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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Francis Pehowic <rdgbuff13@...>
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:
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Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal Sugar Ilmenite Limestone Francis in Sunbury, Pa.
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Uh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important things for Atlas to fix." On the contrary, it's much more important than you think. If you're going to go through the trouble to correct tooling, you've got to go back and make sure all of your supporting drawings and documentation match the new tooling. Otherwise, old drawings have a bad habit of coming back to bite you in the ass. Case in point: the helicopter hangar door onboard my first ship, a Knox-class frigate, needed replacement after being broken by a disgruntled sailor. It was a roll-type door, and the sailor had kept cranking after the door was fully open, breaking some of the slats on the door. The ships were originally built with a small hangar to accomodate DASH (Drone Anti-Submarine Helicopter), a small remote-controlled helicopter. http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/qh-50.html http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1086-dvic145.jpg Built with late 1950s-early 1960s technology, these had the bad habit of crashing or flying over the horizon and not coming back, so the ships received manned UH-2/SH-2 LAMPS I helicopters. These required a larger hangar, and the ships were refitted with a larger telescoping hangar. http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/sh-2.htm http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1089-h96767.jpg No new doors were in stock, so it had to be custom made. The Ensign in charge of the division, fresh out of Annapolis and eager to do the right thing, went down to the Tech Library and pulled a set of drawings for the door. Her Master Chief told her the story of the old DASH hangar and suggested that she might want to check the drawings against the hangar opening, but she wouldn't have any of this. The drawings went off to the door manufacturer (who charged us $5,000 back in 1993), and when the door came back, it didn't fit! It was finally donated to one of the preserved FRAM destroyers were also fitted to fly DASH. Configuration control can be a real pain sometimes... Ben Hom
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Re: F&C X28A
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Rob Kirkham asked:
"Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the photos that's throwing me off? I.e. the height of the doors - they seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm hoping the door and track are add on parts...." I agree. The two John C. LaRue collection photos in my TKM article clearly shows the upper door track up against the rivet strip along the top of the sides. There shouldn't be a gap. The door is a separate part; unfortunately, the track is not, so we'll have to deal with a scar if it's removed. The good news is that in a happy coincidence, Al Westerfield has tooled doors that will work in his #3356 and #3357 modernized PRR Class X26 kits. The two rebuilding programs happened concurrently; 1/2 doors salvaged from the X28 automobile cars were recycled by welding them together to cover 6 ft door openings, and were used on both X26 and X28A. The oft-republished R. L. Pitts photo of PRR 123456 shows a variation of this with a riveted splice plate. Still, I guess it still beats hacking apart two Red Caboose kits or paying $75+ for a Sunshine kit. Ben Hom
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Re: F&C X28A
Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
Thanks Ben for the further references....
A question - Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the photos that's throwing me off? Ie. the height of the doors - they seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm hoping the door and track are add on parts.... Rob Kirkham
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Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Museum car scrapping
James Mischke <jmischke@...>
Here are the heritages of some of these surplus B&O Museum cars, to be
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scrapped next week at the CSX Mt. Clare BIDS Terminal in Baltimore: - Already scrapped: B&O X-9728, 10,000 gallon diesel fuel tank car, built 1918 for Mexican Petroleum as MPLX 1094, to Pam-Am Oil, to Amoco, acquired by B&O for fuel storage at Glenwood, Pa., donated by CSX in 1994 - To be scrapped Monday morning (June 5): B&O IB-9, ice breaker car converted from 1951-built N-41 offset twin hopper 828966 in 1964, renumbered to B&O 960608, then sold to B&P as #1021, traded to B&O Museum in 1994 for a modern C&O three bay hopper car - B&O 360973 B&O class O-70 gondola, built at Dubois in 1964 from Bethlehem kit - B&O 914959 heritage murky, might be former B&O class P-32 flatcar #9132, built 1956 at Dubois from Greenville kit, design based on 1941 AAR alternate standard 70-ton flat car - UTLX 88009 Built 1957 by UTC in Whiting, Ind., first group of stub sill cars built by Union Tank car, car cleaned and painted by Union Tank Car Cleveland, Texas shop for museum donation in 1997. - B&O 951112MW class N-43a PS-2 two bay covered hopper built 1955, converted to sand service as B&O DS-30, later to B&O 951112MW in 1982, donated by CSX in 1994 - B&O 912508MW converted to Burro Crane boom car, B&O X-4002, unknown class, looks like a Greenville 1941 AAR alternate standard 70-ton flat car. - Penn Central 445439 built 1960 by ACF, PRR class H39 70 ton hopper - Cambria and Indiana 343 built 1957 by Bethlehem Steel, twin bay offset side 70 ton hopper, last in service at Bethlehem Sparrows Point steel mill, donated by Bethlehem in 1997 borr7500 wrote:
Today I managed to get some info on the B&O Museum cars
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
Schuyler Larrabee
http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htmUh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important things for Atlas to fix. SGL
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
tchenoweth@...
