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Re: Western Maryland Hoppers

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Hi Mark,

It has been a really long time. I have seen lots of stuff on these cars. There
is a WM yahoo group that is probably your best bet for detailed info.

CJ Riley



--- mvlandsw <mvlandsw@hotmail.com> wrote:

I am detailing some Stewart fishbelly WM hoppers. Does anyone know
the dimensions of the channel end supports and the corner post angles?
Are there any pictures or plans available that show the arrangement of
the brake fittings? Thanks, Mark Vinski




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The Keystone Modeler - December 2006

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

The December issue of The Keystone Modeler is online at
http://www.prrths.com/Keystone%20Modeler/Keystone_Modeler.htm

Here's What I'm Working On
1:48 Harbor Scene by Hugo Pallesen

Model Review – Walthers Platinum Line N6B Cabin Car by Jim Hunter

Making Bowser Better - Modeling the H21 by Bruce Smith

Modeling the PRR's Flat Car Fleet – Part 10 The F34 by Elden Gatwood

Happy Holidays!


Ben Hom


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

woodyp48
 

FYI: pat o'boyle, aka pacific limited, who wrote the article, also
imported these cars in 5 versions back in the day. photos also
appeared in his ads in mainline modeler in that time frame.

woody grosdoff


Re: B&O Class W-1A Truck Identification

jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I would defer to Richard on his truck identification here.


Yet B&O also had some proprietary truck designs that research is only
starting to uncover. Examples would be the Washburn truck and the
Tatum XLT truck. Until recently, they looked like plain old
archbars to everyone.

B&O also was nuts about recycling trucks (and other hardware) in
their rebuilding and new construction programs. So trucks out of era
would show up on B&O cars. Examples: the M-26 (plain) boxcars
inherited Tatum XLT trucks from scrapped hopper cars. O-41 gondola
cars (I think, I'm winging it here) got BR&P trucks. The surviving
gondola off the West Virginia northern stored at Tunnelton, WV is an
example of this.














--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:

On Dec 6, 2006, at 3:16 PM, benjaminfrank_hom wrote:

Finsishing up an article for the November-December issue of The
B&O
Modeler on Class W-1 and subclass hoppers and came across some odd
trucks. I've uploaded a detail photo in the STMFC files section
titled "B&O 334344 Class W-1A Truck Detail.JPG":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files

Anyone know the type of this truck? Thanks in advance!
Ben, it's an arch bar truck with a Pilcher trussed side frame. See
the
1922 Car Builders' Cyclopedia, p. 628.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Blister panels for Bowser hoppers

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Marty McGuirk wrote:
"So, you're saying the Bowser car is too low to represent the PRR
rebuilt prototype? That may be good news for me, since I want to use
these to model a Central Vermont blister side hopper -- and the CV
cars were close in over dimensions (and in some details, particularly
the double end support brackets) to the PRR GL class."

Yes. Height from top chord to rails was 10 ft for Class GLA, 10 ft 8
in for the Class GLF cars.


Ben Hom


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

Paul Lyons
 

Amazing Ben(tongue in cheek), and no one had to buy a book!

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR


Paul Lyons wrote:
"There is an article and and series of photos about the re-building of
these cars in a long past Mainline Modeler. I do not know the issue."

"Southern Pacific B-50-12-A", Pat O'Boyle, Mainline Modeler, October
1992, page 62. Popped right up when I did a Title text search for "B-
50-12" at http://index.mrmag.com .

Ben Hom



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Re: Blister panels for Bowser hoppers

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Ben,

Thanks for the reply,

Yes, I saw the model in the Keystone Modeler -- great resource by
the way!

So, you're saying the Bowser car is too low to represent the PRR
rebuilt prototype? That may be good news for me, since I want to use
these to model a Central Vermont blister side hopper -- and the CV
cars were close in over dimensions (and in some details, particularly
the double end support brackets) to the PRR GL class.

By the way, is there an easy way to contact Stan and order the
parts from him?
Marty,

Stan has not entered the computer age. You can contact him at:

Stan Rydarowicz
165 Manchester Ave.
Youngstown, Ohio 44509

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred Mullins wrote:
Tony,
Thanks for the response. I guess I shoulld have figured that being a
"a" sub class what they were rebuilt from. But I know very little
about the SP.
If someone could give me both a website address and a name of books
that has info I would appreciate it.
I will send you the book reference and website off-list to avoid provoking the whiners on the list.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

Fred Mullins
 

Tony,
Thanks for the response. I guess I shoulld have figured that being a
"a" sub class what they were rebuilt from. But I know very little
about the SP.
If someone could give me both a website address and a name of books
that has info I would appreciate it.
Thanks
Fred Mullins


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Paul Lyons wrote:
"There is an article and and series of photos about the re-building of
these cars in a long past Mainline Modeler. I do not know the issue."

