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K Brake rebuilding to AB brakes on tank cars after 1954 bans

oliver
 

As I understand it, K brakes were banned in interchange on tank cars
as of October 1, 1953 and had a final ban (returning cars)by January
1, 1954.

Is there evidence that there was a large scale rebuilding of tank cars
to equip them with AB brakes at this time or were many of the cars
scrapped then?

Was there any "grace" period?

By 1954-55 should I expect to be running only AB equipped tank cars
(since interchanged privately owned cars predominate)?


Stefan


Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

ljack70117@...
 

On the UN PAC the main trains used cabooses for the train crew. The military had their people in the cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...

On Aug 21, 2006, at 11:42 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.

Since these trains went from railroad to railroad, frequently with
off road equipment, I hope Mike will pass this post.

There was quite a bit of train action but no memorable freight cars.

I found two things noteworthy. Jim and Mrs. Seacrist contibuted
money for the program. Anyone else have any dealing with Jim? He
advertised for old HO freight car models for years in MR's
classifieds. Then he went to O gauge.

They showed one train consisting of 2 troop sleepers, 2 conventional
passenger cars and a caboose. I wonder how the caboose fit in?

Seeing this program I was proud to be an American.

Ed






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Re: caboose on troop trains

Thomas Baker
 

On some railroads, a caboose was always tacked on to a troop train. Whether this was a practice on all roads is a question some might be able to answer.

Tom

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Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.
In 2003, Bob Greene, a columnist for one of the Chicago papers, wrote a book about the North Platte Canteen - "Once Upon A Town - The Miracle of the North Platte Canteen." The book has no photos, and may be scarce on trains, as it is more stories about the women who served and the soldiers who passed through. The book and audio tape is available new and used after searching http://bookfinder.com/ for author "Bob Greene" and title "Once upon a Town - the Miracle of the North Platte Canteen." Prices start at just over $10.00 for a new book, but under $5.00 for both the used book or audio tape.

Tim Gilbert


Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:42 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.
They showed one train consisting of 2 troop sleepers, 2 conventional
passenger cars and a caboose. I wonder how the caboose fit in?
Ed,

There are several possibilities -
1) The cars were so full of troops that the train crew needed the extra space.
2) The cars may have been destined to be dropped somewhere and the train crew needed a place to rid for the trip back.
3) The train may have been carrying additional freight cars with equipment, or due to pick up freight cars with equipment and the caboose would have carried the markers (and rear end crew) behind those cars. Note that after early 1943 this "mixed" MAIN was unusual but certainly possible.
4) It may just have been a convenient way to get a caboose where it was needed as the MAIN doesn't sound like it was even close to tonnage <G>.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: LN 49502

Michael Aufderheide
 

Thanks Bill!

The photo I have shows no locks on the side, but it does look like its been recently shopped. The car has fresh paint and patch panels on the lower part of 5 out of 9 panels.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

lnbill <bwelch@...> wrote: The L&N gons, of which there were almost 10,000, had six doors in the
floor, with Enterprize door locks on the side, which means the floor
is not at all like the NC&StL car. The ends of the cars were like the
NC&StL cars. The L&N examples were more like the Southern's some
5,000 gons, except the Southern examples had Dreadnaught ends, while
the L&N had a plate end with riveted horizontal reinforcing ribs.

I believe there is a good likelihood that we will see resin kits for
both the L&N and Southern high-side gons in the near furture.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., Mike Aufderheide <mononinmonon@...>
wrote:
>
> Hello All:
>
> At the Lake Region RPM a few weeks I got a photo from Bob's of LN
49502, a steel gon with 8 rib, 9 panels, IL 40'-6" and 1765 cu ft
capy. Reweighed 5-56. The reason this car caught my eye is that
along with the 8 ribs it has the USRA-like extension of the four
center ribs below the side sill....charactoristics it shares with the
Monon 3000 series cars, albeit that the MON cars are 18" longer and
have different ends. Finally the question: does anyone know if
these cars were simliar to the NC&StL cars that Sunshine is bringing
out this fall? If so I'll get one, if not, it will make a nice
little kitbash of the Boas/Switzer Monon car that just came out.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike
>
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WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

ed_mines
 

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.

Since these trains went from railroad to railroad, frequently with
off road equipment, I hope Mike will pass this post.

There was quite a bit of train action but no memorable freight cars.

I found two things noteworthy. Jim and Mrs. Seacrist contibuted
money for the program. Anyone else have any dealing with Jim? He
advertised for old HO freight car models for years in MR's
classifieds. Then he went to O gauge.

