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Re: Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

W.R.Dixon
 

cf5250 wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

... if the NMRA would specify a size and placement for the
bolster and mounting -pad- for the truck mounts and coupler
mounts that is relative to the top of the track and nothing
else ...
I offer snapshots from Dave Hussey's 2006 WPM meet photos of
the new Details West draft gear kits:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245527
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245534
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245570
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245568
I don't think your idea is bad, but to say it's impractical to
get all vendors behind a NMRA standard (or RP) that required them
to retool hundreds of existing models is an understatement.

This is a valid point, however there is no reason why every New model released shouldn't meet the standard. Of course until one is codified there is no standard.

Bill Dixon


Re: Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Hi:

The DF-2 loaders were in place and the cars listed as XME by at least 7/61.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Beckert, Shawn
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars


One of Kadee's latest offerings is this 40' PS-1 with "DF" markings:

http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/5272l.htm

I know next to nothing about the Rock's boxcars - were these PS-1's
built new with DF equipment or were they retrofitted later? And if so,
during what time period did they receive this equipment?


Re: 6000 gallon tank car

Tim O'Connor
 

Jared Harper wrote:

Has anyone offered an HO scale model of a 6000 gallon tank car?
Didn't Trix produce a model of a 6000 gallon tank car?
Or are you interested only in riveted, non-insulated cars?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bruce Metcalf's Scale Coupler Study

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

The NMRA has not been quite as asleep on the scale coupler issue as we might
have thought. There is a very interesting study by Bruce Metcalf at:
http://www.emuck.com/~rufus/rr/couplerm.htm as part of an NMRA effort to
develop RP's/standards on the subject. While I know Bruce quite well I was
unaware of this work [ at least I don't recall being aware ]. This does not
suggest it is a secret effort, just further evidence that we don't always
know as much as we might think we do. It does lead one to wonder, perhaps,
that, since the study was essentially completed in 2004, why it has not
gained more publicity and what the next step is.
Mike, I knew about Bruce's work on this, and also knew that nothing had come of it. For all practical purposes, it WAS a secret effort, because the NMRA did absolutely nothing with it. I will observe your guideline about not dissing the NMRA on this list, but the facts do seem to speak for themselves.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

Tim O'Connor
 

--- In STMFC@..., Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

... if the NMRA would specify a size and placement for the
bolster and mounting -pad- for the truck mounts and coupler
mounts that is relative to the top of the track and nothing
else ...
I offer snapshots from Dave Hussey's 2006 WPM meet photos of
the new Details West draft gear kits:

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245527
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245534
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245570
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245568

I don't think your idea is bad, but to say it's impractical to
get all vendors behind a NMRA standard (or RP) that required them
to retool hundreds of existing models is an understatement.

The Details West parts represent what I think is the most practical
solution for serious modelers -- good replacement parts that can be
applied to existing models. I think the DW parts accept the "scale"
Kadee couplers (or perhaps the P:HO Accumate?)

I hope that DW or someone else will produce similar parts for steam
era freight cars. Personally I like designs that include all of the
parts from the bolster outward, as shown in the DW photos.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Bruce Metcalf's Scale Coupler Study

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

It does lead one to wonder, perhaps,
that, since the study was essentially completed in 2004, why it has not
gained more publicity and what the next step is.<
I just did a really quick scan of the NMRA site and couldn't find anything about this. As what the NMRA wants to convey, "join us, look at what we do", I would think this type of data would be right up front. If a perspective member can't find it in a couple of minutes I would think something should be done.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Bruce Metcalf's Scale Coupler Study

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

The NMRA has not been quite as asleep on the scale coupler issue as we might have thought. There is a very interesting study by Bruce Metcalf at: http://www.emuck.com/~rufus/rr/couplerm.htm as part of an NMRA effort to develop RP's/standards on the subject. While I know Bruce quite well I was unaware of this work [ at least I don't recall being aware ]. This does not suggest it is a secret effort, just further evidence that we don't always know as much as we might think we do. It does lead one to wonder, perhaps, that, since the study was essentially completed in 2004, why it has not gained more publicity and what the next step is. The use of the internet seems to promote the speed of the spread of information and even that of associated conclusions and decision making so we that use the internet have perhaps come to expect more speedy results than might occur in other "worlds" with different governing elements.

Mike Brock


Re: Plausible PRR reweigh location codes for G30 etc. gons?

Tony Thompson
 

Gatwood, Elden wrote:
Station P-62 (Holidaysburg or E. Altoona?) was also used really frequently on
gon shoppings through the end of this list's interests, as it was the
designated site for rebuildings of that fleet. Check out some photos and
you'll see it over and over.
Elden, the list I have gives P62 as Hollidaysburg EB, and P63 as Hollidaysburg WB, meaning scale tracks in the EB and WB yards.
Yesterday Brian Carlson commented that P450 is Indiana Harbor and P441 is Fort Wayne. Rechecking my list, I agree. Terre Haute is P712. I mis-typed what I thought I was saying <g>.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

One of Kadee's latest offerings is this 40' PS-1 with "DF" markings:

http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/5272l.htm

I know next to nothing about the Rock's boxcars - were these PS-1's
built new with DF equipment or were they retrofitted later? And if so,
during what time period did they receive this equipment?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Re: Stenciling diagrams in kit instructions

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Jim,
The point I was trying to make is that there is a lack of communication
between the model maker and the model builder when it comes to what is
printed on the decal sheet.
Clark Propst


Re: Plausible PRR reweigh location codes for G30 etc. gons?

