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Re: steel mills in the steam era/ justifying gons from far away
Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
Schuyler;
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Thanks for educating me. All those times I went there, and didn't know that important fact. Thanks, Elden
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:30 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] steel mills in the steam era/ justifying gons from far away Ed Mines: Elden:Erie serviced the mill in Lackawanna, NY - I believe that's where allthose Greenville gons were used. Youngstown Sheet and Tube too. I will try to find out about YS&T, but I don't think ErieElden, don't spend a lot ot time researching that. The ERIE did indeed go to (and through) "Y-town." That's YOUNGSTOWN you know . . . It went so much "through" Youngstown that after Conrail (sorry Mike) the mayor made a deal so that the ERIE track would be abandoned, and he made huge efforts to obliterate the line through the city. Filled in bridges, built a Science Museum (now closed) directly over the line, and a jail ditto. And YS&T was a very large ERIE (and later EL) customer. SGL Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: FEC Ventilated Express Boxcar
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Don Worthy wrote:
"I've posted a photo in the miscellaneous folder [of STMFPH] of a FEC ventilated Express Boxcar. It is a very odd looking car but, one I'd love to model. The express trucks are almost as long as the car is!! Could someone share some details of this car's group? How many did the FEC have like this? When did they see service? Hopefully this was a 40s-50s era car." Don, FEC 601-650, built 1945: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/boxauto/fec21009main.html See Ed Hawkins' table for details: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html Ben Hom
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Soda Ash -- (was Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers)
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
Francis Pehowic wrote:
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings: This reminds me to ask somwething... What kind of car was used to transport soda ash before specialty covered hoppers came on to the market? I've been reading a bit on soda ash and the making of silicates of soda - a precursor for soap apparently -- and learned that soda ash was quite corrosive when it became wet. Does that suggest boxcars?? Or did the railroad's use open top cars and accept the occasional car damage? Dave Nelson
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Railway Prototype Cyclopedias needed
Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
I am looking for copies of numbers 2 and 3. If you have one or both, please
respond off-list! -- Brian Ehni
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Francis Pehowic <rdgbuff13@...>
Tony,
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They were 100-ton cars. Taller than the Athearn car. Francis in Sunbury, Pa.
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Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....
Scott Pitzer
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Scott, that's why the first line of good instructions says "Read the Someone's always throwing that in my face! I also wish Al W. would quit writing "weather to taste." Those Bragdon powders are yucky! Scott Pitzer
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Francis Pehowic wrote:
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:Were they 70-ton or 100-ton cars? Those are all dense cargoes. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Scott, that's why the first line of good instructions says "Read theI remember that one... It ends with "and now put down your pencil, put your head down on your desk, and wait for further instructions from the teacher". Didn't work in the 4th grade either. Dave Nelson
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Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....
Schuyler Larrabee
Under this general topic, I'd like to encourage kitScott, that's why the first line of good instructions says "Read the instructions all the way through before starting to build this kit." SGL
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Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....
Scott Pitzer
Under this general topic, I'd like to encourage kit instruction writers to avoid this booby-trap for the modeler:
Step 10-- Cement two end-widgets to the base widget, one at each end. [This is where I go and eat dinner or run some errands.] Step 11-- Before cement has completely set, insert the center widget between the end-widgets.... (If anything else is to be done "before cement has completely set," say so within the same step!) I thank you. Scott Pitzer
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F&C X28A
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Ben Hom writes:
Still, I guess it still beats hacking apart two Red Caboose kits orThanks for confirming my fears Ben. I agree re: the Red Caboose kits. Since the RC car won't give one the correct panel spacing either, this isn't an option unless price is no issue and you go for the Sunshine kit. Personally, I am thinking about removing panels from the F&C kit and trying to insert my own. Won't know if that has any hope of looking good until I have a kit in hand. As to the Westerfield doors - that is really great news. Thanks for passing along that info! I want the Creco style spliced door for my model of PRR123353 in 1946. Rob Kirkham
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Francis Pehowic <rdgbuff13@...>
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:
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Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal Sugar Ilmenite Limestone Francis in Sunbury, Pa.
