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Re: Decaling issues

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I¹ve never used anything else (Solvaset) on any brand decal, and never a
problem. What¹s the issue?
--

Brian Ehni



From: scottp3212000 <scottp459@earthlink.net>
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Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:16:31 -0000
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Decaling issues





I thought about pretending it's on a freight car, but it would have
looked suspicious when I mentioned the main problem is with set L-53
(Globe Extended alphabet, Dulux Gold) !!!
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"scottp3212000" <scottp459@...> wrote:

Where's a good place to discuss decaling techniques, especially
regarding the various solvents? I ask because of a problem I'm
having
with Champ decals and Walthers Solvaset, a combination I've used
many
times with at least A- results, and in this case it's D+ results.
(But it's not on a freight car.)

Scott Pitzer





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Re: Westerfield's retirement

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Andy - Actually, I have supplied the data in the sheets to others for use in their books and articles so there wouldn't be much point in putting it all together. And the reports of my retirement are premature. Since selling the business is my retirement program I could be working for some years yet. - Al

----- Original Message -----
From: Miller, Andrew S.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield's retirement


Al,

Before you retire, have you considered compiling all the supplemental
data sheets for your freight car kits into a book (or CD) and
publishing it?

regards,

Andy Miller


Re: Decaling issues

Scott Pitzer
 

I thought about pretending it's on a freight car, but it would have
looked suspicious when I mentioned the main problem is with set L-53
(Globe Extended alphabet, Dulux Gold) !!!
Scott Pitzer

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "scottp3212000" <scottp459@...> wrote:

Where's a good place to discuss decaling techniques, especially
regarding the various solvents? I ask because of a problem I'm
having
with Champ decals and Walthers Solvaset, a combination I've used
many
times with at least A- results, and in this case it's D+ results.
(But it's not on a freight car.)

Scott Pitzer


Re: Westerfield's retirement

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

I think MM's report of Al Westerfield "retiring" is a bit overstated. I
read Al's letter to mean he is cutting back.

I have always been amazed that one man (with the help of Mrs. W of
course) could create, manufacture, market and maintain such an extensive
line of thoroughly researched and accurate models . This is truly a
life's work for which we all will be indebted for many years to come.

Mont Switzer

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Miller, Andrew S.
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:02 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield's retirement

Al,

Before you retire, have you considered compiling all the supplemental
data sheets for your freight car kits into a book (or CD) and
publishing it?

regards,

Andy Miller











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Decaling issues

Scott Pitzer
 

Where's a good place to discuss decaling techniques, especially
regarding the various solvents? I ask because of a problem I'm having
with Champ decals and Walthers Solvaset, a combination I've used many
times with at least A- results, and in this case it's D+ results.
(But it's not on a freight car.)

Scott Pitzer


M&STL in RMC

Montford Switzer <ZOE@...>
 

The latest RMC has a nice summary of the M&STL post WWII forty foot
steel boxcar fleet thanks to Clark Propst. Very good prototype and
modeling information with quality prototype and model photos. If you
need to model these cars this article will do it for you. Thanks to
Clark for his work in this area. Mont Switzer


Westerfield's retirement

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Al,

Before you retire, have you considered compiling all the supplemental
data sheets for your freight car kits into a book (or CD) and
publishing it?

regards,

Andy Miller


SOO Line 816

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I have a 1959 set out list which includes SOO 816. I asked about the
car on the SOO YAhoo group.

Dennis gave the reply below. Can anyone from this group shed a
little more light on this series of cars? Thanks
Clark Propst

The Soo had a bunch of junker boxcars on lease
from US Railway Equipment Co. during the late fifties, numbered 450 -
1048, even numbers, I think. A 1962 roster shows 251 of them still on
the property. This was a real mixed bag of cars, possibly no two were
alike; there were steel sheathed USRA rebuilds, 40" double door cars
with the left door sealed, all sorts of wierd things the Soo never
had, all in full "boxcar block" SOO LINE lettering. I don't know when
the lease began, or exactly when it ended; they are in the 1958 ORER
but not in the 1953. Car 578 is a USRA rebuild with a scale date of
7-55, 764 was a double door car with Hutchens ends. 816 could be just
about anything. They only thing that can be said for sure, lacking a
photo, is that it's a 40' steel boxcar.


