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Re: pronunciation of gondola

Schuyler Larrabee
 

KEW-puh-luh.
Really? COOP-a luh here.

Now let's try CLERESTORY.
Not so OT, as someone pointed out. CLEAR-story.

SGL


Re: Muncie & Western Boxcar help

Ian Cranstone
 

Brian, the 10/57 ORER shows 75 cars in the series 1201-1275, so this
should render the 7/57 listing moot (I think I have that issue around
here too, but obviously not on the shelf where it belongs). I also
see 85 apparently identical cars listed as 1101-1185, and 26 taller
cars listed as 1276-1300.

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net

On 22-Sep-06, at 9:50 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

Thanks Ed, That's a bummer. Does anyone have the July or Oct 1957
copies to
check. My layout is set in August 1957.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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In a message dated 9/22/2006 5:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brian@... writes:




I made an impulse buy this week at the LHS, and picked up a
Mather Muncie
&
Western Boxcar. I've found 160 of them in my 1955 ORER but they
are not
in
my 1959 ORER. Can someone please check a late 1957 or early 1958
ORER to
see
if the 1200 series in listed. Thanks.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY







Brian

The Mather cars are not listed in the January 1958 ORER.

Ed Dabler P.E.







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Re: Muncie & Western Boxcar help

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Tim the 125 boxcars on the MWR in 1959 were steel cars in the 1301-1425
series, and leased from the Chicago Freight Car Leasing Co. They were not
Mather cars.

I don't see any Mather Box cars listed in North Americans 1959 ORER entries.


Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: new books

Tony Thompson
 

Eric Hansmann wrote:
Does anyone have this book? Other than the authors that is....

I ordered a copy in early August when I noted the on-line notice for the volume. Recent calls to the NMRA office inform me that they still have not received their shipment from the printer.

I anxiously await the arrival of my copy but am somewhat perplexed on the sales and shipping situation as I thought this was selling at the July convention in Philly.
Though announced for the Philadelphia NMRA national, it has been delayed several times. To my knowledge, it has not been delivered from the printer yet.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: DF ????????

Tony Thompson
 

Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
DF was a trademark of General American which I believe had the original patent for belt rails with interlocking bars across the car. Evans also was involved - don't recall its relationship with GA.
An interesting statement, as the articles in Railway Age announcing this new product referred to it as a product of Evans, not mentioning GATC.
Evans and General American teamed up to form the leasing company, General American-Evans, which were GATC-built cars with Evans DF loaders. The result was the GAEX cars of the 1950s. According to Railway Age, this was done to make the technology available to railroads for trial with leased cars, thus avoiding the need for commitment to purchase of a new technology until the system could be tried out.

The generic term used by the railroads, which you will see in the ORER and car service directives, is "load-protective device". That term also applied to the vertical inside door type devices, pne of which was the tradmark "Compartmentizer".
Pullman-Standard marketed the "Compartmentizer," while Pacific Car & Foundry beat them into the market with the "Car-Pac Loader," and Evans also had a single-door system called "DF-B" (for Bulkhead), different from the P-S system which had pairs of narrow, independent doors in each end of the car. And there were a couple of others, ALL of them "load-protective."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Muncie & Western Boxcar help

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Brian,

According to the 1959 MOODY'S TRANSPORTATION MANUAL, the Muncie & Western on 12/31/1958 (& 12/31/1962 per the 1963 MOODY's) owned two locomotives and leased 125 box cars from, I assume, Mather.

On April 27th, 1955, the North American Car Corp. acquired the Mather Humane Stock Transportation Co..

Apparently, the lease of the 125 boxcars was transferred to North American. Can you trace the M&W cars to North American in your ORER's?

Tim Gilbert

Brian J Carlson wrote:

Thanks Ed, That's a bummer. Does anyone have the July or Oct 1957 copies to
check. My layout is set in August 1957.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Muncie & Western Boxcar help


In a message dated 9/22/2006 5:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brian@... <mailto:brian%40bluemoon.net> writes:




I made an impulse buy this week at the LHS, and picked up a Mather
Muncie
&
Western Boxcar. I've found 160 of them in my 1955 ORER but they are not
in
my 1959 ORER. Can someone please check a late 1957 or early 1958 ORER to
see
if the 1200 series in listed. Thanks.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY







Brian

The Mather cars are not listed in the January 1958 ORER.

Ed Dabler P.E.






Yahoo! Groups Links









Re: Muncie & Western Boxcar help

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks Ed, That's a bummer. Does anyone have the July or Oct 1957 copies to
check. My layout is set in August 1957.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: <rrfaned@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Muncie & Western Boxcar help



In a message dated 9/22/2006 5:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brian@... writes:




I made an impulse buy this week at the LHS, and picked up a Mather Muncie
&
Western Boxcar. I've found 160 of them in my 1955 ORER but they are not
in
my 1959 ORER. Can someone please check a late 1957 or early 1958 ORER to
see
if the 1200 series in listed. Thanks.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY







Brian

The Mather cars are not listed in the January 1958 ORER.