They showed one train consisting of 2 troop sleepers, 2 conventional
passenger cars and a caboose. I wonder how the caboose fit in?

Seeing this program I was proud to be an American.

Ed


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

oliver
 

Go here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&ih=010&item=200018210064&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

cheers
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote:

Anyone know where I might locate a couple of LL P2K Kanotex cars?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red
and
black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering.
I believe the red and black lettering version is the one I am looking
for. I understand that the all black lettering was post WWII.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red
and
black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering.
I believe the red and black lettering version is the one I am looking
for. I understand that the all black lettering was post WWII.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red
and
black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering.
I believe the red and black lettering version is the one I am looking
for. I understand that the all black lettering was post WWII.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Skellysolve UTLX X-3

Jerry Dziedzic
 

Assembly of one of Sunshine's Skellysolve X-3's is underway. I'm
thinking ahead to paint.

According to the PDS and the photo contained, I'll paint the bottom
part of the tank black and the remainder, including each end and the
dome, aluminum. The photo suggests that the top of the dome is painted
a different color than aluminum.

Any one have info about the dome top, or info that corrects what I've
just described?

Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ


Re: Three Dome Tank cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Well I spoke to soon. Looking through my brass pictures I find a 3 dome car from Sunset (brass of course) that's looks to be either 6K or 8K. Also found one from OMI that has a larger center dome but it looks to be 10K. There might be others but probably brass and hard to either find or purchase.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Three Dome Tank cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have a two dome (PSC I think) and I believe it's 8K but I don't know of any 3 domes cars that are correct. There were some high walk cars done (in brass) but believe they were 10K.
This would be a good plastic car for someone to do. As not being available in any material it would also fit the "cute" category and probably sell (well at least one run <G>).

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Three Dome Tank cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

Has anyone offered an 8,000 gal. three compartment, three dome tank
car in HO that would be appropriate for Kanotex cars in the 800 series?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Rob Adams
 

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red and black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering. Both show up on ebay frequently, and I think my local hobby shop also still has some. I'd be happy to check for you.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Jared Harper wrote:

Anyone know where I might locate a couple of LL P2K Kanotex cars?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

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Wellman, IA
steamera@...
Modeling CB&Q, CRI&P and Wabash operations in Keokuk, IA,
the Wabash Bluffs, IL to Keokuk branch, and the CB&Q's Keokuk & Western branch, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Off Topic--Need Help

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

I am trying to locate information regarding the Zimmerman Trucking
Company. In 1942-43 they were under contract to Santa Fe Trailways in
Kansas. I have a picture of a Zimmerman tractor and trailer backed up
to Santa Fe coach, baggage, and caboose car at Burlingame, KS. I want
to model this truck. Does anyone have any idea of where I might look
concerning the paint scheme for this truck? E-mail me off list.
Thanks.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

Anyone know where I might locate a couple of LL P2K Kanotex cars?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: General question about the assingment of boxcars to LCL service

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

N&W purchased five PS-1 40' boxcars with cushioned underframes for LCL service in 1954 and designated them Class B-8A. Here is a link:

http://spec.lib.vt.edu/imagebase/norfolksouthern/F1/NS3253.JPG

The stenciling to the left of the reporting marks says "Use This Car only in LCL Service on N&W."

I have no idea how LCL was handled on the N&W; the answer is hopefully buried somewhere in the NWHS archives.

Jim Brewer
www.pocahontasmodels.com


Re: General question about the assingment of boxcars to LCL service

Jeff English
 

--- In STMFC@..., Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...> wrote:

Did not the #175000 series arrive new in the Pacemaker red & gray
scheme
and complete stencils?
Absolutely not. They were delivered in the standard freight car red
scheme with complete stencils. I have plenty of photos in case
anybody doesn't believe this.

I believe that the #174000 series did not have
complete stencils in 1946-1948, but got them later when the NYC
deemed
that dedicated LCL cars were not worth while.
That's the point I was making, except with the caveat that we don't
know what the motivation actually was until we crack into the
company records.

englishintroy wrote:

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>,
"jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:

I believe the NYC Pacemaker cars were later given full data
lettering
precisely because they wandered off in interchange.
Or because NYC gave up the dedicated LCL service. Nobody knows
the
real reason until the NYCSHS archives can be penetrated. My most
recent inquiry into this was over a year ago, and it wasn't very
encouraging.

Jeff English



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