Dennis Storzek


Re: The NMRA Convention - Any Announcements?

SamClarke
 

Hello Mr. Becket and list,

Kadee Quality Products was giving out samples of our up coming short, medium, and long shank "whisker" spring "scale head" (#58) couplers. They'll be released early October, hopefully. Dr. Denny Anspach had some samples we sent him prior to the show.
I have noticed very few comments about the NMRA Philly show on this list as well as elsewhere.

Sam Clarke
Kadee Quality Products

----- Original Message -----
From: Beckert, Shawn
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 12:52 PM
Subject: [STMFC] The NMRA Convention - Any Announcements?


List,

Other than Intermountain's rib-side boxcar, not much has been said
about new products showing up at the NMRA 06' Convention in
Philadelphia last week. Were any other new kits announced, or any
new products worthy of attention?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


new "Mainline Modeler"

ed_mines
 

The new issue of "Mainline Modeler" has some real interesting articles
including photos and plans for a VGN low side gon.

There's a photo article about weathered freight cars that I thought
was fantastic. The cars are mostly modern and the models are standard,
run of the mill screw driver kits. The exaggerated thickness of the
grab irons detracts for the realism but on a few of the cars without
these distractions the realism is electrifying. Two very noteworthy
pictures are of a car with coil hoods and a flat with a truck trailer.
It was hard to tell if they were real or models!

And Al Westerfield is looking to retire. Say it isn't so Al!

Ed


F&C AC&F Type 11 tank car

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

I received one of Funaro & Camerlengo's "PRR TM8 8000 gallon ACF Type 7 tank car" models in the mail the other day.

I had ordered it because I thought it might be useful for modelling some older Canadian cars. In particular there was at least one series of OCS cars owned by CPR of very similar design. I was hoping to use this kit with only a few modifications, but neglected to notice that F&C's cars are supposed to be 8000 US gallon cars, whereas cars in lot 7323 purchased by the CPR were 8,000 Imperial Gallons! Oops!

Still, I wonder whether CPR had 8000 US gallon cars on the roster. The photos I have of these early cars don't have sufficient clarity to read the gallonage off the car side, and I know of no other sources for this info. For example, the 1938 MP 14, for example, at the CP Historical Association (formerly CP SIG) library <http://www.cpsig.ca/cpdocs/main.asp> only provides weight based capacity info.

From the Mercantile Library in St. Louis, I have photocopies of shots of CPR cars:
- CP389489 (8370 Imp. Gal., 10,044 US Gal.) - lot 7323, listed on the AC&F list as 40T SU Tank cars (not sure what SU stands for);
- CP300900 (with some sort of external pump mounted along the end sill) - lot 6661A,
- CP300901 (with a scaffold/rack on one end sill)- lot 6661B,
- CP89717 (in creosote service) - lot 6440B,
- CP89647, lot 6440A
all of which have the Type 7 frame/bolster casting but are otherwise very similar to the Type 11 PRR cars.

There are also photos of lot 7199 & 7524 cars, PGE X54 and X58 - both Type 7's - with CAPY of 10041 and 10043 gallons each.

Some in-service shots (poor quality and arguable ID's) can be found at City of Vancouver Archives
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/ctyclerk/archives/notdream/ws_scan.htm , by searching for photo CVA 447-187, and at Vancouver Public Library <http://www3.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca/spe/histphotos/photos-search.htm> by searching for photo 30290.

I've read enough times on this list that the capacity of cars is based on the trucks, not the actual capacity of the rest of the car, so its no guide to the size of the tanks. Yet I wonder.... The CPR cars in 1938 listed these series:
series date built CP EO # capacity reported length over sills
389467 & 389469 1912 1296 100000 31' 7 1/2"
389471-389499 1913 1466 80000 31' 7 1/2"
389501-389679 1912 1227 80000 32' 7 1/2"
389681-389719 1912 1268 80000 32' 7 1/2"
389801-389919 1911 1093 100000 35' 5"
389953-389989 1911 1002 80000 35' 5"

Of course, as noted above, CP389489 is stencilled as a nominal 10000 gallon car, so that busts that wild guess!

