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rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I'm working on the Speedwitch NP 50' SS door ½ box car. The body is
made up of the side, ends, and roof. The underframe fits into the
body very well. I took time to fit different couplers than the kit
was designed for, no problems. The only real challenge to the kit
appears to be the end ladders. They're my next step.

It seems like almost half the kit's written instructions are devoted
to the brake rigging. On this car with the `fish belly' center beams
I add the three AB brake components, the two levers that go through
the center beams, a wire from each lever to end of the car, and a
wire between the cylinder and the AB valve. On other style
underframes I'll add the two pipes between the air tank and valve and
the link between the two levers. All this fiddling with the brake
rigging consumes almost half of the kit's assembly time. I can't
image the time and swear words it would take to do a more complete
job. I have put the brake rigging that comes with plastic kits on
resin models, a real time saver and they include the same stuff I
would have to fabricate. I don't even drill any holes. I cut all the
mounting lugs off, lay the piece in place and super glue the crap out
of everything.

I'm curious as to how much brake gear others hang under their models?

Clark Propst


Timonium Show

James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
 

For those attending the Timonium Show, I will be there hawking my line of kits as Pocahontas Models LLC. Look for me sandwiched between the N&W Historical Society tables and Springhaven Shops. For more information on the kits please visit www.pocahontasmodels.com

Also, Ted Culotta of Speedwitch will also be at the show promoting his excellent line of products.

I am not aware of any other "resinator manufacturers" who will be there.

Stop by and say hello!

Jim Brewer
www.pocahontasmodels.com


Re: Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

That is what the RI equipment diagram says.

The earliest RI cars originally equipped with DF equipment was 100 fifty foot, nine foot single door opening, PS-1's numbered 5085 - 5184 delivered in 1954. These still had the full Route of the Rockets lettering. The DF was noted with a small square plate high on the door with a block letter DF. According to the diagram, the equipment included 9 belt "angles", 50 cross members, 8 doorway members and 20 deck boards. Intermountain decorated models a few years back for this series, without the DF logo.

Other cars origninally equipped with damage free accessories in our period of interest include

5500 - 5599 50 Foot RBL, Plug Doors, DF Loaders, 9 Belt Rails. Built 1959 by GAT. Many of the cars were equipped to handle fork lift pallets. The lettering on this car was kind of gaudy with a red background herald and yellow "Insulated" (RH side of door), white road name and large yellow DF with "Cushion Underframe" (LH side of door.)

5900 - 5999 40 Foot XME. 8 Foot Door Opening. DF2 Loaders. Built by ACF in 1959.
5900 - 5984: 9 Belt Rails, 6-16 Crossmembers, 6-10 Doorway members, 4-24 Deckboards, 5 swing boards (on 10 cars.)
5985 - 5999: 19 Belt Rails, 10-15 Crossmembers, 8-10 Doorway members, 4-12 Deckboards, 8-15 Swing boards.
(Red Caboose has a decorated a model in this scheme.)

There were an number of existing cars that were also equipped with the DF equipment and renumbered in the late 50's and early 60's as well.

There are photos of 5815 and 5548 in the Morning Sun RI Color Guide.

I sell a set of decals for the large DF and DF2 logo (shameless plug)

This is probably more than most wanted to know.

Regards,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars


SteveHile wrote:

> Rock Island boxcars 5800 - 5899 were delivered in 1959. The first few
> cars came without the big orange DF2 logo, but, early on, they went
> back and had it added.
>
> All 100 cars had DF2 loaders. 5800-5816 had 17 belt rails. 5817-5849
> had 19. 5850-5899 had 9 belt rails.

Are you sure about this, Steve? The Evans DF2 was always
advertised with 19 belt rails (and often indicated on car sides as
"DF-19"). I can understand 17 as a minor change, but the 9-belt version
corresponds to the original DF loader, AFAIK. What would make it DF2?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Loading PFE Reefers

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Beckert, Shawn" <shawn.beckert@...> wrote:

A great scene to model:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics28/00063582.jpg

Don't know if Walthers makes HO scale corn crates, though <g>

Shawn Beckert, did they really wear skirts that short in 1947???

Useful modeling items to note:

Single tail light on the truck;

Spare tire;

No mud flaps.

