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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

That worked.
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Brian Ehni

From: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 3 Jun 2006 18:38:28 -0000
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /Funaro & Camerlengo PRR Class X28A Boxcar.pdf
Uploaded by : benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
Description : Prototype - Model Comparison of F&C HO scale PRR X28A boxcar
kit

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Funaro%20%26%20Camerlengo%20PRR%20Cl
ass%20X28A%20Boxcar.pdf

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Andrews-Dalman truck

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

I got tired of waiting for the photo police to approve the photo I uploaded to the Photos section, so I uploaded the image to the Files section of this list at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Andrews-Dalman_truck.jpg

Apparently copyright violations are OK in the Files but not in Photos.


Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL


New file uploaded to STMFC

STMFC@...
 

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /Funaro & Camerlengo PRR Class X28A Boxcar.pdf
Uploaded by : benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@worldnet.att.net>
Description : Prototype - Model Comparison of F&C HO scale PRR X28A boxcar kit

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

charles slater
 

We used to handle them when I was a switchman in LA, and they would only load the two end compartments and leave the center one empty.
We also had a custimer who recieved 3-bay hoppers of Ajax clenser and they would have the center compartment empty also, but because their unloading spot was up against a bumping post, they could only unload one end of the car and then we would need to take the car and turn it on the wye and re spot it so they could unload the other end of the car. Their unloading spot was made for two bay cars.
That could make for more operation on a model railroad.
Charlie Slater
Bakersfield, Ca.

From: Brian Paul Ehni <behni@comcast.net>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: STMFC List <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:02:49 -0500

It would never be fully loaded with cement. Back in the day, hopper cars
used to have painted lines indicating the level of various commodities.

Cement, being more dense, would not literally fill the cubic space of the
car. Other commodities certainly could (and did).
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:52:52 -0000
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Just a few months ago Athearn released an HO-scale PS2 three-bay
covered hopper (Stock # 2893). The prototype for the model was the
covered hopper Pullman-Standard began producing beginning in the 1950s.

One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these hoppers
were "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement and
plastic."

It seems to me that this car, fully loaded, would have been incapable
of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo, Ca


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these hoppers
were "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement and
plastic."
It seems to me that this car, fully loaded, would have been incapable
of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.
Can anyone confirm this?
You are right. It is confirmed in Kaminski's book on AC&F history, in which he describes the relation of cargo density to covered hopper volume.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

It would never be fully loaded with cement. Back in the day, hopper cars
used to have painted lines indicating the level of various commodities.

Cement, being more dense, would not literally fill the cubic space of the
car. Other commodities certainly could (and did).
--

Brian Ehni

From: Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:52:52 -0000
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Just a few months ago Athearn released an HO-scale PS2 three-bay
covered hopper (Stock # 2893). The prototype for the model was the
covered hopper Pullman-Standard began producing beginning in the 1950s.

One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these hoppers
were "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement and
plastic."

It seems to me that this car, fully loaded, would have been incapable
of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo, Ca


Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Just a few months ago Athearn released an HO-scale PS2 three-bay
covered hopper (Stock # 2893). The prototype for the model was the
covered hopper Pullman-Standard began producing beginning in the 1950s.

One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these hoppers
were "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement and
plastic."

It seems to me that this car, fully loaded, would have been incapable
of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo, Ca


F&C X28A

Robert Daniels
 

Hello group,

Can anyone comment as to the accuracy of the new Funaro and Camerlengo X28A?

Thanks in advance.

Rob Daniels
New York, NY

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MP N scale & HO Special Price items

Andy Carlson
 

I have the following MP N & HO Models for sell. All are brand new, in original packaging, and have no price or dealer stickers (unless otherwise noted).

Intermountain Powered HO MP F7A #622 List Price $99.95
$50.00
Intermountain Powered HO MP F7B #620B
$48.00

LifeLike P2K HO HiSide Covered Hopper Assembled List $28.00
$14.00 #MP712307

Intermountain HO 60' Wood deck Flat #'s 828145; 818011 Assembled
$15.00 ea


LifeLike N SCALE FA-1/FB-1 both powered split frame #321, 321B
$29.00 pair (Have 2pair)

Prices above do not include postage. Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA midcentury@sbcglobal.net


ERIE N scale & HO Special Price items

Andy Carlson
 

I have the following ERIE N & HO Models for sell. All are brand new, in original packaging, and have no price or dealer stickers (unless otherwise noted).

Intermountain Powered HO ERIE F7A have 4#'s List Price $99.95
$50.00 ea.
Intermountain Powered HO ERIE F7B have 4 #'s
$48.00ea.

