalogue # RC-8001) is $14.95, but the kits are currently shown as being out of stock on the RC web site. These IMWX kits do not include the improved grab irons that RC has since produced.

I wish to sell all 10 kits as one lot for $100.00, which includes shipping to any location in the U.S. Please contact me off list to reserve them. First come, first reserved. Payment must be made via personal check or money order. Thank you.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
hawk0621@...


Re: Mystery Tank Car

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Thanks Dave,
There was a National Oil distributor here in Mason City Iowa. This
fuel distributor sold White Rose Gasoline, EN-AR-CO oil and National
Light Kerosene. The M&StL purchased the facility in June of 1944 at a
cost of $5,500. It's a good thing I model the 50s or I'd have to
figure out how to decal one of those tank cars.
Clark Propst



--- In STMFC@..., "David Smith" <dsmith@...> wrote:

A private individual's history site about National Refining is found
at
http://www.enarco.com/home.htm > Dave Smith


truck nomenclature (Was: Symington-Gould truck)

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:
But I did indeed have this problem on the SooLineHistory list in a
discussion with the late John Campbell. He insisted the series if cars
had DALMAN trucks (the H was a figment of my imagination) I was sure
all these cars had "Andrews" trucks. He posted a photo, and sure
enough, the truck in question has separate bolt-on journals... but it
also had the Dalman two level spring pack and bolster. Now that I have
a better photo, i see the sideframe is an ASF 7795A, with the ASF
octagon casting mark, but says DALMAN across the top, with pattent
dates in 1924 and 1925 cast in. Nowhere does it say Andrews, yet the
vast majority of model railroaders would immediately associate the
bolt on journal with the Andrews name, as I had.
This is an important point. Not all bolt-on journals are Andrews; not all pedestal solid-bearing trucks of cast steel design are Vulcan; not all T-section trucks are Bettendorf (if anything, Bettendorf was a minority maker of these by the 1920s, though they originated the design). And to go further, trucks with Barber or A-3 bolster snubbers may well be licensed trucks made by ASF or Columbia Steel or Buckeye or lots of people. I think there were several kinds of trucks using Dalman spring arrangements, so as Dennis says, we need to use care in describing trucks with single-word names. It not only may not be definitive, it may even be misleading altogether.
Richard Hendrickson may want to chime in along about here.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Syminton-Gould truck

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
I'm not sure there even WERE Andrews patents. There are several
photos in Cycs of Andrews trucks from different manufacturers, with
differing patent dates cast into the frame; some say "Andrews," some
don't. Those dates, BTW, range from 1896 to 1904, so the Bettendorf
version Dennis describes could well have been after the 17-year
expiration, but there are no Andrews trucks shown in Car Builders'
Dictionaries as late as 1906, so those patents may relate to some other
feature. The most prominent advertiser of Andrews trucks in the Cycs
I've looked at was ASF.
I may have to eat crow on this one, because I can't find the photo I
though I took; I may be thinking of the "other" truck on one car,
since this car had one of each.


I don't know why, Dennis, you would object to
calling them "Andrews," since that's what their manufacturers called
them.
But I did indeed have this problem on the SooLineHistory list in a
discussion with the late John Campbell. He insisted the series if cars
had DALMAN trucks (the H was a figment of my imagination) I was sure
all these cars had "Andrews" trucks. He posted a photo, and sure
enough, the truck in question has separate bolt-on journals... but it
also had the Dalman two level spring pack and bolster. Now that I have
a better photo, i see the sideframe is an ASF 7795A, with the ASF
octagon casting mark, but says DALMAN across the top, with pattent
dates in 1924 and 1925 cast in. Nowhere does it say Andrews, yet the
vast majority of model railroaders would immediately associate the
bolt on journal with the Andrews name, as I had.

Of course when one starts looking at lettering, NATIONAL Coil Spring
journal lids show up on a lot of steam era trucks, and propriatary
bolster designs also often carried a name on the end castings, Huntoon
and Simplex come to mind, but none of these items say anything about
the truck design.

There is probabally a way to sort this all out by patern numbers for
the sideframe castings, but I've never seen a list, and I suspect that
it would be less than intuitive, anyway.

Meanwhile, we just need to be careful that we don't shorten the
description so much that part of the information gets lost.

Dennis


TH&B colour date

sarbuf <djjanes@...>
 

Hello Group: I model the later 1950's and was looking at the new
Intermountain 40' steel boxcars and was wondering what year they
started getting painted in the yellow and black scheme like on the
model. I know they were built in the 40's but not sure if the models
colour scheme would fit my era.

Thanks in advance
Don Janes
Sarnia, Ont.
Canada


FW: eBay Item Not Won: DTD HO Sunshine Models 18.5 GN Great Northern Kit (6060821095)

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

And I thought I was bidding too high at $60.00!!! It went for $71.01!
--

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Re: Mystery Tank Car

David Smith <dsmith@...>
 

A private individual's history site about National Refining is found at
http://www.enarco.com/home.htm (found by Googling White Rose Gasoline).
National Refining was apparently bought out by Ashland in 1950.

