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Oil companies

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

Where can I look to find the relationships among some of the various
oil companies--Kanotex, Skelly, Sovereign, and Derby are the ones I am
mainly interested in.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


KCS 15500 to 15599 rebuilt boxcar

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I'm finishing the decals on Greg's car from the Cocoa Beach Clinic and was
wondering where the end initials and numbers go, on the top rib, above the
top rib, or someplace else.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: K Brake rebuilding to AB brakes on tank cars after 1954 bans

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

stefanelaine wrote:

As I understand it, K brakes were banned in interchange on tank cars
as of October 1, 1953 and had a final ban (returning cars)by January
1, 1954.

Is there evidence that there was a large scale rebuilding of tank cars
to equip them with AB brakes at this time or were many of the cars
scrapped then?

Was there any "grace" period?
Stefan,

It was in the early-to-mid 1930's that the ICC mandated the use of AB Brakes. All new freight cars built afterwards had to have AB Brake Systems. Freight Cars built prior to the Mandate were to be retrofitted with AB Brake Systems - IIRC, the first date was 1/1/1946. The date that this was to be accomplished kept being pushed back first due to the Depression, and then WW II.

Effectively, most of the retrofitting was started after WW II particularly in the late 1940's. Many roads had to examine their freight car fleets, and decide which cars built before the early 1930's were worth retrofitting, and what cars were not worth it. If you compare the freight car roster of any road as published in a WW II ORER with one in the early 1950's, you might be able to figure out which car series were not retrofitted as they had mostly disappeared from the 1950's ORER's.

Another guide to what car series were retrofitted is whether the cars were given post-War heralds and slogans - the shopping for the retrofit provided a dandy opportunity to repaint the car.

Tim Gilbert


Re: K Brake rebuilding to AB brakes on tank cars after 1954 bans

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Aug 21, 2006, at 1:19 PM, stefanelaine wrote:

As I understand it, K brakes were banned in interchange on tank cars
as of October 1, 1953 and had a final ban (returning cars)by January
1, 1954.

Is there evidence that there was a large scale rebuilding of tank cars
to equip them with AB brakes at this time or were many of the cars
scrapped then?
The appliction of AB equipment to most cars did not involve "rebuilding." Standard practice was to fit the AB cylinder onto the mounting where the KC cylinder/reservoir were originally installed and then add frame outriggers as needed to support the separate AB valve and reservoir. There are many photos of cars so modified. Notable exceptions were UTL's "Van Dyke" frameless tank cars, built early in the 20th century with heavy tank bottom sheets and no center sills. As the surviving "Van Dyke" cars were very old by 1953 and there was no simple way to attach AB equipment, they were retired without receiving AB brakes.

Was there any "grace" period?
No.

By 1954-55 should I expect to be running only AB equipped tank cars
(since interchanged privately owned cars predominate)?
Yes.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Oil companies

Charles Hladik
 

Jared,
There is a book titled "The Gas Station In America" that as I recall
listed all/most of the beginnings and mergers of oil companies up until 1990 or
so. Sorry, I don't remember author or publisher.
Chuck Hladik


Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

jaley <jaley@...>
 

On Aug 21, 12:29pm, ljack70117@... wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen
On the UN PAC the main trains used cabooses for the train crew. The
military had their people in the cars.
Larry,

I don't know about WWII, but by the early 1950's (Korean War era)
this was no longer true. There are many MAIN trains shown (in their
entirety!) on the UP outside of Fort Riley, KS in the DVD "Union Pacific
Steam Classics Volume 1" from Greg Scholl Video Productions. None of them
had cabooses.

Regards,

-Jeff


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K Brake rebuilding to AB brakes on tank cars after 1954 bans

oliver
 

As I understand it, K brakes were banned in interchange on tank cars
as of October 1, 1953 and had a final ban (returning cars)by January
1, 1954.

Is there evidence that there was a large scale rebuilding of tank cars
to equip them with AB brakes at this time or were many of the cars
scrapped then?

Was there any "grace" period?

By 1954-55 should I expect to be running only AB equipped tank cars
(since interchanged privately owned cars predominate)?


Stefan


Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

ljack70117@...
 

On the UN PAC the main trains used cabooses for the train crew. The military had their people in the cars.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...

On Aug 21, 2006, at 11:42 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.

Since these trains went from railroad to railroad, frequently with
off road equipment, I hope Mike will pass this post.

There was quite a bit of train action but no memorable freight cars.

I found two things noteworthy. Jim and Mrs. Seacrist contibuted
money for the program. Anyone else have any dealing with Jim? He
advertised for old HO freight car models for years in MR's
classifieds. Then he went to O gauge.

They showed one train consisting of 2 troop sleepers, 2 conventional
passenger cars and a caboose. I wonder how the caboose fit in?

Seeing this program I was proud to be an American.

Ed






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Re: caboose on troop trains

Thomas Baker
 

On some railroads, a caboose was always tacked on to a troop train. Whether this was a practice on all roads is a question some might be able to answer.