Intermountain ERIE 50' DD PS-1 Kit 67584 blt '59
$12.00

LifeLike EL11489 52' Gon Kit
$6.00

ERIE *N SCALE* KATO Covered Hoppers AC&F 2 pack List $28.00
$16.00 per pair of 2 cars

LifeLike Erie Alco FA1 FB1 N SCALE both powered #729A&729B List $140.00
$30.00 per AB pair

Prices above do not include postage. Contact me off-list if interested. Thanks, -Andy Carlson Ojai CA midcentury@sbcglobal.net


Re: TH&B colour date

Keith Sirman <keith.sirman@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Hawkins" <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: TH&B colour date



On Friday, June 2, 2006, at 04:10 AM, Bill McCoy wrote:

Considering the TH&B's ownership is there any chance these cars
frequented the US with any regularity?
Bill,
I don't know how frequent, but TH&B box cars in yellow and black were
found to at least some extent with the following photos:
3042, Paul Dunn photo (Zanesville, Ohio ?) circa 1960
3051, M. Gruber collection, Atchison, Kansas 1/9/54
3102, Col. Chet McCoid photo from Bob's Photo, San Diego, Ca. 12/28/56
3423, E.P. Herzog photo, St. Louis, Mo. early 1960s
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
I remember hearing about the head of the Aberdeen car shops here in Hamilton
in tears in 1954 as a string of new ticat cars where being returned to
Hamilton in gons after being wrecked in Texas. There is a shot in NYC Gone
But Not Forgotten book of one of the boxcar red cars in New York. Anytime
you want builders dates for the TH&B stuff, I`ll be glad to forward it
along.
Not quite dead yet.;-)
Keith Sirman


Re: East Deerfield

Jerry Dziedzic
 

I hear you.

Schuyler, did you mean to say the Connecticut "river" that you can't
remember the name? <VBG> One of my better stunts was getting stumped
while explaining the origin of the name White River Jct. The
audience, which mercifully numbered only two, wanted to know whether
the name respected the railroad junctions. "No, it respects the
geographic feature" . . . the confluence of the Connecticut and
another river whose name just didn't come to mind at the moment. I
finally fumbled out "Black River". Oh, brother.

Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Justin Kahn" <harumd@...> wrote:

Among the flood of other responses. I can identify; I have
definitely
reached an age where my memory slips mental gears about things I
know
perfectly well.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

Date: Fri Jun 2, 2006 8:24 am (PDT)
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" schuyler.larrabee@...
Subject: Re: TH&B colour date


I saw and photographed one in [the B&M yard in Greenfield, next to
the
Connecticut River of which I
can't think of the name} probably 20+ years ago.

SGL
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Champ Decals for Sale

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I bought a box of miscellaneous, mostly Champ, decals at the ATSF/CB&Q joint meet a few weeks ago. After pulling out the things I am most interested in, I find that there are still quite a few left. I will sell them for $.50 per pack, including postage. Please send me an email, OFF LIST, and I will send you an Excel spreadsheet list, if you are interested.

Thanks,
Steve Hile
shile@mindspring.com


Re: steel mills in the steam era/ justifying gons from far away

Allen Rueter <allen@...>
 

odds and ends:
Out west there were several Steel mills,
CO Pueblo - Colorado Fuel & Iron
UT Geneva - Geneva works (bought by USS after WWII)
CA Fontana - Kaiser ?

USS also had a mill in Duluth MN

In the mid 50s US Steel Supply located a warehouse in St.Louis on the Wabash
UD line, it was projected to receive 6-10 loads a day, it's still there.
Hmm EJ&E had several direct connections with the Wabash, Brisbane IL,
near Clark Jct IN, Crocker IN.

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sale list

Jason Greene <steamlocomotive290@...>
 

I have a long list of HO engines and Rolling Stock for sale. Most is way off the MSRP, so take a peek maybe you'll find an item or two.

Please email me OFF-List and I will send the list to you.

I also have an N-scale display case if you are interested.

Jason Greene
Murrayville, GA


BURLINGTON HO & N SCALE Special Price items

Andy Carlson
 

I have the following CB&Q HO Models for sell. All are
brand new, in original packaging, and have no price or
dealer stickers (unless otherwise noted).

Intermountain Powered HO CB&Q F7A (phase 1) Painted in
White w/ color trim. IM #49007 List Price $99.95
$50.00 ea. Have 4 #'s

Intermountain Powered HO CB&Q F7B (phase 1) as above
IM#49507
$48.00 ea. have 4#'s

Intermountain Powered HO CB&Q F3A "Silver" scheme
IM#49117
$50.00 ea. 3 #'s

Intermountain Powered HO CB&Q F3B "silver scheme
IM#49617
$48.00 Have 3

Intermountain USRA CB&Q wood side gondola Assembled
$14.00 have 12 #'s

LifeLike CB&Q 50 ton war emergency wood side hopper
Assembled
$14.00 CB&Q#194896 RTR

LifeLike CB&Q 50 ton war emergency wood hopper Kit #
194041
$7.00 ea have 2

LifeLike P2K CB&Q 52' Mill Gon #82008 kit
$6.00

LifeLike P2K CB&Q #82059 52' Greenville Gondola
assembled
$12.00 ea. have 2

LifeLike Colo & Southern 52' mill gon kit # 21562
$6.00

Hi Tech Details (by Jim Booth) 40' Baby Hy-Cube Boxcar
Factory paint CB&Q 19869; 19874; & 19844, All are Kits
$17.00 ea.