Bob,
I only saw 2 bay hoppers carrying cement, gravel and the like. I never saw a 3 bay marked for cement and definitely never shot any. This was mainly around the Santa Fe. Just my personal observation. Tom Chenoweth
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Andy Carlson wrote:
"...my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China, the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers." Atlas did eventually correct the tooling. You can still find some of the early run models floating around in old hobby shop stock and eBay - I pick them up for use as fodder for the Sunshine AAR alternate standards hopper minikits. Gets them off the streets and puts them to constructive use. Ben Hom
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
Andy Carlson
Yes, my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China, the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers.
-Andy Carlson Ojai CA benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote: http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run of this model.
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman" status or is this a new model?" http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run of this model. Ben Hom
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
Greg Bartek
Tim,
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AFAIK, the 2 bay offset hopper and the PS-2 are now part of the Trainman line. Demoting?....nah. Same model, different box. Greg Bartek
--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....
leakinmywaders
Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions in many resin
freigh car kits--which I agree with--I thought it might be appropriate to post a really big attaboy to Mr. Culotta for his extremely lucid, carefully-written, and beautifully illustrated instruction sheet in the new Speedwitch SP/T&NO B-50-25 boxcar kit. I just received mine today and I am very impressed. I'd say Ted is doing a great service to all of us by taking the time to prepare directions that are friendly to resin kit novices. And yet they are chock full of good ideas for everybody else too. Thanks! Chris Frissell Polson, MT
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Re: F&C X28A
benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Rob Daniels asked:
"Can anyone comment as to the accuracy of the new Funaro and Camerlengo X28A?" I've uploaded a side-by-side comparison titled "Funaro & Camerlengo PRR Class X28A Boxcar.pdf" in the STMFC Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files The prototype photo is a detail from the April 2002 "Shot of the Month" from the Steam Era Freight Cars website: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of% 20mo/shotofmoapr02.html (If the side by side offends anyone else, I'll pull it from the files section.) The most noticable flaw is highlighed on the slide - aside from its greater height, the spotting feature distinguishing the X28A from the X29 is a narrow panel, second to the left of the door. This is a vestige of the cars' previous life as atuomobile boxcars. The Funaro model lacks this detail. I haven't built this kit yet; looking in the box, the other thing I'd do is replace the kit ladders with Red Caboose X29 ladders. That being said, the Funaro model is the best readily available HO scale option available today. This model saves you the trouble of kitbashing the X28A by splicing together two Red Caboose X29 kits for the added height (which will also share the same side sheathing discrepancy as the Funaro model). Sunshine 26.14 and 26.15 are highly accurate kits of the X28A, but they are no longer in production. Overland did a run of brass models some time back. More prototype information can be found in my article in the June 2005 TKM (for which I did obtain permission to reproduce the photos in the article): http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm Download it now as it'll be dropped from the website as soon as the June 2006 issue hits the streets! Ben Hom
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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper
SUVCWORR@...
According to the discussion in Atlas' forum this is the same offset 2 bay
hopper Atlas has offered in the past in new paint schemes and/or new road numbers. Rich Orr
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Ed Hawkins
On Saturday, June 3, 2006, at 09:52 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:
One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these hoppersBob, In my articles in the September and November 2005 Railmodel Journal there are several photos of cars having a line on the exterior of the car and stencils stating that cement shall not be loaded higher than 3'-5" from the top of the hatch. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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Atlas Trainman hopper
Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman"
status or is this a new model? http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm Tim O'Connor
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
A word of warning; this causes my Safari browser to crash. I'm going to try
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going directly to the file instead. -- Brian Ehni
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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
Brian-
I'm aware of painted lines being used on open hoppers, but wouldn't that be a problem with covered hoppers? It certainly would be an interesting detail to model. Does anyone have iamges? Bob Chaparro --- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote: hopper cars used to have painted lines indicating the level of variouscommodities. of the car. Other commodities certainly could (and did).the 1950s.covered hopper Pullman-Standard began producing beginning in the hoppers andwere "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement incapableplastic." of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC
Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
That worked.
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-- Brian Ehni
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Andrews-Dalman truck
Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
I got tired of waiting for the photo police to approve the photo I uploaded to the Photos section, so I uploaded the image to the Files section of this list at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Andrews-Dalman_truck.jpg Apparently copyright violations are OK in the Files but not in Photos. Dennis Storzek Big Rock, IL
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