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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Francis Pehowic <rdgbuff13@...>
 

The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:

Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal Sugar Ilmenite
Limestone

Francis in Sunbury, Pa.

From: tchenoweth@...
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:29:09 EDT

Bob,

I only saw 2 bay hoppers carrying cement, gravel and the like. I never
saw a 3 bay marked for cement and definitely never shot any. This was mainly
around the Santa Fe. Just my personal observation. Tom Chenoweth








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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Uh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important
things for Atlas to fix."

On the contrary, it's much more important than you think. If you're
going to go through the trouble to correct tooling, you've got to go
back and make sure all of your supporting drawings and documentation
match the new tooling. Otherwise, old drawings have a bad habit of
coming back to bite you in the ass.

Case in point: the helicopter hangar door onboard my first ship, a
Knox-class frigate, needed replacement after being broken by a
disgruntled sailor. It was a roll-type door, and the sailor had
kept cranking after the door was fully open, breaking some of the
slats on the door. The ships were originally built with a small
hangar to accomodate DASH (Drone Anti-Submarine Helicopter), a small
remote-controlled helicopter.
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/qh-50.html
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1086-dvic145.jpg

Built with late 1950s-early 1960s technology, these had the bad
habit of crashing or flying over the horizon and not coming back, so
the ships received manned UH-2/SH-2 LAMPS I helicopters. These
required a larger hangar, and the ships were refitted with a larger
telescoping hangar.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/sh-2.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1089-h96767.jpg

No new doors were in stock, so it had to be custom made. The Ensign
in charge of the division, fresh out of Annapolis and eager to do
the right thing, went down to the Tech Library and pulled a set of
drawings for the door. Her Master Chief told her the story of the
old DASH hangar and suggested that she might want to check the
drawings against the hangar opening, but she wouldn't have any of
this. The drawings went off to the door manufacturer (who charged
us $5,000 back in 1993), and when the door came back, it didn't
fit! It was finally donated to one of the preserved FRAM destroyers
were also fitted to fly DASH.

Configuration control can be a real pain sometimes...


Ben Hom


Re: F&C X28A

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Kirkham asked:
"Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the
photos that's throwing me off? I.e. the height of the doors - they
seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car
side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm
hoping the door and track are add on parts...."

I agree. The two John C. LaRue collection photos in my TKM article
clearly shows the upper door track up against the rivet strip along
the top of the sides. There shouldn't be a gap.

The door is a separate part; unfortunately, the track is not, so
we'll have to deal with a scar if it's removed. The good news is
that in a happy coincidence, Al Westerfield has tooled doors that
will work in his #3356 and #3357 modernized PRR Class X26 kits. The
two rebuilding programs happened concurrently; 1/2 doors salvaged
from the X28 automobile cars were recycled by welding them together
to cover 6 ft door openings, and were used on both X26 and X28A.
The oft-republished R. L. Pitts photo of PRR 123456 shows a
variation of this with a riveted splice plate.

Still, I guess it still beats hacking apart two Red Caboose kits or
paying $75+ for a Sunshine kit.


Ben Hom


Re: F&C X28A

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Thanks Ben for the further references....

A question - Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the photos that's throwing me off? Ie. the height of the doors - they seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm hoping the door and track are add on parts....

Rob Kirkham


Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Museum car scrapping

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Here are the heritages of some of these surplus B&O Museum cars, to be
scrapped next week at the CSX Mt. Clare BIDS Terminal in Baltimore:



- Already scrapped: B&O X-9728, 10,000 gallon diesel fuel tank car,
built 1918 for Mexican Petroleum as MPLX 1094, to Pam-Am Oil, to Amoco,
acquired by B&O for fuel storage at Glenwood, Pa., donated by CSX in 1994


- To be scrapped Monday morning (June 5): B&O IB-9, ice breaker car
converted from 1951-built N-41 offset twin hopper 828966 in 1964,
renumbered to B&O 960608, then sold to B&P as #1021, traded to B&O Museum
in 1994 for a modern C&O three bay hopper car


- B&O 360973 B&O class O-70 gondola, built at Dubois in 1964 from
Bethlehem kit


- B&O 914959 heritage murky, might be former B&O class P-32 flatcar
#9132, built 1956 at Dubois from Greenville kit, design based on 1941 AAR
alternate standard 70-ton flat car


- UTLX 88009 Built 1957 by UTC in Whiting, Ind., first group of stub
sill cars built by Union Tank car, car cleaned and painted by Union Tank
Car Cleveland, Texas shop for museum donation in 1997.