Dennis


Re: Loading PFE Reefers

Thomas M. Olsen <tmolsen@...>
 

You see Brian, gals looked pretty good even back then! Advertising has
not changed in over 60 years. You can sell anything with a pretty gal
showing the product, even loading PFE reefers (required freight car
content!)

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479

Brian J Carlson wrote:

Based on the date of those pictures, I would guess those women are about the
same age as my grandma. (Sorry, I just had to say that. I'll buy some beer
at bar in Naperville, if there is one.)

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Loading PFE Reefers




On Oct 10, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:



...did they really wear skirts that short in 1947???

Only in publicity photos, Shawn.

Richard Hendrickson






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Re: Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars

Tony Thompson
 

SteveHile wrote:

Rock Island boxcars 5800 - 5899 were delivered in 1959. The first few cars came without the big orange DF2 logo, but, early on, they went back and had it added.

All 100 cars had DF2 loaders. 5800-5816 had 17 belt rails. 5817-5849 had 19. 5850-5899 had 9 belt rails.
Are you sure about this, Steve? The Evans DF2 was always advertised with 19 belt rails (and often indicated on car sides as "DF-19"). I can understand 17 as a minor change, but the 9-belt version corresponds to the original DF loader, AFAIK. What would make it DF2?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: WPM Photos/THANKS

David Powell <daveydiesel@...>
 

Hey Guys,

I would like to commend Dave Hussey and others who share their pix of all
these different meets around the country. I live in N/W Iowa on a limited
income so I cant get to these meets personally but thru the efforts of a
few very generous individuals I get to see what the rest of the world is
doing out there. So my hat is off to all of you. Many, many THANKS for
sharing. Davey

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dh30973
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:56 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] WPM Photos



Even though some of you have found the link and have been looking, I
finally have my pictures from WPM avaible.

HYPERLINK
"http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2006"http://www.pbase.-com/dh30973/-wpm2006

On behalf of the committee I want to thank everyone who attended and
helped make the meet a success. We had about 165 or so attendees over
685 models in all scales and gages and levels of construction. With
manufacturers such as Atlas, Athearn, Intermountain, Rail Yard Models,
Details West and BLMA choosing to display their latest products.
Especially Atlas for announcing their 89ft All Purpose flat at our meet.

Thanks also go out to those and other manufacturers, publishers, and
hobby shops for their generous donations that make our raffle a success.

Make your plans to attend next year.

Dave Hussey




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Re: Loading PFE Reefers

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Based on the date of those pictures, I would guess those women are about the
same age as my grandma. (Sorry, I just had to say that. I'll buy some beer
at bar in Naperville, if there is one.)

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Hendrickson" <rhendrickson@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Loading PFE Reefers


On Oct 10, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

...did they really wear skirts that short in 1947???
Only in publicity photos, Shawn.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Rock Island boxcars 5800 - 5899 were delivered in 1959. The first few cars came without the big orange DF2 logo, but, early on, they went back and had it added.

All 100 cars had DF2 loaders. 5800-5816 had 17 belt rails. 5817-5849 had 19. 5850-5899 had 9 belt rails.

I hope this helps.

Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: Beckert, Shawn
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars


List,

One of Kadee's latest offerings is this 40' PS-1 with "DF" markings:

http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/5272l.htm

I know next to nothing about the Rock's boxcars - were these PS-1's
built new with DF equipment or were they retrofitted later? And if so,
during what time period did they receive this equipment?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


WPM Photos

dh30973 <76523.1060@...>
 

Even though some of you have found the link and have been looking, I
finally have my pictures from WPM avaible.

http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/wpm2006

On behalf of the committee I want to thank everyone who attended and
helped make the meet a success. We had about 165 or so attendees over
685 models in all scales and gages and levels of construction. With
manufacturers such as Atlas, Athearn, Intermountain, Rail Yard Models,
Details West and BLMA choosing to display their latest products.
Especially Atlas for announcing their 89ft All Purpose flat at our meet.

Thanks also go out to those and other manufacturers, publishers, and
hobby shops for their generous donations that make our raffle a success.

Make your plans to attend next year.

Dave Hussey


Re: Loading PFE Reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Oct 10, 2006, at 4:23 PM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

...did they really wear skirts that short in 1947???
Only in publicity photos, Shawn.

