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Soda Ash -- (was Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers)

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Francis Pehowic wrote:
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:

Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal
Sugar
Ilmenite
Limestone

This reminds me to ask somwething... What kind of car was used to transport
soda ash before specialty covered hoppers came on to the market? I've been
reading a bit on soda ash and the making of silicates of soda - a precursor
for soap apparently -- and learned that soda ash was quite corrosive when
it became wet. Does that suggest boxcars?? Or did the railroad's use open
top cars and accept the occasional car damage?

Dave Nelson


Railway Prototype Cyclopedias needed

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I am looking for copies of numbers 2 and 3. If you have one or both, please
respond off-list!
--

Brian Ehni


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Francis Pehowic <rdgbuff13@...>
 

Tony,
They were 100-ton cars. Taller than the Athearn car.

Francis in Sunbury, Pa.

From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:59:51 -0700

Francis Pehowic wrote:
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:
Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal
Sugar Ilmenite Limestone
Were they 70-ton or 100-ton cars? Those are all dense cargoes.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....

Scott Pitzer
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Scott, that's why the first line of good instructions says "Read the
instructions all the way through before starting to build this kit."
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Someone's always throwing that in my face!

I also wish Al W. would quit writing "weather to taste." Those Bragdon powders are yucky!

Scott Pitzer


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Francis Pehowic wrote:
The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:
Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal Sugar Ilmenite Limestone
Were they 70-ton or 100-ton cars? Those are all dense cargoes.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

Scott, that's why the first line of good instructions says "Read the
instructions all the way through before starting to build this kit."

SGL
I remember that one... It ends with "and now put down your pencil, put your
head down on your desk, and wait for further instructions from the teacher".


Didn't work in the 4th grade either.

Dave Nelson


Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Under this general topic, I'd like to encourage kit
instruction writers to avoid this booby-trap for the modeler:

Step 10-- Cement two end-widgets to the base widget, one at each end.

[This is where I go and eat dinner or run some errands.]

Step 11-- Before cement has completely set, insert the center
widget between the end-widgets....

(If anything else is to be done "before cement has completely
set," say so within the same step!)

I thank you.

Scott Pitzer
Scott, that's why the first line of good instructions says "Read the instructions all the way
through before starting to build this kit."

SGL


Re: Given recent grumbling about inadequate instructions....

Scott Pitzer
 

Under this general topic, I'd like to encourage kit instruction writers to avoid this booby-trap for the modeler:

Step 10-- Cement two end-widgets to the base widget, one at each end.

[This is where I go and eat dinner or run some errands.]

Step 11-- Before cement has completely set, insert the center widget between the end-widgets....

(If anything else is to be done "before cement has completely set," say so within the same step!)

I thank you.

Scott Pitzer


F&C X28A

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Ben Hom writes:
Still, I guess it still beats hacking apart two Red Caboose kits or
paying $75+ for a Sunshine kit.
Thanks for confirming my fears Ben.

I agree re: the Red Caboose kits. Since the RC car won't give one the correct panel spacing either, this isn't an option unless price is no issue and you go for the Sunshine kit. Personally, I am thinking about removing panels from the F&C kit and trying to insert my own. Won't know if that has any hope of looking good until I have a kit in hand.

As to the Westerfield doors - that is really great news. Thanks for passing along that info! I want the Creco style spliced door for my model of PRR123353 in 1946.

Rob Kirkham


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

Francis Pehowic <rdgbuff13@...>
 

The READING had larger 3500 cubic foot cars. Some of their loadings:

Lime Magnesite Cement Sand Roofing Granules Ground Coal Sugar Ilmenite
Limestone

Francis in Sunbury, Pa.

From: tchenoweth@...
Reply-To: STMFC@...
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 03:29:09 EDT

Bob,

I only saw 2 bay hoppers carrying cement, gravel and the like. I never
saw a 3 bay marked for cement and definitely never shot any. This was mainly
around the Santa Fe. Just my personal observation. Tom Chenoweth








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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
"Uh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important
things for Atlas to fix."