Tom

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Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.
In 2003, Bob Greene, a columnist for one of the Chicago papers, wrote a book about the North Platte Canteen - "Once Upon A Town - The Miracle of the North Platte Canteen." The book has no photos, and may be scarce on trains, as it is more stories about the women who served and the soldiers who passed through. The book and audio tape is available new and used after searching http://bookfinder.com/ for author "Bob Greene" and title "Once upon a Town - the Miracle of the North Platte Canteen." Prices start at just over $10.00 for a new book, but under $5.00 for both the used book or audio tape.

Tim Gilbert


Re: WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

Bruce Smith
 

On Aug 21, 2006, at 10:42 AM, ed_mines wrote:

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.
They showed one train consisting of 2 troop sleepers, 2 conventional
passenger cars and a caboose. I wonder how the caboose fit in?
Ed,

There are several possibilities -
1) The cars were so full of troops that the train crew needed the extra space.
2) The cars may have been destined to be dropped somewhere and the train crew needed a place to rid for the trip back.
3) The train may have been carrying additional freight cars with equipment, or due to pick up freight cars with equipment and the caboose would have carried the markers (and rear end crew) behind those cars. Note that after early 1943 this "mixed" MAIN was unusual but certainly possible.
4) It may just have been a convenient way to get a caboose where it was needed as the MAIN doesn't sound like it was even close to tonnage <G>.

Regards
Bruce

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Re: LN 49502

Michael Aufderheide
 

Thanks Bill!

The photo I have shows no locks on the side, but it does look like its been recently shopped. The car has fresh paint and patch panels on the lower part of 5 out of 9 panels.

Regards,

Mike Aufderheide

lnbill <bwelch@...> wrote: The L&N gons, of which there were almost 10,000, had six doors in the
floor, with Enterprize door locks on the side, which means the floor
is not at all like the NC&StL car. The ends of the cars were like the
NC&StL cars. The L&N examples were more like the Southern's some
5,000 gons, except the Southern examples had Dreadnaught ends, while
the L&N had a plate end with riveted horizontal reinforcing ribs.

I believe there is a good likelihood that we will see resin kits for
both the L&N and Southern high-side gons in the near furture.

Bill Welch

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wrote:
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> Hello All:
>
> At the Lake Region RPM a few weeks I got a photo from Bob's of LN
49502, a steel gon with 8 rib, 9 panels, IL 40'-6" and 1765 cu ft
capy. Reweighed 5-56. The reason this car caught my eye is that
along with the 8 ribs it has the USRA-like extension of the four
center ribs below the side sill....charactoristics it shares with the
Monon 3000 series cars, albeit that the MON cars are 18" longer and
have different ends. Finally the question: does anyone know if
these cars were simliar to the NC&StL cars that Sunshine is bringing
out this fall? If so I'll get one, if not, it will make a nice
little kitbash of the Boas/Switzer Monon car that just came out.
>
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>
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WWII troop trains/North Platt canteen

ed_mines
 

Last Friday night I taped a program on PBS about the canteen for
WWII soldiers in North Platt, Nebraska; the soldiers got off the
train when the locomotive took on coal and water and then reboarded
10 minutes later.

Since these trains went from railroad to railroad, frequently with
off road equipment, I hope Mike will pass this post.

There was quite a bit of train action but no memorable freight cars.

I found two things noteworthy. Jim and Mrs. Seacrist contibuted
money for the program. Anyone else have any dealing with Jim? He
advertised for old HO freight car models for years in MR's
classifieds. Then he went to O gauge.

They showed one train consisting of 2 troop sleepers, 2 conventional
passenger cars and a caboose. I wonder how the caboose fit in?

Seeing this program I was proud to be an American.

Ed


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

oliver
 

Go here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&ih=010&item=200018210064&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

cheers
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., "Jared Harper" <harper-brown@...> wrote:

Anyone know where I might locate a couple of LL P2K Kanotex cars?

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red
and
black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering.
I believe the red and black lettering version is the one I am looking
for. I understand that the all black lettering was post WWII.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red
and
black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering.
I believe the red and black lettering version is the one I am looking
for. I understand that the all black lettering was post WWII.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: P2K Kanotex cars

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Rob Adams <steamera@...> wrote:

Jared;

Which version are you looking for? LL did them originally with red
and
black Kanotex lettering, and later with all black lettering.
I believe the red and black lettering version is the one I am looking
for. I understand that the all black lettering was post WWII.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Skellysolve UTLX X-3

Jerry Dziedzic
 

Assembly of one of Sunshine's Skellysolve X-3's is underway. I'm
thinking ahead to paint.

According to the PDS and the photo contained, I'll paint the bottom
part of the tank black and the remainder, including each end and the
dome, aluminum. The photo suggests that the top of the dome is painted
a different color than aluminum.

Any one have info about the dome top, or info that corrects what I've
just described?

Jerry Dziedzic
Pattenburg, NJ


Re: Three Dome Tank cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Well I spoke to soon. Looking through my brass pictures I find a 3 dome car from Sunset (brass of course) that's looks to be either 6K or 8K. Also found one from OMI that has a larger center dome but it looks to be 10K. There might be others but probably brass and hard to either find or purchase.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Three Dome Tank cars

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I have a two dome (PSC I think) and I believe it's 8K but I don't know of any 3 domes cars that are correct. There were some high walk cars done (in brass) but believe they were 10K.
This would be a good plastic car for someone to do. As not being available in any material it would also fit the "cute" category and probably sell (well at least one run <G>).

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

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