- B&O 951112MW class N-43a PS-2 two bay covered hopper built 1955,
converted to sand service as B&O DS-30, later to B&O 951112MW in 1982,
donated by CSX in 1994


- B&O 912508MW converted to Burro Crane boom car, B&O X-4002, unknown
class, looks like a Greenville 1941 AAR alternate standard 70-ton flat
car.


- Penn Central 445439 built 1960 by ACF, PRR class H39 70 ton
hopper


- Cambria and Indiana 343 built 1957 by Bethlehem Steel, twin bay
offset side 70 ton hopper, last in service at Bethlehem Sparrows Point
steel mill, donated by Bethlehem in 1997






borr7500 wrote:

Today I managed to get some info on the B&O Museum cars
being scrapped at Mt Clare yard. Car numbers are the best I
see considering the graffiti and rust.

??? 5014? 50 ton hopper, was one of the former ice breaker cars
in well rusted yellow paint
B&O 360973 Gondola
B&O 914959 Flatcar
UTLX 88009 Tankcar
C&I 343 70 ton hopper
PC 445439 70 ton hopper
B&O 951112MW covered hopper
B&O 912508MW flatcar
BDLX 2016, 2006, 2013, 2017, 2016 all ACF covered hoppers
BDLX 101, 102, 103 Airslide covered hoppers (Domino sugar)

There was also a silver tank car with big PAAL? Letters, was
being cut up when I was there
Sorry I can't provide any more history on these, maybe someone else
can help here.

CSR



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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and
lettering layout drawings still have that goofy center side
stake of the original run of this model.


Ben Hom
Uh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important things for Atlas to fix.

SGL


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

tchenoweth@...
 

Bob,

I only saw 2 bay hoppers carrying cement, gravel and the like. I never
saw a 3 bay marked for cement and definitely never shot any. This was mainly
around the Santa Fe. Just my personal observation. Tom Chenoweth


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
"...my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to
China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China,
the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was
dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for
some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a
Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers."

Atlas did eventually correct the tooling. You can still find some of
the early run models floating around in old hobby shop stock and eBay -
I pick them up for use as fodder for the Sunshine AAR alternate
standards hopper minikits. Gets them off the streets and puts them to
constructive use.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

Andy Carlson
 

Yes, my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China, the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout
drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run
of this model.


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman" status or is
this a new model?"

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout
drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run
of this model.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

Greg Bartek
 

Tim,

AFAIK, the 2 bay offset hopper and the PS-2 are now part of the
Trainman line. Demoting?....nah. Same model, different box.

Greg Bartek

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman"
status or is this a new model?

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

Tim O'Connor


Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....

leakinmywaders
 

Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions in many resin
freigh car kits--which I agree with--I thought it might be appropriate
to post a really big attaboy to Mr. Culotta for his extremely lucid,
carefully-written, and beautifully illustrated instruction sheet in
the new Speedwitch SP/T&NO B-50-25 boxcar kit. I just received mine
today and I am very impressed. I'd say Ted is doing a great service to
all of us by taking the time to prepare directions that are friendly
to resin kit novices. And yet they are chock full of good ideas for
everybody else too. Thanks!

Chris Frissell
Polson, MT


Re: F&C X28A

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Daniels asked:
"Can anyone comment as to the accuracy of the new Funaro and
Camerlengo X28A?"

I've uploaded a side-by-side comparison titled "Funaro & Camerlengo
PRR Class X28A Boxcar.pdf" in the STMFC Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files

The prototype photo is a detail from the April 2002 "Shot of the
Month" from the Steam Era Freight Cars website:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%
20mo/shotofmoapr02.html

(If the side by side offends anyone else, I'll pull it from the files
section.)