For modellers, my rough comparison of dimensions essentially confirms the F&C tank is roughly 8000 US gallons. The diameter of the tank is nearly that of the Titchy 10000 US Gallon USRA design/model, but the length is about 4 feet shorter. The Old Timer Roundhouse tank, which I think is about 6500 US Gallons, is roughly the same diameter, but an additional 1.5 feet shorter than the F&C. (None of these dimensions are exact - I am just holding one model against another and eye-balling the differences).

So now I have three questions:
1) Was the AC&F Type 11 frame for an 8000 gallon tank the same (with different cradle / saddle) as or smaller than the frame for the 10,000 gallon tank? I.e. can I use the frame (modified a little) and substitute a new tank? Whether yes or no, are there any dimensions available for the 10000 gallon frames and tanks?
2) Does anyone know whether any of CPR's cars of the type 7 and 11 designs were 8000 gallon cars?
3) Assuming there is no good CPR prototype for the F&C car, any ideas of 8000 US gallon type 7 or 11 tank cars used in Canada?

By the way, from what I see in prototype photos, the bottom horizontal course of the tank is supposed to be one sheet of steel. The model mistakenly includes radial seams and rivet rows across this course. Oops! I expect this error can be fixed with some sanding and putty.


Rob Kirkham


Re: Great Movie

Frank Fertitta <frank1357@...>
 

Thanks for the heads up about this movie. It should be on the must see list for Southern Pacific steam fans.

I thought it was interesting that they were using 2-8-0s on reefer blocks and a light Pacific on a work extra. 0-6-0 switcher 1231 was prominent in one shot.

Frank

Jim Williams <wwww5960@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jeff....I got it on my DVR.....Lots of fun, great SP shots....Thanks for the heads up......Jim Williams

JEFFREY LEAMAN <RRsafety1@msn.com> wrote: I know this is kind of late, but I wanted to get the word out about a great old movie that will be shown tomorrow morning from 7:45 a to 9 am on Turner Classic Movies (Channel 73 on Comcast) It's called "Other Men's Women" and it was made in 1931. The plot has to do with an engineer and his fireman and the engineer's wife. It was filmed on live steam freight trains and includes an actual staged sideswipe collision between two trains. It also seems that this might be one of James Gagney's first movie roles as he is definitely in the picture but give little in any credit.

This is must watch on the order of some earlier railroad movies; lame plots but real action among real working trains.

Hope you see this before it's two late.

Jeff Leaman




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Re: Article On Santa Fe's Rebuilt Reefers

tyesac@...
 

In a message dated 7/17/2006 9:27:10 AM Central Daylight Time,
tgmadden@worldnet.att.net writes:
Ted Culotta wrote:

Also, it's hard to say it in the
article, but I LOVE these new Sunshine kits. Sometimes a model just
strikes one's fancy and these hit me from the moment I saw the
castings. Charlie Slater is really to be commended for his efforts.
Well, gee, Ted - thanks a lot! That pretty well assures they'll all be
gone by the time I arrive at the Amarillo convention Friday morning!

Tom Madden
Tom,

You'd have about an equal chance at the Napperville RPM in October as well.

In other words, about the same as the "bait" in a shark feeding frenzy!

Tom C


Re: UP box cars summary

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Ed,

Appendix C in Terry Metcalfe's UNION PACIFIC FREIGHT CARS 1936-1951 is a photocopy of the UP's pages (424-438) of the January 1st, 1946 ORER.

Of the 26,526 boxcars listed, 22,423 were "XM's," 1,902 were "XA's," 208 were "XAP's," and 1,903 were "XAR's." In addition, there were 128 "BX's" which were not considered to be freight cars. 19,003 of the 26,526 boxcars had UP marks; 4,704 with OSL's; 2,653 with the OWR&N's; 165 with the LA&SL's; and one with the SJ&GI's. 3,856 of the 26,526 were fifty-footers; 22,668 were forty foot; and there were two boxcars having an inside length of 34' 1".

Tim Gilbert

ed_mines wrote:

Could someone describe UP's box car fleet circa 1946?