Ed Dabler P.E.







Yahoo! Groups Links









Re: new books

Eric Hansmann <ehansmann@...>
 

Ed Mines wrote:

"How about the freight car book with photos taken in Harrisburg scheduled
for release at the last NMRA convention (or was it the convention before
that)?"

And Ben Hom wrote:

It's been out for a while - you can order it from the NMRA Company Store on
their website:
https://www.nmrastores.com/cgi/NMRA_Store_NonMembers/nmra-store.cgi?
ORDER_ID=316740150&thispage=page2.html&ACTION=NEXT+PAGE

==========================================


Does anyone have this book? Other than the authors that is....

I ordered a copy in early August when I noted the on-line notice for the
volume. Recent calls to the NMRA office inform me that they still have not
received their shipment from the printer.

I anxiously await the arrival of my copy but am somewhat perplexed on the
sales and shipping situation as I thought this was selling at the July
convention in Philly.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


Re: resin kit instructions

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

I missed the start of this thread, but I have just finished a Milwakee Box with a eight rung latter. The kit intends for you to cut and splice two of the provided latters together.....Best Jim Williams

william darnaby <WDarnaby@...> wrote:

On Sep 22, 2006, at 10:46 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Both
real cars have (if I can Count) 8 rung ladders, the kits only
include 7 rung ladders. There are only A end photos of the Santa Fe
car, so I don't know if I used the correct (kit supplied) hand brake
or not?
I used Detail Associates 8 rung ladders for the ATSF car and DesPlaines
Hobbies Canadian 8 rung ladders for the MP car. Just cut off the stirrup
steps from the Canadian ladders. I also used the Canadian ladders for the
Speedwitch SP box.

Bill Darnaby






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Re: Ambroid Intruction Sheet Needed

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Frank,

You might check with NMRA's Kalmbach Library. They have a substantial
collection of kit instructions.

CJ Riley

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Ambroid's 1 of 5000 #10 kit Speedy Poultry & Reefer car (not the
Livesay car). If anyone can make me a copy, I'll send them $1.00 for
their trouble and mailing. Please contact me directly at:
parkvarieties@... Thanks.
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Ambroid Intruction Sheet Needed

parkvarieties <parkvarieties@...>
 

I am in need of a full size copy of the instruction sheet for
Ambroid's 1 of 5000 #10 kit Speedy Poultry & Reefer car (not the
Livesay car). If anyone can make me a copy, I'll send them $1.00 for
their trouble and mailing. Please contact me directly at:
parkvarieties@... Thanks.
Frank Brua


Re: resin kit instructions

Bill Darnaby
 

On Sep 22, 2006, at 10:46 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Both
real cars have (if I can Count) 8 rung ladders, the kits only
include 7 rung ladders. There are only A end photos of the Santa Fe
car, so I don't know if I used the correct (kit supplied) hand brake
or not?
I used Detail Associates 8 rung ladders for the ATSF car and DesPlaines Hobbies Canadian 8 rung ladders for the MP car. Just cut off the stirrup steps from the Canadian ladders. I also used the Canadian ladders for the Speedwitch SP box.

Bill Darnaby


Muncie & Western Boxcar help

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

I made an impulse buy this week at the LHS, and picked up a Mather Muncie &
Western Boxcar. I've found 160 of them in my 1955 ORER but they are not in
my 1959 ORER. Can someone please check a late 1957 or early 1958 ORER to see
if the 1200 series in listed. Thanks.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Muncie & Western Boxcar help

Edward Dabler
 

In a message dated 9/22/2006 5:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brian@... writes:




I made an impulse buy this week at the LHS, and picked up a Mather Muncie &
Western Boxcar. I've found 160 of them in my 1955 ORER but they are not in
my 1959 ORER. Can someone please check a late 1957 or early 1958 ORER to see
if the 1200 series in listed. Thanks.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY







Brian

The Mather cars are not listed in the January 1958 ORER.

Ed Dabler P.E.


Re: Ann Arbor Box Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 22, 2006, at 11:26 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

I found D&LW 35000-35199, NH 34500-34999 and NH 35000-35999 with a 10'
IH. There are no B&O cars on your list, so I assume that they were
built
by the B&O from Pullman kits.

Have you ever studied how many cars were built from Pullman parts by
the
railroads themselves? I know the IC had some riveted 8' door cars
which
do not appear in your rosters, though photos of them appeared in the
old
DING articles. I built a model of one of these using a Front Range
body
with Intermountain ends, roof, underframe and details.