On the contrary, it's much more important than you think. If you're
going to go through the trouble to correct tooling, you've got to go
back and make sure all of your supporting drawings and documentation
match the new tooling. Otherwise, old drawings have a bad habit of
coming back to bite you in the ass.

Case in point: the helicopter hangar door onboard my first ship, a
Knox-class frigate, needed replacement after being broken by a
disgruntled sailor. It was a roll-type door, and the sailor had
kept cranking after the door was fully open, breaking some of the
slats on the door. The ships were originally built with a small
hangar to accomodate DASH (Drone Anti-Submarine Helicopter), a small
remote-controlled helicopter.
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/qh-50.html
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1086-dvic145.jpg

Built with late 1950s-early 1960s technology, these had the bad
habit of crashing or flying over the horizon and not coming back, so
the ships received manned UH-2/SH-2 LAMPS I helicopters. These
required a larger hangar, and the ships were refitted with a larger
telescoping hangar.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/sh-2.htm
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ff-1089-h96767.jpg

No new doors were in stock, so it had to be custom made. The Ensign
in charge of the division, fresh out of Annapolis and eager to do
the right thing, went down to the Tech Library and pulled a set of
drawings for the door. Her Master Chief told her the story of the
old DASH hangar and suggested that she might want to check the
drawings against the hangar opening, but she wouldn't have any of
this. The drawings went off to the door manufacturer (who charged
us $5,000 back in 1993), and when the door came back, it didn't
fit! It was finally donated to one of the preserved FRAM destroyers
were also fitted to fly DASH.

Configuration control can be a real pain sometimes...


Ben Hom


Re: F&C X28A

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Rob Kirkham asked:
"Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the
photos that's throwing me off? I.e. the height of the doors - they
seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car
side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm
hoping the door and track are add on parts...."

I agree. The two John C. LaRue collection photos in my TKM article
clearly shows the upper door track up against the rivet strip along
the top of the sides. There shouldn't be a gap.

The door is a separate part; unfortunately, the track is not, so
we'll have to deal with a scar if it's removed. The good news is
that in a happy coincidence, Al Westerfield has tooled doors that
will work in his #3356 and #3357 modernized PRR Class X26 kits. The
two rebuilding programs happened concurrently; 1/2 doors salvaged
from the X28 automobile cars were recycled by welding them together
to cover 6 ft door openings, and were used on both X26 and X28A.
The oft-republished R. L. Pitts photo of PRR 123456 shows a
variation of this with a riveted splice plate.

Still, I guess it still beats hacking apart two Red Caboose kits or
paying $75+ for a Sunshine kit.


Ben Hom


Re: F&C X28A

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Thanks Ben for the further references....

A question - Aren't there two other obvious problems - or is it the angle of the photos that's throwing me off? Ie. the height of the doors - they seem short; and the upper door track is not at the top of the car side? Is this correct, as it doesn't match the photos I have? I'm hoping the door and track are add on parts....

Rob Kirkham


Re: [Baltimore_and_Ohio] Museum car scrapping

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

Here are the heritages of some of these surplus B&O Museum cars, to be
scrapped next week at the CSX Mt. Clare BIDS Terminal in Baltimore:



- Already scrapped: B&O X-9728, 10,000 gallon diesel fuel tank car,
built 1918 for Mexican Petroleum as MPLX 1094, to Pam-Am Oil, to Amoco,
acquired by B&O for fuel storage at Glenwood, Pa., donated by CSX in 1994


- To be scrapped Monday morning (June 5): B&O IB-9, ice breaker car
converted from 1951-built N-41 offset twin hopper 828966 in 1964,
renumbered to B&O 960608, then sold to B&P as #1021, traded to B&O Museum
in 1994 for a modern C&O three bay hopper car


- B&O 360973 B&O class O-70 gondola, built at Dubois in 1964 from
Bethlehem kit


- B&O 914959 heritage murky, might be former B&O class P-32 flatcar
#9132, built 1956 at Dubois from Greenville kit, design based on 1941 AAR
alternate standard 70-ton flat car


- UTLX 88009 Built 1957 by UTC in Whiting, Ind., first group of stub
sill cars built by Union Tank car, car cleaned and painted by Union Tank
Car Cleveland, Texas shop for museum donation in 1997.


