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Re: Scale tracks

 

You scratch-build one, and as soon as you are finished
somebody will be sure to offer a kit
The Northern Pacific Railway Historical Association offers an NP standard
laser cut scalehouse in HO on their website.
You can go to www.nprha.org and go to the Company store or this is a direct
link to the kit. (Sorry if the link wraps.)
http://www1.storehost.com/stores/xq/xfm/store_id.615/page_id.23/Item_ID.134779/parent_ids.0,0,1/qx/store.htm

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Cocoa Beach '06 KCS Car and '07 Reminder

Greg Martin
 

Hey Yuze Gize...

Just a reminder regarding the '07 "Shake and Take Clinic," the Kahns Meat
Reefer, you need to pre-register with Jeff Alley or Mike Brock as the clinic is
limited to just so many just as last years, I think we need to figure 30, but
if the room permits we may get 35, but you have to be signed up.

Jim,

Perhaps someone can send you some instructions but the decals were custom
made for the car and the event so you are kinda stuck. It will be the same for
the Kahns car unfortunately, as we reserve them for those in attendance, just
as Martin does for his resin mini-kits.

Greg Martin


Jim Hayes in Portland, OR writes:




It seems like half of the instruction/It seems like half of the
instruction/<WBR>construction of this kit occurs at Cocoa Beach and the other half h Beach
(my time/money goes to Naperville), I feel left out. I'm probably not the
only one. Is there a way that I and others can obtain the kit being discussed
or at least a copy of the instructions so we can follow along? If not for the
'06 kit, then how about '07 or '08? I'm willing to pre-order and pre-pay for
a future kit. If materials for the clinic are donated, this might not be
practical. But a set of the instructions plus a parts list and maybe decals for a
reasonable price should be doable.

Jim Hayes

Portland, Oregon




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PS-1 boxcars 40'

Douglas Harding
 

Group, a fellow M&StL modeler, Mike Heslop of Bluff Creek Trains, is
currently working with Kadee to do a run of cars for the M&StL 2700-2706
series of PS-1 40' boxcars. He wants to know what interest is there? The
minimum run is 300 cars, price will be around $30+ -, he won't have precise
cost until he makes the final agreement. He's planning 2 numbers on the
first run, then if sales go good, run the other 2 numbers in 6 mo. to a year
later.

Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
www.iowacentralrr.org





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Re: Scale tracks

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Clark,

You scratch-build one, and as soon as you are finished somebody will be sure to offer a kit (or a Chinese-assembled model these days).

That is, except for a 50' PS-1 boxcar with 8' doors. :'(

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

rockroll50401 wrote:

I started reading RP Cyc 12 last week. As you can see, I'm quite behind on my reading. I enjoyed the article on track scales because I have a track scale on my layout. Within the last few weeks I came across some scale weight tickets, photos of a scale being installed and talked to someone who even remembered the speed the cars were shoved across the scale at (same as the article stated). I'm in the process of working up operations on the layout and had questions about how the scale was used. Sometimes it's amazing how everything falls together. I was lucky enough to find one of the resin scale houses, but I did scratch build the track portion of the scale. Now Walthers has the whole setup available. It's amazing how that anyways happens also.
Clark Propst


Scale tracks

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I started reading RP Cyc 12 last week. As you can see, I'm quite behind
on my reading. I enjoyed the article on track scales because I have a
track scale on my layout. Within the last few weeks I came across some
scale weight tickets, photos of a scale being installed and talked to
someone who even remembered the speed the cars were shoved across the
scale at (same as the article stated). I'm in the process of working up
operations on the layout and had questions about how the scale was
used. Sometimes it's amazing how everything falls together.
I was lucky enough to find one of the resin scale houses, but I did
scratch build the track portion of the scale. Now Walthers has the
whole setup available. It's amazing how that anyways happens also.
Clark Propst
MC IA


Re: Walthers GSC 54' flatcar built date before 1954?

Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

GM&O had a series, photo in the 53 cyc, I don't remember the #s
72000-72049, built 3-52.
Thanks for the help - Charlie


Re: Three Cars For Sale

William Bryk <wmbryk@...>
 

Dear Mr. Golden:

If no one has had the wit to buy the Sunshine G&F car before now, I will.
Please advise whether I'm a lucky man. If not, then it's my fault for not
moving faster.

Regards,
Williaim Bryk
1360 Ocean Parkway #15B
Brooklyn NY 11230-5656

On 12/3/06, golden1014 <golden1014@yahoo.com> wrote:

Guys,

I'm raising money for Cocoa Beach and have three cars I can part
with.

First up is a P2K NYC Greenville gon, kit #21044, with as-delivered
paint. Great kit, but I have three and can let one go. I know these
things are a dime/dozen but every little bit helps. I'll accept the
first reasonable offer and split shipping. Everything's new int he
box and ready to go.