Dave Smith



David L. Smith, Ph.D.

Director of Professional Development

Da Vinci Discovery Center, Allentown, PA

http://www.davinci-center.org <http://www.davinci-center.org/>

"Who will pick up where Leonardo left off?"

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 11:04 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Mystery Tank Car


On May 29, 2006, at 6:53 PM, Scott Pitzer wrote:

Not to be confused with... or, TO BE confused with... the National Oil
Company that operated tank cars with N.O.X. reporting marks (at least
from the late 20s to the late 50s.) (Richard, you mentioned this
company when I asked about ACF cars one might model from P2K kits-- I
believe you said they were based in Richmond Va.)
Scott, I invited the confusion by writing National Oil Co. and not
National REFINING Co. You are correct that the National Oil Co. was a
different animal, and was based in Richmond.

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Re: Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Madden wrote:
In the case of the SP B-50-25, the InterMountain body is necessary for
the 12-panel sides.
Perfectly stated.

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Re: Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs (was SP B-50-25)

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "ajfergusonca" <ajferguson@...> wrote:

Various people have stated:
-the RC roof should be substituted for the IM roof
-The RC underbody should be substituted for the IM roof
I'm planning to change the ends, wheels and couplers
What's left of the IM boxcar?
Wouldn't it just be simpler to start with a RC box car?
Or am I missing something?
Andy, I need a dozen undec's for Naperville.:-)
Allen Ferguson
In the case of the SP B-50-25, the InterMountain body is necessary for
the 12-panel sides.

Tom Madden


Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs (was SP B-50-25)

Andy Carlson
 

I am joined by others in believing that for a '37 AAR boxcar, the best starting point remains with Red Caboose's former IMWX car. The Intermountain '37 AAR with its separate ends lends itself to later versions. If one desires the 10-6 IH 40' AAR boxcar, it is hard to beat the Branchline boxcar, though it does not have the early Dreadnaught ends (used through 1944) or early Youngstown doors (used through 1946). I suppose the 5/5 Intermountain might work- I haven't checked this possibility. I am glad that all 3 of the above mentioned companies are really good in supplying parts. They aren't making a lot of money, and the work they perform in getting these parts to us is welcomed by me.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...> wrote: Various people have stated:
-the RC roof should be substituted for the IM roof
-The RC underbody should be substituted for the IM roof
I'm planning to change the ends, wheels and couplers
What's left of the IM boxcar?
Wouldn't it just be simpler to start with a RC box car?
Or am I missing something?
Andy, I need a dozen undec's for Naperville.:-)
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Re: Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs (was SP B-50-25)

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

Various people have stated:
-the RC roof should be substituted for the IM roof
-The RC underbody should be substituted for the IM roof
I'm planning to change the ends, wheels and couplers
What's left of the IM boxcar?
Wouldn't it just be simpler to start with a RC box car?
Or am I missing something?
Andy, I need a dozen undec's for Naperville.:-)
Allen Ferguson


Re: Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs (was SP B-...

Paul Lyons
 

I totally agree Andy and I try to support ALL three manufacturers.
Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca


Re: Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I would guess it probably was Stefan and Maerklin/Trix just ignored what he told them!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
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B-50-25 model photo

Ted Culotta <tculotta@...>
 

I posted the B-50-25 model photo with the scratchbuilt ladders at http://www.speedwitch.com/Models.htm

I submitted a larger photo to STMFPH, too.

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Re: Truck Question

Tim O'Connor
 

Thanks for all the pointers Brian. I had not seen the DT&I
50 ft car with them but Brian Carlson posted a photo of one.
I'm glad to hear of the other users, especially on 1932 box
cars (because there are kits for those)... Maybe a case can
be made now for a model of one?? (To go along with the sadly
ignored 50 ton ASF roller bearing, and the 50 ton 'Chrysler'
truck.) If someone did this truck, then we'd finally have two
spring-plank truck models in HO. (Accurail being the other.)

Tim


Brian Leppert wrote

Tim;
In the STMFC files is a photo of a DT&I coil-elliptic truck, listed
under "DTI.spring coil truck". Is this the truck you're talking
about? If so, then drawings are in CBCs from 1937 to 1961. This kind
of truck was used under DT&I, N&W, and VGN round roof boxcars and
BAR, CGW, C&O, ERIE, and WM 1932 ARA boxcars, just to mention a few
cars. See also the May 2006 Mainline Modeler, page 39, for a 1937
built Western Maryland gon with these trucks.


Re: Difference between Intermountain and Red Caboose roofs

Tim O'Connor
 

Gene Green wrote

The person who advised Maerklin/Trix on the box car lives in Sweden.
Gene Green
Hopefully not Stefan Ehnbom.... :-)

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