Richard Hendrickson


Loading PFE Reefers

Shawn Beckert
 

A great scene to model:

http://jpg3.lapl.org/pics28/00063582.jpg

Don't know if Walthers makes HO scale corn crates, though <g>

Shawn Beckert, did they really wear skirts that short in 1947???


Re: Bruce Metcalf's Scale Coupler Study

Charlie Vlk
 

Mr. Riley-
Might I suggest that the best proceedure would be to enlist the participation, cooperation and assistance of the coupler manufacturers and leading manufacturers that use couplers in their products?
Any effort by the NMRA to establish any "standards" that do not involve the manufacturers will be doomed to failure.
I would also look outside the limited confines of NMRA membership for volunteers as the NMRA is not a representative cross section of the Model Railroad community these days. I would also establish contacts with the magazines as the process develops.... the development of standards cannot be done in NMRA Committee and dropped on the rest of us without communication.
Charlie Vlk
Railroad Model Resources

An update is probably in order. I have been appointed coordinator for the NMRA
coupler project, including Bruce's study along with additional work. Several
people from this list have volunteered to help and I am still coming to grips
with the best procedures. As soon as I am up to speed and have coordinated the
volunteers, I will provide an update.

The project is not dead, just incomplete.

CJ Riley

.


More Truck Heights [was] Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

Dennis Storzek <dstorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Dave Nelson" <muskoka@...> wrote:

Dennis Storzek wrote:

25 1/2" scales out to .293". Like I said, if someone is making
freightcar trucks with a centerplate height different by more than a
couple of thousandths from .296", they're not following the
prototype, or the rest of the industry, for that matter.
What is the height of the Atlas so-called bettendorf trucks? I seem to
remember those were a bit odd. Extremely free rolling tho.

Dave Nelson

It's been a while since I last visited this issue (like fifteen years…
YIKES!) So, I scrounged up some current production samples to add to
my earlier survey.

Rail to bolster centerplate dimensions in inches from my notes when I
was designing Accurail's truck tool:

NMRA RP23 .3125
Prototype 2'-2 3/4" .307 (MCB, reduced to HO scale)
Prototype 2'-1 3/4" .296 (AAR, reduced to HO scale)
Prototype 2'-1 1/2" .293 (AAR 1964, reduced to HO scale)


MDC .310 ("Bettendorf")
Athearn .292 ("Bettendorf")
Walthers .294 (all ex-TM one piece)

Current production:

Kato .295 (ASF Ride Control 50T)
P2K .296 (AAR double truss 50T)
Atlas .288 (AAR double truss 50T)
Bowser .288 (Crown 70T)
Accurail .293 (all)

All were measured with the wheelsets they came with. Please note that
the axle length can affect the final height of the centerplate, and
changing the wheel size certainly would, but these are all 50 or 70
ton trucks, and are supposed to have the 33" wheels supplied.

I have never been too concerned with slightly low bolsters; the values
given in prototype drawings are for empty (light) cars, and addition
of the load can depress the truck springs a couple of inches. That is
why the prototype coupler centerline height is expressed as limits: 31
1/2" to 34 1/2". The NMRA S-2 value scales to 34". Of course, for
model railroad operation it is advantageous to have all the couplers
at the same level, but low bolsters are easy to shim up, something
that can't be said for centerplates that are too high to begin with.

If there is any issue with the Atlas twin hopper, it is the coupler
box is two low relative to the already low centerplate. Taller trucks
or centerplate shims would solve the coupler problem, but one has to
also pay attention to the overall height of the body.

Please note that these values can only really be used for the specific
trucks I actually measured. While the old traditional lines typically
had one mold with interchangeable sideframe inserts that produced all
their trucks, in this day and age of contract manufacturing overseas,
it is just as likely that a new truck tool is built for each project,
and it's not a foregone conclusion that the designer of the new mold
had any knowledge passed on from the design of the last.

Dennis


Re: Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

Tim O'Connor
 

Yes, but consider this logic Bill: if a vendor produces to a new
standard, however good, and if the new standard is different than
existing trucks & couplers, then by definition it will not be
compatible with existing products. And were it compatible, then
what would be the point of new tooling in the first place?

