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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Bruce Smith
 

On Jun 12, 2006, at 3:30 PM, armand wrote:

Elden,Maybe I missed something,but IMHO there are too many variables
when selecting cars for one's layout.The location is important as are the
connecting roads.
Armand,

Here we go again... That's a falsehood perpetrated by model railroaders. The facts seem to show pretty clearly that with a very few special exceptions regionality (location) and connecting railroads have NOTHING to do with populations of boxcars. Connecting railroads may affect specific train makes-up (like Mike's favorite example the espee forwarder) but those are usually "balanced translocations", as we geneticists call them.

The season will have some influence on traffic
patterns.
This may be true for some types of cars, but generally not for boxcars (with perhaps the exception of the grain rush). Even for cars where you think there would be strong seasonality, there were significant alternative uses that may help to blunt the actual variability

Regards
Bruce

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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

armprem
 

Elden,Maybe I missed something,but IMHO there are too many variables
when selecting cars for one's layout.The location is important as are the
connecting roads.The season will have some influence on traffic
patterns.That said,there are other things one should consider if you are
just using national percentages.There are others out there who have a better
handle on the subject than I do.Just thought I would add a little grist to
the mill.Armand Premo

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Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Numbers/percentages of important box car types


Hi folks;



I did a little addition over the weekend, to see if I could figure out the
actual numbers and percentages of certain box car types we all find
interesting. I used many of the sources you all have developed. I thought
you might find the results of interest. I would imagine many of us might
have over-, or under-representation of one or more of these car types on our
layouts.



ARA '32 - 14,180

AAR '37 - 89,578

Modified AAR '37 (5/5 Dread Ends) - 43,565

AAR '44 10'4"-10'6" (w/4/4 IDEs) - 73,397

PS-1 40' - 75,070

PS-1 50' - 20,332



For my time period, this works out to approx. 2.3, 14.8, 7.2, 12.1, 12.4,
and
3.4% of the entire fleet of U.S. boxcars in service (approx. 607,000 in my
timeframe), or approx. 52% of the total (retirements of these types were <1%
by my timeframe).



What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?



I am looking forward to a healthy debate!



Regards,



Elden Gatwood











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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Doug,

When the X29's and NYC USRA derivatives as well as the USRA single & double sheathed boxcars were built between 1919 and 1931, the total boxcars owned by US Class I Roads exceeded 1,000,000 cars in each year.

Tim Gilbert

Doug Brown wrote:

Eldon, another 9-10% of the total were either PRR X29 or NYC USRA-derivative
steel box cars. USRA DS (25000) and SS (25000) boxcars and rebuilds thereof
totaled as much as 8.2%. Doug


Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Elden,

Below in roughly five year increments are US Class I Boxcars owned as per the material of their underframe and sheathing. Cars listed in the Steel Underframe column could be single or double sheathed (wood) while most of those in the "Other" column had Wood or Composite (Steel Center Sills) Underframes (most had truss rods), but could be assumed had wood single or double sheathing. All-Steel means a SUF with Steel Sheathing.

Total Steel SUF Other
Year 000's % Tot 000's % 000's % 000's %
1921 1,038 100.0% 29 3.2% 533 51.4% 471 45.4%
1925 1,078 100.0% 68 6.3% 664 61.6% 345 32.0%
1930 1,060 100.0% 125 11.8% 735 69.4% 200 18.8%
1935 809 100.0% 146 18.0% 584 72.2% 79 9.8%
1940 705 100.0% 268 37.9% 394 55.8% 44 6.2%
1945 742 100.0% 386 52.1% 329 44.5% 26 3.5%
1950 715 100.0% 507 70.8% 203 28.5% 5 0.7%
1954 720 100.0% 589 81.8% 129 18.0% 1 0.2%

The Blue Book's Table #27 was discontinued after 1954.

Hope this helps, Tim Gilbert

Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jim;
Those are numbers for total production of those types, so they could be
generally (with some small rate of attrition applied) applied to any
timeframe after the finish of production (which I do not know with certainty,
but only the PS-1's would be 50's or later, right?).

My timeframe is early 60's, but the car numbers would apply to whatever
number you come up with for your timeframe. Obviously, total box car numbers
were fewer in my timeframe than most of you, as the sixties were a period of
mass scrapings of older types like X29's and wooden cars.