- B&O 951112MW class N-43a PS-2 two bay covered hopper built 1955,
converted to sand service as B&O DS-30, later to B&O 951112MW in 1982,
donated by CSX in 1994


- B&O 912508MW converted to Burro Crane boom car, B&O X-4002, unknown
class, looks like a Greenville 1941 AAR alternate standard 70-ton flat
car.


- Penn Central 445439 built 1960 by ACF, PRR class H39 70 ton
hopper


- Cambria and Indiana 343 built 1957 by Bethlehem Steel, twin bay
offset side 70 ton hopper, last in service at Bethlehem Sparrows Point
steel mill, donated by Bethlehem in 1997






borr7500 wrote:

Today I managed to get some info on the B&O Museum cars
being scrapped at Mt Clare yard. Car numbers are the best I
see considering the graffiti and rust.

??? 5014? 50 ton hopper, was one of the former ice breaker cars
in well rusted yellow paint
B&O 360973 Gondola
B&O 914959 Flatcar
UTLX 88009 Tankcar
C&I 343 70 ton hopper
PC 445439 70 ton hopper
B&O 951112MW covered hopper
B&O 912508MW flatcar
BDLX 2016, 2006, 2013, 2017, 2016 all ACF covered hoppers
BDLX 101, 102, 103 Airslide covered hoppers (Domino sugar)

There was also a silver tank car with big PAAL? Letters, was
being cut up when I was there
Sorry I can't provide any more history on these, maybe someone else
can help here.

CSR



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Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

Schuyler Larrabee
 

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and
lettering layout drawings still have that goofy center side
stake of the original run of this model.


Ben Hom
Uh, Ben? I think that's quite a ways down the list of important things for Atlas to fix.

SGL


Re: Athearn's New HO Three-Bay Covered Hoppers

tchenoweth@...
 

Bob,

I only saw 2 bay hoppers carrying cement, gravel and the like. I never
saw a 3 bay marked for cement and definitely never shot any. This was mainly
around the Santa Fe. Just my personal observation. Tom Chenoweth


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Andy Carlson wrote:
"...my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to
China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China,
the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was
dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for
some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a
Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers."

Atlas did eventually correct the tooling. You can still find some of
the early run models floating around in old hobby shop stock and eBay -
I pick them up for use as fodder for the Sunshine AAR alternate
standards hopper minikits. Gets them off the streets and puts them to
constructive use.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

Andy Carlson
 

Yes, my understanding was that their earliest artwork ATLAS sent to China had a 2 page drawing crossing over the binding, and in China, the pasted together print yielded the "Extra Wide" rib, which was dutifully reproduced for us North Americans. They sold that way for some time, and I don't know if it was ever corrected, since as a Westerner, I get to ignore coal Hoppers.
-Andy Carlson
Ojai CA

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout
drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run
of this model.


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman" status or is
this a new model?"

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

It's a bit disconcerting to see that their paint and lettering layout
drawings still have that goofy center side stake of the original run
of this model.


Ben Hom


Re: Atlas Trainman hopper

Greg Bartek
 

Tim,

AFAIK, the 2 bay offset hopper and the PS-2 are now part of the
Trainman line. Demoting?....nah. Same model, different box.

Greg Bartek

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Is Atlas demoting some of their old models to "Trainman"
status or is this a new model?

http://www.atlastrainman.com/HOFreight/tmho2bay.htm

Tim O'Connor

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