Second up is a P2K, new-in-the-box, Staley orange 8K gal tank car,
built up, kit #30638, AESX 187. Again, I understand these things are
a dime/dozen, but it's a nice model and it's built up and ready to
go. I'll accept the first reasonable offer and split shipping. If
you want this car and the NYC gon, I'll make a deal.

Last up is a Sunshine G&F Howe Truss box car, dreadnaught ends,
circle herald, for sale. Am asking $50, I pay shipping.

Thanks--sorry for burning the bandwidth. I'll see y'all at Cocoa.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL



Sunshine Kit 74.n Possible Decal Problem

David Karkoski <karkoskd@...>
 

I purchased a few Sunshine SFRD USRA Rebuilds at Naperville and have had
a problem with the decals on the first car that I constructed.



When soaking in water they fell to pieces, not able to use on car.



Not sure if this is applicable to all of the 74.n series kits or
isolated to the one I built.



Will investigate ways to save the remaining half of the decals.



David Karkoski


Re: Reefers in Va.

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Fred Mullins
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:53 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Reefers in Va.

I know we talked a little in the past about reefers used on my A&D.
But what type of reefers would have been inservice in the 1950's on
rail lines in VA. I'm assuming ART cars would have been used? Was all
cars made out of steel by the 50's? If wood reefers are still around
were they in large numbers?
Thanks
Fred Mullins













Fred,

In the 1950's, 71% of ART's stock was owned by the Missouri Pacific, and the other 29% by the Wabash - not necessarily RR's operating in Virginia.

Meanwhile, the ownership of stock of Fruit Growers Express was, in part, owned by a consortium of railroads including the ACL, B&O, C&O, NS, N&W, PRR, RF&P, SAL and SOU - all having operations in the Old Dominion.

It was far more likely that any originated reefer traffic on the A&D would use FGEX reefers rather than ART reefers in the 1950's. If reefer traffic was terminated on the A&D, then the ownership of those reefers would depend greatly upon where that traffic originated.

Based upon what commodity groups were hauled by the A&D in the early 1950's, I would estimate that less than 1% of the daily average of freight cars on line were reefers.

Tim Gilbert





Re: Reefers in Va.

 

what type of reefers would have been inservice in the
1950's on rail lines in VA.
This is just hypothesis, but I would have to believe that
Fruit growers Express would dominate the VA reefer
fleet. FGE was owned by several east coast RR's
(PRR, NH, N&W, L&N...)primarily to haul Florida
Produce to the North.
Are you talking about numbers of cars passing through or loaded and
unloaded? If you're talking about bringing in loads, it might be as much a
case of where the fruit and produce originated from. Apples coming from the
Northwest or Idaho potatoes might more likely show up in Northern Pacific or
Western Fruit Express reefers. Produce from California in the winter might
just as likely show up in Pacific Fruit Express reefers.

Just another couple cents.

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: Reefers in Va.

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Fred,
This is just hypothesis, but I would have to believe that Fruit growers
Express would dominate the VA reefer fleet. FGE was owned by several
east coast RR's (PRR, NH, N&W, L&N...)primarily to haul Florida Produce
to the North. They maintained a repair shop in Alexandria VA in up to
the 70s.


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Fred Mullins
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 10:53 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Reefers in Va.

I know we talked a little in the past about reefers used on my A&D.
But what type of reefers would have been inservice in the 1950's on
rail lines in VA. I'm assuming ART cars would have been used? Was all
cars made out of steel by the 50's? If wood reefers are still around
were they in large numbers?
Thanks
Fred Mullins




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Re: New stuff from Speedwitch

tmolsen@...
 

Hi Ted,

Just a short note to remind you not to forget the decals for the two kits (listed below) that I picked up at Naperville. The two are:

Kit K106.1 - CB&Q XM-25/26 single sheathed box car - $37
Kit K106.2 - FW&D XM-25 single sheathed box car - $37

I will have another order for you after the Cocoa Beach RPM. I wish I could make that one, but it is too close to the holidays at present for me to go. Too many things going on here that are pleading for money. I expect that after the 1st of January, the 2nd floor hardwood flooring job will start and I am still 24 cases of Bruce finished red oak short.

We were over to South Jersey yesterday looking at houses in a 55 and older new community. Saw one model that had a "killer" basement that was every bit the size of the one I have now, except that the utilities and stairs were located in the rear center of the basement which is ideal. Sure is tempting and they still have two large sections to build, so if I get really tempted to sell out and buy a new place next year,I will have time to finish this place.

All for now!

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


Three Cars For Sale

golden1014
 

Guys,

I'm raising money for Cocoa Beach and have three cars I can part
with.

First up is a P2K NYC Greenville gon, kit #21044, with as-delivered
paint. Great kit, but I have three and can let one go. I know these
things are a dime/dozen but every little bit helps. I'll accept the
first reasonable offer and split shipping. Everything's new int he
box and ready to go.

Second up is a P2K, new-in-the-box, Staley orange 8K gal tank car,
built up, kit #30638, AESX 187. Again, I understand these things are
a dime/dozen, but it's a nice model and it's built up and ready to
go. I'll accept the first reasonable offer and split shipping. If
you want this car and the NYC gon, I'll make a deal.