I'd be interested to see what the percentages of wooden cars were, SS and DS,
and individual "signature" cars, for different timeframes.


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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Elden,

607,000 boxcars seems an awfully low total for Boxcars - at least through 1960. The 1960 ICC Annual Report on Statistics for US Railways (which Jim Singer & Greg Martin finally discovered in the June 2006 KEYSTONE MODELER, but can be abbreviated to "the Blue Books") reported that there were 637,829 General Service Boxcars (XM, LC, XI, XME, VA, VM & VS) and 54,900 Special Service Boxcars (XAP, XAR, XML, XMR, XT) owned by Class I RR's on December 31, 1960. On Dec. 31, 1955, it was 661,194 general service and 57,756 special service - There were over a million boxcars owned in the 1920's. Better Operating Practices cut this to about 720-730,000 by 1941 - a level which was maintained approximately until 1959-1960.

What is missing from your totals are the Boxcars built to the 1923 Design dimension (8' 7" IH) including the X29; wood sheathed cars either single or double sheathed which still comprised about 18% of the US Class I Boxcar fleet on 12/31/1954 - down from 29% in 1950, 48% in 1945 & 62% in 1940; proprietary boxcars designs developed by individual RR's like the PRR X31's. This last category might include rebuilds, too.

So please be more specific about the date of your survey. Also, you used many sources - what were they?

Tim Gilbert


Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

I did a little addition over the weekend, to see if I could figure out the
actual numbers and percentages of certain box car types we all find
interesting. I used many of the sources you all have developed. I thought
you might find the results of interest. I would imagine many of us might
have over-, or under-representation of one or more of these car types on our
layouts.

ARA '32 - 14,180

AAR '37 - 89,578

Modified AAR '37 (5/5 Dread Ends) - 43,565

AAR '44 10'4"-10'6" (w/4/4 IDEs) - 73,397

PS-1 40' - 75,070

PS-1 50' - 20,332

For my time period, this works out to approx. 2.3, 14.8, 7.2, 12.1, 12.4, and
3.4% of the entire fleet of U.S. boxcars in service (approx. 607,000 in my
timeframe), or approx. 52% of the total (retirements of these types were <1%
by my timeframe).

What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?

I am looking forward to a healthy debate!

Regards,

Elden Gatwood


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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Doug Brown <g.brown1@...>
 

Eldon, another 9-10% of the total were either PRR X29 or NYC USRA-derivative
steel box cars. USRA DS (25000) and SS (25000) boxcars and rebuilds thereof
totaled as much as 8.2%. Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 1:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Numbers/percentages of important box car types



Hi folks;

I did a little addition over the weekend, to see if I could figure out the
actual numbers and percentages of certain box car types we all find
interesting. I used many of the sources you all have developed. I thought
you might find the results of interest. I would imagine many of us might
have over-, or under-representation of one or more of these car types on our
layouts.

ARA '32 - 14,180

AAR '37 - 89,578

Modified AAR '37 (5/5 Dread Ends) - 43,565

AAR '44 10'4"-10'6" (w/4/4 IDEs) - 73,397

PS-1 40' - 75,070

PS-1 50' - 20,332

For my time period, this works out to approx. 2.3, 14.8, 7.2, 12.1, 12.4,
and
3.4% of the entire fleet of U.S. boxcars in service (approx. 607,000 in my
timeframe), or approx. 52% of the total (retirements of these types were <1%
by my timeframe).

What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?

I am looking forward to a healthy debate!

Regards,

Elden Gatwood


Re: C&O Box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/co/co14955alr.jpg
Would 14704 be a car like this one? And would it have looked
like this in 1954?
Al Brown already answered the roster question -- but note
there was a subtle change in the For Progress logo from when
it first appeared in the late 1940's. Originally the line of
"smoke" was cloud-like with wavy lines. The above photo shows
the later, diesel-era emblem, and the line of smoke is now a
straight line. I am not sure of the date of this change. Red
Caboose did some cars decorated in the For Progress scheme
with the original emblem.