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Uh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important things for Atlas to fix." On the contrary, it's much more important than you think. If you're going to go through the trouble to correct tooling, you've got to go back and make sure all of your supporting drawings and documentation match the new tooling. Otherwise, old drawings have a bad habit of coming back to bite you in the ass. Case in point: the helicopter hangar door onboard my first ship, a Knox-class frigate, needed replacement after being broken by a disgruntled sailor. It was a roll-type door, and the sailor had kept cranking after the door was fully open, breaking some of the slats on the door. The ships were originally built with a small hangar to accomodate DASH (Drone Anti-Submarine Helicopter), a small remote-controlled helicopter. http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/qh-50.html http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1086-dvic145.jpg Built with late 1950s-early 1960s technology, these had the bad habit of crashing or flying over the horizon and not coming back, so the ships received manned UH-2/SH-2 LAMPS I helicopters. These required a larger hangar, and the ships were refitted with a larger telescoping hangar. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/sh-2.htm http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1089-h96767.jpg No new doors were in stock, so it had to be custom made. The Ensign in charge of the division, fresh out of Annapolis and eager to do the right thing, went down to the Tech Library and pulled a set of drawings for the door. Her Master Chief told her the story of the old DASH hangar and suggested that she might want to check the drawings against the hangar opening, but she wouldn't have any of this. The drawings went off to the door manufacturer (who charged us $5,000 back in 1993), and when the door came back, it didn't fit! It was finally donated to one of the preserved FRAM destroyers were also fitted to fly DASH. Configuration control can be a real pain sometimes... Ben Hom
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Re: F&C X28A
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Rob Kirkham asked:
"Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the photos that's throwing me off? I.e. the height of the doors - they seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm hoping the door and track are add on parts...." I agree. The two John C. LaRue collection photos in my TKM article clearly shows the upper door track up against the rivet strip along the top of the sides. There shouldn't be a gap. The door is a separate part; unfortunately, the track is not, so we'll have to deal with a scar if it's removed. The good news is that in a happy coincidence, Al Westerfield has tooled doors that will work in his #3356 and #3357 modernized PRR Class X26 kits. The two rebuilding programs happened concurrently; 1/2 doors salvaged from the X28 automobile cars were recycled by welding them together to cover 6 ft door openings, and were used on both X26 and X28A. The oft-republished R. L. Pitts photo of PRR 123456 shows a variation of this with a riveted splice plate. Still, I guess it still beats hacking apart two Red Caboose kits or paying $75+ for a Sunshine kit. Ben Hom
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Re: F&C X28A
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Thanks Ben for the further references....
A question - Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the photos that's throwing me off? Ie. the height of the doors - they seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm hoping the door and track are add on parts.... Rob Kirkham
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Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Museum car scrapping
James Mischke <jmischke@...>
Here are the heritages of some of these surplus B&O Museum cars, to be
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scrapped next week at the CSX Mt. Clare BIDS Terminal in Baltimore: - Already scrapped: B&O X-9728, 10,000 gallon diesel fuel tank car, built 1918 for Mexican Petroleum as MPLX 1094, to Pam-Am Oil, to Amoco, acquired by B&O for fuel storage at Glenwood, Pa., donated by CSX in 1994 - To be scrapped Monday morning (June 5): B&O IB-9, ice breaker car converted from 1951-built N-41 offset twin hopper 828966 in 1964, renumbered to B&O 960608, then sold to B&P as #1021, traded to B&O Museum in 1994 for a modern C&O three bay hopper car - B&O 360973 B&O class O-70 gondola, built at Dubois in 1964 from Bethlehem kit - B&O 914959 heritage murky, might be former B&O class P-32 flatcar #9132, built 1956 at Dubois from Greenville kit, design based on 1941 AAR alternate standard 70-ton flat car - UTLX 88009 Built 1957 by UTC in Whiting, Ind., first group of stub sill cars built by Union Tank car, car cleaned and painted by Union Tank Car Cleveland, Texas shop for museum donation in 1997. - B&O 951112MW class N-43a PS-2 two bay covered hopper built 1955, converted to sand service as B&O DS-30, later to B&O 951112MW in 1982, donated by CSX in 1994 - B&O 912508MW converted to Burro Crane boom car, B&O X-4002, unknown class, looks like a Greenville 1941 AAR alternate standard 70-ton flat car. - Penn Central 445439 built 1960 by ACF, PRR class H39 70 ton hopper - Cambria and Indiana 343 built 1957 by Bethlehem Steel, twin bay offset side 70 ton hopper, last in service at Bethlehem Sparrows Point steel mill, donated by Bethlehem in 1997 borr7500 wrote:
Today I managed to get some info on the B&O Museum cars
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
Schuyler Larrabee
http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htmUh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important things for Atlas to fix. SGL
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
tchenoweth@...
Bob,
I only saw 2 bay hoppers carrying cement, gravel and the like. I never saw a 3 bay marked for cement and definitely never shot any. This was mainly around the Santa Fe. Just my personal observation. Tom Chenoweth
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Andy Carlson wrote:
"...my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China, the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers." Atlas did eventually correct the tooling. You can still find some of the early run models floating around in old hobby shop stock and eBay - I pick them up for use as fodder for the Sunshine AAR alternate standards hopper minikits. Gets them off the streets and puts them to constructive use. Ben Hom
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
Andy Carlson
Yes, my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China, the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers.
-Andy Carlson Ojai CA benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote: http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run of this model.
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