I notice that you have added WP 1952-1953, which were missing from
your
original published lists. You say these were rebuilt. If so, from
what.
Demonstrators? According to my information they were initially leased
from Pullman to test cushioned underframes (two different types).
Eventually the cars were purchased outright, though I don't know when.
One was off the roster some time in the 1960s, but the other survived
well into the roller bearing era. As can be noted from your list, they
were the only WP PS-1s with 6' doors. They were initially painted
orange
with black lettering (the scheme Roundhouse offered on their 40' AAR
boxcar years ago).
Garth,
My published PS-1 lists include only cars built by P-S and delivered to
the railroad, private owner, or government agency. B&O built 400 cars
from PS-1 kits at Dubois, Pennsylvania in 1957 (series 470600-470999)
that were 10' inside height and had welded sides and overhanging roofs.
IC built 2,585 cars from PS-1 kits at Centralia, Illinois from
1954-1957. These include 22000-23499 in 1954 and 23500-23534 in 1955
(all with 6' door openings) and 3900-3999 in 1957 (all with 8' door
openings). All IC PS-1s were built with riveted sides and had straight
side sills between the bolsters. I recently acquired two good photos
from the IC 3900-3999 series from Bob's Photo, but I haven't had much
luck finding photos of cars from the 22000-23534 series.

I've not been able to find out the origin of WP 1952-1953. They were
"rebuilt" by P-S as a job order (no lot number like is usually the case
for new cars).
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: resin kit instructions

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

The Santa Fe cars had eight rung ladders on the sides, seven rung
ladders on the ends. >Hand brakes were Ajax; Santa Fe hardly ever
used any other make of power hand brake.

Richard Hendrickson
Thanks Richard, I got the ladders right (as far as the number of rungs
anyway), I will change the brake wheel when I get home. I ended up
with a P2K "Quick Kit", so I had to pop most of the work they had done
for me off. The hand brake was all attached. I broke it once, I can
break it again.
Clark Propst


Re: Ann Arbor Box Cars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Sep 22, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Garth Groff wrote:

Good data on the B&O cars, but 10' IH PS-1s were hardly unique to the
B&O. A look at Ed Hawkins' published rosters in the old DING and RMJ
will show you several other groups of 10' IH cars. Those of the New
Haven come immediately to mind (sorry, I'm at work and can't cite the
numbers).
Garth,
These references were quite a few years ago. Updated rosters of 40' and
50' PS-1s are on the STMFC web site.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: Ann Arbor Box Cars

Garth Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Ed,

Thanks for the link to the roster.

I found D&LW 35000-35199, NH 34500-34999 and NH 35000-35999 with a 10' IH. There are no B&O cars on your list, so I assume that they were built by the B&O from Pullman kits.

Have you ever studied how many cars were built from Pullman parts by the railroads themselves? I know the IC had some riveted 8' door cars which do not appear in your rosters, though photos of them appeared in the old DING articles. I built a model of one of these using a Front Range body with Intermountain ends, roof, underframe and details.

I notice that you have added WP 1952-1953, which were missing from your original published lists. You say these were rebuilt. If so, from what. Demonstrators? According to my information they were initially leased from Pullman to test cushioned underframes (two different types). Eventually the cars were purchased outright, though I don't know when. One was off the roster some time in the 1960s, but the other survived well into the roller bearing era. As can be noted from your list, they were the only WP PS-1s with 6' doors. They were initially painted orange with black lettering (the scheme Roundhouse offered on their 40' AAR boxcar years ago).

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Ed Hawkins wrote:

On Sep 22, 2006, at 10:16 AM, Garth Groff wrote:


Good data on the B&O cars, but 10' IH PS-1s were hardly unique to the
B&O. A look at Ed Hawkins' published rosters in the old DING and RMJ
will show you several other groups of 10' IH cars. Those of the New
Haven come immediately to mind (sorry, I'm at work and can't cite the
numbers).
Garth,
These references were quite a few years ago. Updated rosters of 40' and 50' PS-1s are on the STMFC web site.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html

Regards,
Ed Hawkins





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Re: Rooms at Naperville Holiday Inn Select - Availability

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Just to follow up, I called this afternoon and had no problems.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: resin kit instructions

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Sep 22, 2006, at 10:46 AM, rockroll50401 wrote:

Both
real cars have (if I can Count) 8 rung ladders, the kits only
include 7 rung ladders. There are only A end photos of the Santa Fe
car, so I don't know if I used the correct (kit supplied) hand brake
or not?
The Santa Fe cars had eight rung ladders on the sides, seven rung ladders on the ends. Hand brakes were Ajax; Santa Fe hardly ever used any other make of power hand brake.

Richard Hendrickson

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