Last up is a Sunshine G&F Howe Truss box car, dreadnaught ends,
circle herald, for sale. Am asking $50, I pay shipping.

Thanks--sorry for burning the bandwidth. I'll see y'all at Cocoa.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: Walthers GSC 54' flatcar built date before 1954?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 3, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Joseph Binish wrote:

GM&O had a series, photo in the 53 cyc, I don't remember the #s
72000-72049, built 3-52.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Walthers GSC 54' flatcar built date before 1954?

Joseph Binish <joebinish@...>
 

GM&O had a series, photo in the 53 cyc, I don't remember the #s but Rich Remiarz has the car on his layout.
Joe Binishj

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Duckworth
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 2:56 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Walthers GSC 54' flatcar built date before 1954?


Came across my six Farmall tractors with Odd Ball decals this
afternoon; also have the AAR loading diagram. So I'm ready to start
hunting for a car to load them on. My cutoff date on the layout is
1954. Can anyone help with what Walthers car would fit my period of
modeling on the GSC flatcar kits.
Thanks - Charlie


Walthers GSC 54' flatcar built date before 1954?

Charlie Duckworth <trduck@...>
 

Came across my six Farmall tractors with Odd Ball decals this
afternoon; also have the AAR loading diagram. So I'm ready to start
hunting for a car to load them on. My cutoff date on the layout is
1954. Can anyone help with what Walthers car would fit my period of
modeling on the GSC flatcar kits.
Thanks - Charlie


Leaving the Hobby sale

Captain Dudley
 

Guys:
It has been brought to my attention that my email address was cut off.
My email address is lemthunder@aol.com if you have a question on the
availability of an item.

Thanks!
Mike Dudley


Re: wood sided gon's

golden1014
 

Hey Fred,

How's it going? Seaboard still had a few low side, composite gons left
in the early 50s (G-6/7/8/9 class cars). Most of them were gone by
around 1954--they were either scrapped, relegated to maintenance
service or were already rebuilt. ACL still probably had a few
composite cars left but they were pretty quick about replacing their
wartime composite cars with steel in the late 40s.

FYI, I'm doing a presentation on Seaboard and ACL gons at Cocoa that
will cover all these topics.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Fred Mullins" <fmullins@...> wrote:

Folks,
Would have woodsided gons still be in interchange use in the 50's?
If so would they be in great numbers or were the railroads scraping
them or rebuilding them by this time? Trying to decide if I need any
for my mid 50's A&D railroad. Also did any of the southeastern
railroads have woodsided gon's?
Thanks for any help!
Fred Mullins


Re: Cars about to face cutting torch

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Brad Bourbina <bbbourb@...> wrote:


Larry,
Any idea if the caboose is road-worthy?
Brad
Hi Brad

The caboose does not look appreciably different now than it did in
this photo provided by Tom Cornillie, other than that the paint is
slightly more faded. My understanding is that the photo was taken at
Kings Canyon, Colorado, probably in the early to middle 1990s.

http://faculty.simpson.edu/RITS/www/equipment/caboose/Kirkpatrick/1701
7.jpeg

I don't know if it's road-worthy, although it sits on tracks and has
been moved about a hundred feet within the past couple of weeks.

Larry


Re: Allied Full Cushion trucks

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Dec 3, 2006, at 6:43 AM, Russ Strodtz wrote:

John,

Looking through some old messages. I don't really understand the concept of trucks that "rode better and faster". Speed is dictated by how fast the power can pull the train and how fast the Engineer wants to go.

While I think I understand what you are trying to say it does not really mean very much.
Russ, there was a long history to the improvement of freight car trucks, going back at least to the 1920s, with which you are apparently unfamiliar. To put it as briefly as possible, it was found that, as train speeds increased, truck riding qualities deteriorated rapidly. One part of the problem was that rail joints caused trucks to bounce on their springs, and in the 40-50 mph range a harmonic frequency was set up which, in extreme cases, caused the truck springs to go "over-solid" (now there's a neat engineer's euphemism), resulting in damage not only to the trucks but to the cars and their cargoes and even causing derailments. Much research was devoted to the problem and remedies included lateral motion devices between the bolsters and springs and various types of friction snubbers, either built into the truck frames (e.g. Barber Stabilized, ASF A-3) or aftermarket in the form of snubbers that replaced one or more springs in the spring packages. Allied Full Cushion trucks were one attempt to provide better riding qualities, especially for freight cars used in passenger express service, but unfortunately they had certain design deficiencies that rendered them derailment-prone. The Buckeye trucks to which John referred were probably Buckeye's "Cushion Ride" design, which was introduced after World War II, though they might also have been a version of the ASF A-3 which Buckeye produced under license. Either design would have provided a significantly smoother ride and better tracking qualities at high speeds than a conventional AAR truck without snubbers.

Richard Hendrickson

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