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

BTW guys, there aren't any dashes in PRR scale codes either.


Ben Hom


Stenciling diagrams in kit instructions

Jim King
 

Re: a couple comments about kit instructions not including stenciling
diagrams, y'all should look at the SR low side steel gon kits available
exclusively from the SRHA. There are 2 very clear, in-service photos of
the prototype car in Roman lettering and even more in the modern Block
font. Stenciling diagrams change over time and are nearly impossible to
find all variations in archives, so I rely on photos. Diagrams are
notoriously wrong too, as the original drawing is usually drawn up
before the cars ever hit the rails and often represent the "what if"
scenario. Another reason to rely on photos.

Jim King
Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.
http://www.smokymountainmodelworks.com


Re: Plausible PRR reweigh location codes for G30 etc. gons?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Guys;

Station P-62 (Holidaysburg or E. Altoona?) was also used really frequently on
gon shoppings through the end of this list's interests, as it was the
designated site for rebuildings of that fleet. Check out some photos and
you'll see it over and over.

No, I did not have decals for that one, since I need way more than a handful
and no one makes it (I can't stand piecing stuff that small together), but I
intend on doing a sheet of these when I get out from under all the rest of
this stuff...

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
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stefanelaine
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Plausible PRR reweigh location codes for G30 etc. gons?

Thanks Tony!
I was wondering what shops those cryptic PRR codes represented.
Stefan

Not being a--- In STMFC@..., Tony Thompson
<thompsonmarytony@...> wrote:

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
What are plausible PRR reweigh codes/lettering for these and
other PRR
gons. I'm using a Komar dry transfer for a Tichy War Emergency
car and
it only has a "New" date. I can't make out the corect lettering
from
The Keystone Modeller article.
Stefan, I like to use the codes from the major PRR yards,
such as
Enola (P-50) or Conway (P-341). You also seen P-712 fairly often
(the
Terre Haute shop) and also P-450 (the Fort Wayne car shop).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Re: Plausible PRR reweigh location codes for G30 etc. gons?

Tony Thompson
 

Brian J Carlson wrote:
It is interesting to note that renumbering may have occurred as the 1923 list, lists P-450 as the Indiana Harbor, Ind., Car Shop, and not Fort Wayne car Shop (P-441) as mentioned by Mr. Thompson, the others match what he said.
My list came from the PRR list provided years ago by Richard Hendrickson, the era of which I don't know. I have handed that list out as part of the handout for my Pennsy freight car modeling clinic over a number of years.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Dennis Storzek wrote:

25 1/2" scales out to .293". Like I said, if someone is making
freightcar trucks with a centerplate height different by more than a
couple of thousandths from .296", they're not following the
prototype, or the rest of the industry, for that matter.
What is the height of the Atlas so-called bettendorf trucks? I seem to
remember those were a bit odd. Extremely free rolling tho.

Dave Nelson


Re: 6000 gallon tank car - Link to SC&F web site

Rob Adams
 

Rob;

I can't answer that for you, but here is a link to their web site if you want to see what they're planning... <http://southerncarandfoundry.com>

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Rob Kirkham wrote:

Key question on this one: when???

Rob Kirkham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@... <mailto:brockm%40brevard.net>>
[snip]

Jared Harper asks:

"Has anyone offered an HO scale model of a 6000 gallon tank car?"

I don't know but SC&F will be offering one.

Mike Brock
[snip]

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Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@...
Modeling the CB&Q RR's Keokuk & Western branch, along with connecting Wabash and CRI&P operations, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Re: 6000 gallon tank car

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Key question on this one: when???

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...>
[snip]


Jared Harper asks:
"Has anyone offered an HO scale model of a 6000 gallon tank car?"
I don't know but SC&F will be offering one.
Mike Brock
[snip]


Re: 6000 gallon tank car

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 9, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Jared Harper wrote:

Has anyone offered an HO scale model of a 6000 gallon tank car?
Precision Scale's standard gauge UTLX Van Dyke tank car model is a 6,500 gal. car; though built shortly after the turn of the century, many were still in service in the 1940s. Sunshine also offers a resin kit for a UTLX 6,500 gal. X-3 class tank car. Unfortunately, there are as yet no HO scale models of either AC&F or GATC 6,000 gal. tank cars, though - as Mike Brock says - Jon Cagle is working on a resin kit for a Standard Tank Car Co. 6,000 gallon car.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: 6000 gallon tank car

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Jared Harper wrote:

Has anyone offered an HO scale model of a 6000 gallon tank car?



Jim Hayes suggested:

Sunshine offers a 6500 gallon tank car.
Mike Brock added:

I don't know but SC&F will be offering one.

The Sunshine 6,500 Gallon Tank Car is not generic. IIRC, it was a UTLX X-3 meaning that it was in service only to lessees of the Union Tank Car Company. The primary lessees of UTLX were the "Baby Standards."

I believe that SC&F's offering will be a model of a tank car built by the Standard Tank Car Company of Sharon PA which GATX purchased in 1927. Again, the car is not generic, although more so than a UTLX X-3.

Tim Gilbert











Re: Plausible PRR reweigh location codes for G30 etc. gons?

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

If anyone wants a key to the different PRR Track Scale abbreviations, a list
from 1923 can be found at
http://prr.railfan.net/lists/track_scales_1923.html. I have one from 1945
but it is not online. It is interesting to note that renumbering may have
occurred as the 1923 list, lists P-450 as the Indiana Harbor, Ind., Car
Shop, and not Fort Wayne car Shop (P-441) as mentioned by Mr. Thompson, the
others match what he said.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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