The most noticable flaw is highlighed on the slide - aside from its
greater height, the spotting feature distinguishing the X28A from the
X29 is a narrow panel, second to the left of the door. This is a
vestige of the cars' previous life as atuomobile boxcars. The Funaro
model lacks this detail. I haven't built this kit yet; looking in the
box, the other thing I'd do is replace the kit ladders with Red
Caboose X29 ladders.

That being said, the Funaro model is the best readily available HO
scale option available today. This model saves you the trouble of
kitbashing the X28A by splicing together two Red Caboose X29 kits for
the added height (which will also share the same side sheathing
discrepancy as the Funaro model). Sunshine 26.14 and 26.15 are highly
accurate kits of the X28A, but they are no longer in production.
Overland did a run of brass models some time back.

More prototype information can be found in my article in the June 2005
TKM (for which I did obtain permission to reproduce the photos in the
article):
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm

Download it now as it'll be dropped from the website as soon as the
June 2006 issue hits the streets!


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

SUVCWORR@...
 

According to the discussion in Atlas' forum this is the same offset 2 bay
hopper Atlas has offered in the past in new paint schemes and/or new road
numbers.

Rich Orr


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Saturday, June 3, 2006, at 09:52 AM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these hoppers
were "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement and
plastic."

It seems to me that this car, fully loaded, would have been incapable
of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.

Can anyone confirm this?
Bob,
In my articles in the September and November 2005 Railmodel Journal there are several photos of cars having a line on the exterior of the car and stencils stating that cement shall not be loaded higher than 3'-5" from the top of the hatch.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Atlas Trainman hopper

Tim O'Connor
 

Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman"
status or is this a new model?

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

Tim O'Connor


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

A word of warning; this causes my Safari browser to crash. I'm going to try
going directly to the file instead.
--

Brian Ehni

From: <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: 3 Jun 2006 18:38:28 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /Funaro & Camerlengo PRR Class X28A Boxcar.pdf
Uploaded by : benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Description : Prototype - Model Comparison of F&C HO scale PRR X28A boxcar
kit

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Funaro%20%26%20Camerlengo%20PRR%20Cl
ass%20X28A%20Boxcar.pdf

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Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Brian-

I'm aware of painted lines being used on open hoppers, but wouldn't
that be a problem with covered hoppers? It certainly would be an
interesting detail to model. Does anyone have iamges?

Bob Chaparro

--- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:

It would never be fully loaded with cement. Back in the day,
hopper cars
used to have painted lines indicating the level of various
commodities.

Cement, being more dense, would not literally fill the cubic space
of the
car. Other commodities certainly could (and did).
--

Brian Ehni


From: Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:52:52 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Just a few months ago Athearn released an HO-scale PS2 three-bay
covered hopper (Stock # 2893). The prototype for the model was
the
covered hopper Pullman-Standard began producing beginning in the
1950s.

One of the statements on the Athearn website says that these
hoppers
were "Designed to carry bulk commodities, such as grain, cement
and
plastic."

It seems to me that this car, fully loaded, would have been
incapable
of handling the weight of such a dense commodity as cement.

Can anyone confirm this?

Thank you.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo, Ca


Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

That worked.
--

Brian Ehni

From: <STMFC@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: 3 Jun 2006 18:38:28 -0000
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: [STMFC] New file uploaded to STMFC


Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the STMFC
group.

File : /Funaro & Camerlengo PRR Class X28A Boxcar.pdf
Uploaded by : benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
Description : Prototype - Model Comparison of F&C HO scale PRR X28A boxcar
kit

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Funaro%20%26%20Camerlengo%20PRR%20Cl
ass%20X28A%20Boxcar.pdf

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>


Andrews-Dalman truck

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

I got tired of waiting for the photo police to approve the photo I uploaded to the Photos section, so I uploaded the image to the Files section of this list at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/Andrews-Dalman_truck.jpg

Apparently copyright violations are OK in the Files but not in Photos.


Dennis Storzek
Big Rock, IL

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