I know they had some double sheathed box cars like the ones
Westerfield offers and "standard" 1937 10' IH box cars like Red
Caboose offers.

The ORERs show they have a lot of cars with in IH (inner height) of
about 9 ft. Were these double sheathed or steel cars? What kinds of
ends and roofs did they have?

There's a photo a a UP double sheathed in the 1931 CBC reprint which
shows a herald like the ones on PFE reefers. How long did that last?

What % of box cars were marked for subsidiaries like OSL?


Re: Great Movie

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

Jeff....I got it on my DVR.....Lots of fun, great SP shots....Thanks for the heads up......Jim Williams

JEFFREY LEAMAN <RRsafety1@msn.com> wrote: I know this is kind of late, but I wanted to get the word out about a great old movie that will be shown tomorrow morning from 7:45 a to 9 am on Turner Classic Movies (Channel 73 on Comcast) It's called "Other Men's Women" and it was made in 1931. The plot has to do with an engineer and his fireman and the engineer's wife. It was filmed on live steam freight trains and includes an actual staged sideswipe collision between two trains. It also seems that this might be one of James Gagney's first movie roles as he is definitely in the picture but give little in any credit.

This is must watch on the order of some earlier railroad movies; lame plots but real action among real working trains.

Hope you see this before it's two late.

Jeff Leaman








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Re: The NMRA Convention - Any Announcements?

Rich Yoder
 

Hi Shawn,
I announced a new model in 1:20.3 scale.
The EBT # 14 Mikado.The pilot Model of the engine only
can be seen on my web site.
www.richyodermodels.com

Sincerely, Rich Yoder

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@disney.com>

List,

Other than Intermountain's rib-side boxcar, not much has been said
about new products showing up at the NMRA 06' Convention in
Philadelphia last week. Were any other new kits announced, or any
new products worthy of attention?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


The NMRA Convention - Any Announcements?

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Other than Intermountain's rib-side boxcar, not much has been said
about new products showing up at the NMRA 06' Convention in
Philadelphia last week. Were any other new kits announced, or any
new products worthy of attention?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Re: Article On Santa Fe's Rebuilt Reefers

Paul Lyons
 

I have built almost all of the Sunshine kits which have Charlie Slater's masters and they are the best kits Martin has ever produced.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: tculotta@speedwitch.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: RE: [STMFC] Article On Santa Fe's Rebuilt Reefers


There is an error in the text of the captions on page 95. It should be
"Rr-43" not "Rr-45" as stated. Also, it's hard to say it in the
article, but I LOVE these new Sunshine kits. Sometimes a model just
strikes one's fancy and these hit me from the moment I saw the
castings. Charlie Slater is really to be commended for his efforts.

Regards,
Ted Culotta

Speedwitch Media
645 Tanner Marsh Road, Guilford, CT 06437
info@speedwitch.com
www.speedwitch.com
(650) 787-1912



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Re: REP Morris Rifkin & Son refrigerator cars

Thomas Baker
 

Richard,

Thank you for resonding to my inquiry about Morris Rifkin & Son refrigerator cars. As I said, I have a JEPG of #5100. From the angle of photography it appeared to me as a 35/37-foot car. Shows how an angle can be deceptive. I am trying to do this car S-scale. That means I will be scratch-building the car. I have begun and have the body completed.

Do you know how I can obtain a clear image of the photo. Its quality is good, but transmission over the internet does blur some things. Above the doors, for example, I read: "Beef Rails, then something else but illegible. I also cannot determine the dimensional data on the right hand side and the lettering near the bottom of the right side and closer to the doors than to the ladder.

Thank you very much for your kind assistance.

Tom


UP box cars summary

ed_mines
 

Could someone describe UP's box car fleet circa 1946?

I know they had some double sheathed box cars like the ones
Westerfield offers and "standard" 1937 10' IH box cars like Red
Caboose offers.

The ORERs show they have a lot of cars with in IH (inner height) of
about 9 ft. Were these double sheathed or steel cars? What kinds of
ends and roofs did they have?

There's a photo a a UP double sheathed in the 1931 CBC reprint which
shows a herald like the ones on PFE reefers. How long did that last?

What % of box cars were marked for subsidiaries like OSL?

Ed

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