Tim O'Connor


Re: PFE "Daylight" Orange

Paul Nunes <pstonecastle@...>
 

Well I have found that both the orange & red
colors will vary greatly both on models by different
manufactures & also on prototype equipment in pics &
in real life. How much change in hue on prototype
equipment is due to fading as opposed to newer paint
jobs, I dont know. A recent tour of the Sac shops with
some daylight equipment inside reveals orange paint on
the #7070 crane that is almost a tan color and the
newer painted restored #6051 diesel that is much more
deep orange in color. I have found Floquil reefer
orange probably looks right on models but Poly Scale
Daylight Orange is more on the flat tan/orange side &
maybe is actually a closer match and Poly Scale reefer
orange is somewhere between the other two, so who
knows. Obviously the model manufactures dont have a
clue cause they are all over the place and for the
most part, it all looks ok & no one
complains.....Paul(spsmoke)




--- Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
wrote:

Jerry Dziedzic wrote:
Does Floquil Daylight Orange match this
satisfactorily? The old Tichy
kit and more recent Sunshine kits cite a Floquil
mix of 90% Daylight
Orange and 10% Reefer Yellow. This looks kind of
pale to me, compared
with the chip in Tony's PFE book.
Jerry, the Floquil version used to be quite
good. Their
variability from batch to batch, however, makes me
doubtful whether I
can offer a generalization about all Floquil.
Someone with a current
bottle could perhaps respond.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,
Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@...
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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?

The PRR X29 (~28,000 cars in 1950) and X31 (~8,000 cars in 1950) cars for
starters.

Dave Nelson


Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Jim;
Those are numbers for total production of those types, so they could be
generally (with some small rate of attrition applied) applied to any
timeframe after the finish of production (which I do not know with certainty,
but only the PS-1's would be 50's or later, right?).

My timeframe is early 60's, but the car numbers would apply to whatever
number you come up with for your timeframe. Obviously, total box car numbers
were fewer in my timeframe than most of you, as the sixties were a period of
mass scrapings of older types like X29's and wooden cars.

I'd be interested to see what the percentages of wooden cars were, SS and DS,
and individual "signature" cars, for different timeframes.

Take care,

Elden

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of James
Fellows
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:22 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Eldon,

What time frame are you looking at? Alo, no mention of anything other then
steel sided cars. Neat info.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Numbers/percentages of important box car types


Hi folks;

I did a little addition over the weekend, to see if I could figure out the
actual numbers and percentages of certain box car types we all find
interesting. I used many of the sources you all have developed. I thought
you might find the results of interest. I would imagine many of us might
have over-, or under-representation of one or more of these car types on
our
layouts.

ARA '32 - 14,180

AAR '37 - 89,578

Modified AAR '37 (5/5 Dread Ends) - 43,565

AAR '44 10'4"-10'6" (w/4/4 IDEs) - 73,397

PS-1 40' - 75,070

PS-1 50' - 20,332

For my time period, this works out to approx. 2.3, 14.8, 7.2, 12.1, 12.4,
and
3.4% of the entire fleet of U.S. boxcars in service (approx. 607,000 in my
timeframe), or approx. 52% of the total (retirements of these types were
<1%
by my timeframe).

What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?

I am looking forward to a healthy debate!

Regards,

Elden Gatwood

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Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

James Fellows
 

Eldon,

What time frame are you looking at? Alo, no mention of anything other then steel sided cars. Neat info.

Jim Fellows

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Numbers/percentages of important box car types


Hi folks;

I did a little addition over the weekend, to see if I could figure out the
actual numbers and percentages of certain box car types we all find
interesting. I used many of the sources you all have developed. I thought
you might find the results of interest. I would imagine many of us might
have over-, or under-representation of one or more of these car types on our
layouts.

ARA '32 - 14,180

AAR '37 - 89,578

Modified AAR '37 (5/5 Dread Ends) - 43,565

AAR '44 10'4"-10'6" (w/4/4 IDEs) - 73,397

PS-1 40' - 75,070

PS-1 50' - 20,332

For my time period, this works out to approx. 2.3, 14.8, 7.2, 12.1, 12.4, and
3.4% of the entire fleet of U.S. boxcars in service (approx. 607,000 in my
timeframe), or approx. 52% of the total (retirements of these types were <1%
by my timeframe).

What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?

I am looking forward to a healthy debate!