**************N SCALE BELOW*******N SCALE BELOW*****N
SCALE

Intermountain 50' AAR single door boxcar List $18.95
6#'s
$9.50ea. IM # 65904
Prices above do not include postage. Contact me
off-list if interested. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA midcentury@sbcglobal.net


Re: steel mills in the steam era/ justifying gons from far away

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Ed Mines:

Erie serviced the mill in Lackawanna, NY - I believe that's where all
those Greenville gons were used. Youngstown Sheet and Tube too.
Elden:

I will try to find out about YS&T, but I don't think Erie
went into Y-town.
Elden, don't spend a lot ot time researching that. The ERIE did indeed go to (and through) "Y-town."
That's YOUNGSTOWN you know . . . It went so much "through" Youngstown that after Conrail (sorry
Mike) the mayor made a deal so that the ERIE track would be abandoned, and he made huge efforts to
obliterate the line through the city. Filled in bridges, built a Science Museum (now closed)
directly over the line, and a jail ditto.

And YS&T was a very large ERIE (and later EL) customer.

SGL


East Deerfield

Justin Kahn
 

Among the flood of other responses. I can identify; I have definitely reached an age where my memory slips mental gears about things I know perfectly well.

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

Date: Fri Jun 2, 2006 8:24 am (PDT)
From: "Schuyler Larrabee" schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net
Subject: Re: TH&B colour date


I saw and photographed one in [the B&M yard in Greenfield, next to the Connecticut River of which I
can't think of the name} probably 20+ years ago.

SGL
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Re: steel mills in the steam era/ justifying gons from far away

aczhistory
 

Erie did go into Youngstown... as well as the PLE... they serviced
Republic Steel, Carnige and its subsidiaries, and YST.. as well as
some of the other smaller mills in YO... Other railroads were the B&O,
Penn, NYC and short lines...

andrea
born and bred YO'er


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Ed;
I think EJ&E serviced Gary, Indiana - formerly a steel producing area.
It did.

Erie serviced the mill in Lackawanna, NY - I believe that's where all
those Greenville gons were used. Youngstown Sheet and Tube too.

I will try to find out about YS&T, but I don't think Erie went into
Y-town.

Does anyone know all of the steel producing mills in the steam era?
Pittsburgh, Gary, Birmingham, Bethlehem PA, Cleveland, Buffalo ......
What were the others?

I have a bunch of books and documents published by the steel
industry asnd
others on this subject. There were so many steel-makers you wouldn't
believe. If you have specific questions, ask them. There is too
much info
to list it all.

From this list I learned that a P&LE customer shipped cast sewer pipes
all around the country - I guess there weren't many manufacturers of
those pipes around the country.

The answer I got to this question was: "Cost, man; it is all about
how much
someone was willing to sell you "X" when you asked. Prices
fluctuated daily,
so one week you might get pipe from J&L via the P&LE and next week
from USS
Gary via EJ&E.

Which companies made unique products that would bring gons from a far
into other regions of the country?

They ALL did. Each company had some unique steel product; or at
least one
that paid their bills. Each USS facility made something that the others
didn't. Or, at least locally. There were also hundreds of
different kinds
of steel, used in thousands of applications. Makers would vary the
ingredients according to users requests, so the steel, and products
made from
it, could also vary from week to week.

For example was any steel shipped from Birmingham into the New York
area? How about from Gary? There were plenty of mills much closer.

There could have been, depending on how much it cost them compared
to the
mills that were closer. I remember a guy from Levinson Steel (a
fabricator)
telling me that the reason they had gons of structural shapes from
Bethlehem
(PB&NE 65' gons) was that they got it cheaper than from USS, who was
literally a rock's throw across a fence!

Have a great weekend, guys!

Elden Gatwood


ATSF HO Special Price items

Andy Carlson
 

I have the following ATSF HO Models for sell. All are
brand new, in original packaging, and have no price or
dealer stickers (unless otherwise noted).

Intermountain Powered HO ATSF F7A (phase
1)"Catwhisker" scheme List Price $99.95
$50.00 ea. Have 2 #'s


Intermountain HO Santa Fe Undec Ice bunker reefer kit
$11.00 ea.

Intermountain HO kit Santa FE Super Chief #35840 Longs
special
$14.00

Intermountain HO Kit Santa FE Super Chief/Ship&Travel
32428, 33026, 32107 (have 2)
$14.00 ea.

Branchline Trains kitATSF 50' Double Door Boxcar
#8392, blt '51 del.
$10.00

Accurail 89' TTX Flat car kit
$6.00 ea.

Prices above do not include postage. Contact me
off-list if interested. Thanks,
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA midcentury@sbcglobal.net

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