Many of us were aghast when J.P. Barger decided his P:87 magnetic
couplers would be compatible with Kadee coupler boxes! After all, we
thought, isn't the whole point to produce a scale model? Still, it
was hard to argue with J.P.'s logic that Kadee dominates the market,
and to produce an incompatible product would limit the sales to a
very small niche.

Tim O'Connor


--- Bill Dixon wrote:

This is a valid point, however there is no reason why every New
model released shouldn't meet the standard. Of course until one
is codified there is no standard.


Re: Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

 

I don't think your idea is bad, but to say it's impractical to
get all vendors behind a NMRA standard (or RP) that required
them to retool hundreds of existing models is an understatement.
Your concerns make sense Tim, but if we could just get them to start and
agree on a standard from here on, it would be an improvement. They could
wait to fix the older stuff as it come up time to rerun it. Maybe for some
reason some parts are impractical to upgrade, and they could just say that.
But at least we could know that from here forward they would try to avoid
that mistake.

I can't tell you how many Athearn Genesis truck frames I'd buy just to have
the closer compatibility for other cars.<G>

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: Bruce Metcalf's Scale Coupler Study

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

An update is probably in order. I have been appointed coordinator for the NMRA
coupler project, including Bruce's study along with additional work. Several
people from this list have volunteered to help and I am still coming to grips
with the best procedures. As soon as I am up to speed and have coordinated the
volunteers, I will provide an update.

The project is not dead, just incomplete.

CJ Riley

--- Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Oct 10, 2006, at 10:58 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

The NMRA has not been quite as asleep on the scale coupler issue as we
might
have thought. There is a very interesting study by Bruce Metcalf at:
http://www.emuck.com/~rufus/rr/couplerm.htm as part of an NMRA effort
to
develop RP's/standards on the subject. While I know Bruce quite well I
was
unaware of this work [ at least I don't recall being aware ]. This
does not
suggest it is a secret effort, just further evidence that we don't
always
know as much as we might think we do. It does lead one to wonder,
perhaps,
that, since the study was essentially completed in 2004, why it has not
gained more publicity and what the next step is.
Mike, I knew about Bruce's work on this, and also knew that nothing had
come of it. For all practical purposes, it WAS a secret effort,
because the NMRA did absolutely nothing with it. I will observe your
guideline about not dissing the NMRA on this list, but the facts do
seem to speak for themselves.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: 6000 gallon tank car

gary laakso
 

W&R did import a 6,000 gal tank car with the high running boards made by ACF in both one and two dome verions.

gary laakso,
south of Mike Brock

----- Original Message -----
From: cf5250
To: STMFC@...
Sent: 10/10/2006 2:57:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: 6000 gallon tank car


Jared Harper wrote:

Has anyone offered an HO scale model of a 6000 gallon tank car?
Didn't Trix produce a model of a 6000 gallon tank car?
Or are you interested only in riveted, non-insulated cars?

Tim O'Connor


Re: Coupler/Bolster 'Standards'/RPs and the NMRA

W.R.Dixon
 

cf5250 wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., Jim Betz <jimbetz@...> wrote:

... if the NMRA would specify a size and placement for the
bolster and mounting -pad- for the truck mounts and coupler
mounts that is relative to the top of the track and nothing
else ...
I offer snapshots from Dave Hussey's 2006 WPM meet photos of
the new Details West draft gear kits:
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245527
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245534
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245570
http://www.pbase.com/dh30973/image/68245568
I don't think your idea is bad, but to say it's impractical to
get all vendors behind a NMRA standard (or RP) that required them
to retool hundreds of existing models is an understatement.

This is a valid point, however there is no reason why every New model released shouldn't meet the standard. Of course until one is codified there is no standard.

Bill Dixon


Re: Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Hi:

The DF-2 loaders were in place and the cars listed as XME by at least 7/61.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: Beckert, Shawn
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Rock Island 40' "DF" Boxcars


One of Kadee's latest offerings is this 40' PS-1 with "DF" markings:

http://www.kadee.com/ca/40ps1/5272l.htm

I know next to nothing about the Rock's boxcars - were these PS-1's
built new with DF equipment or were they retrofitted later? And if so,
during what time period did they receive this equipment?

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