Regards,

Elden Gatwood


Numbers/percentages of important box car types

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Hi folks;



I did a little addition over the weekend, to see if I could figure out the
actual numbers and percentages of certain box car types we all find
interesting. I used many of the sources you all have developed. I thought
you might find the results of interest. I would imagine many of us might
have over-, or under-representation of one or more of these car types on our
layouts.



ARA '32 - 14,180

AAR '37 - 89,578

Modified AAR '37 (5/5 Dread Ends) - 43,565

AAR '44 10'4"-10'6" (w/4/4 IDEs) - 73,397

PS-1 40' - 75,070

PS-1 50' - 20,332



For my time period, this works out to approx. 2.3, 14.8, 7.2, 12.1, 12.4, and
3.4% of the entire fleet of U.S. boxcars in service (approx. 607,000 in my
timeframe), or approx. 52% of the total (retirements of these types were <1%
by my timeframe).



What other important box car types, both numerically and in terms of other
significance, are missing from this list?



I am looking forward to a healthy debate!



Regards,



Elden Gatwood


Re: Not quite Sherman Hill, but......

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Phil Buchwald wrote:
"I was looking at the Library of Congress search page when I found
this interesting photo:

Go to site:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/fsacquery.html

Cut and paste into the search window:
Santa Fe R.R. freight train about to leave for the West Coast from
Corwith yard, Chicago, Ill.

It isn't the UP, but didn't the Santa Fe go to the west coast? And
what is that car behind the 3266?"

It's an N&W hopper, all right (plus two other unidentified hopper
cars) but it's a bit of a stretch to assume that they're going all the
way out to LA, San Diego, or Emeryville based on a photo taken in
Chicago, no matter what the caption of the photo.

Note also the PRR Class X31A boxcar behind the cut of hoppers.


Ben Hom


Re: PFE "Daylight" Orange

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Jerry Dziedzic wrote:
Does Floquil Daylight Orange match this satisfactorily? The old Tichy
kit and more recent Sunshine kits cite a Floquil mix of 90% Daylight
Orange and 10% Reefer Yellow. This looks kind of pale to me, compared
with the chip in Tony's PFE book.
Jerry, the Floquil version used to be quite good. Their variability from batch to batch, however, makes me doubtful whether I can offer a generalization about all Floquil. Someone with a current bottle could perhaps respond.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Need Link-Belt Crane Drawing - Ed Gebhardt M. R. April, 1961

Lars Svanevik <svanevil@...>
 

Hi Tom, I have had excellent results ordering photocopies from Model Railroader. There telephone number is 1-800-533-6644. Their photocopy charges are very reasonable.

HTH, Lars Svanevik

________________________________

From: STMFC@... on behalf of Tom Houle
Sent: Sun 6/11/2006 7:37 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Need Link-Belt Crane Drawing - Ed Gebhardt M. R. April, 1961



Seeking good clean undistorted photocopy or preferably a copy of the
April, 1961 M. R. in which Ed Gebhardt's drawing of a 1920 Link-Belt
crane appeared. I also need photos and any prototype history.
Objective: build an O scale version of this neat looking self-powered
crane car and document it in a construction article. Also, might do a
Styrene master for casting in resin.
Please respond off-line.
Thanks,
Tom Houle


Re: Need Link-Belt Crane Drawing - Ed Gebhardt M. R. April, 1961

Lars Svanevik <svanevil@...>
 

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Subject: [STMFC] Need Link-Belt Crane Drawing - Ed Gebhardt M. R. April, 1961



Seeking good clean undistorted photocopy or preferably a copy of the
April, 1961 M. R. in which Ed Gebhardt's drawing of a 1920 Link-Belt
crane appeared. I also need photos and any prototype history.
Objective: build an O scale version of this neat looking self-powered
crane car and document it in a construction article. Also, might do a
Styrene master for casting in resin.
Please respond off-line.
Thanks,
Tom Houle


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Seaboard steam era stock cars/Pratt truss stock cars

ed_mines
 

Anyone see a photo or drawing of one of these rare cars? What do they
look like?

The dimensions in the equipment registers are near identical to the
classic single sheathed Pratt truss SAL box cars.

Did any railroads have Pratt trussed stock cars besides PM or the old
Ulrich model?


Ed


Re: Numbers/percentages of important box car types

aikenair@...
 

What is your time frame?

Don Barnes

141741 - 141760 of 196850