"Southern Pacific B-50-12-A", Pat O'Boyle, Mainline Modeler, October
1992, page 62. Popped right up when I did a Title text search for "B-
50-12" at http://index.mrmag.com .


Ben Hom


Re: PS-1 box cars

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

I don't know if it has been mentioned, but the early CGW PS1s (93000)
(maybe all of those early cars)had sill tabs with rivets like a AAR
car. Also look at the tabs at the lower side ends, where the steps
connect. I wonder if the date for the change to their own underframe
design could be narrowed down by looking at the sill tabs? Curiously,
the AKA PS-0 cars had lower side ends like the later PS1s (no tabs).
Clark Propst
MC IA


Re: Numbers of '44 AAR cars, and others (UNCLASSIFIED)

Tim Gilbert <tgilbert@...>
 

Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Tim;

You are correct, it is for Jan 1964, but I mentioned no car types, other than
late PS-1's that would have been produced post-~'55 or so. You are also
correct that there was enormous attrition in the SS and USRA and X29 types,
but my question was really how many non-4/4 End AAR '44 cars were produced.
I know it is enormous (as one could not fail to notice staring at freight
trains for all those years), but I have seen nothing that quantifies that
huge box car type, in print. Is this because few folks on this list are
interested in anything post 1950 or so?












Elden,

According to the ICC's records, the December 31st total Boxcars owned by Class I US RR's between 1955 and 1965 were the following - showing the split of general service vs. special service:

Year . . . Gen'l Serv. . . . Spec. Serv. . . . Total Boxcars
1955 . . . 661,594 . . . . . 57,756 . . . . . . 719,350
1956 . . . 673,747 . . . . . 53,912 . . . . . . 727,569
1957 . . . 685,330 . . . . . 53,624 . . . . . . 738,954
1958 . . . 672,302 . . . . . 52,553 . . . . . . 724,955
1959 . . . 654,718 . . . . . 52,848 . . . . . . 707,566
1960 . . . 637,829 . . . . . 54,900 . . . . . . 692,729
1961 . . . 608,367 . . . . . 56,565 . . . . . . 664,932
1962 . . . 577,106 . . . . . 62,354 . . . . . . 639,460
1963 . . . 545,751 . . . . . 71,611 . . . . . . 617,362
1964 . . . 515,123 . . . . . 81,220 . . . . . . 596,343
1965 . . . 479,201 . . . . 102,884 . . . . . . 582,085

Note: These do not include boxcars owned by the Canadian roads (e.g. CN, CP, PGE, etc.), but do include cars owned by US subsidiaries of those Canadian roads (e.g. GTW, CV, SOO, etc.).

The number of General Service Boxcars peaked in 1957 (for the 1955-65 period), but, after the 1958 recession, the number fell. Between 1961 and 1965, there was a 21.2% decline in General Service Boxcars - most of them probably being the older pre-War and pre-Depression cars like the X29's and NYC Steel USRA clones. Many other roads sold and leased back much of their pre-Depression Fleet in the mid-1950's, and by the mid-1960's, those leases were terminated.

Meanwhile, the number of Special Service Boxcars on 12/31/1965 were 81.9% more than they were on 12/31/1961 which may be an indication that newly built boxcars were predominantly special service cars - the average nominal capacity for the national special service boxcar fleet increased from 49.9 tons/car on 12/31/1961 to 58.8 tons/car on 12/31/1965. Some of the increase may have been due to the 1962 revision of standard nominal capacities for a given truck size, but most of that increase should have been due to the new construction of special service boxcars getting "70-ton" trucks.

Any discussion ought to continue of the "Baby Boomers Freight Car Group" at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/bbfcl/

Tim Gilbert


Here is a table that may violate the list guidelines for discussion, but I
hope those interested can extract the pre-1960 facts, like the numbers of
cars produced. There would have been a very small percentage of these lost
through wreck damage, but certainly the USRA and X29-era cars were going
fast. However, the '32 ARA and later cars were still around at probably 99%
of their original numbers. One interesting fact is that the PRR X43
classes, which total 6,358 cars on that date (a small number having been
scrapped due to wreck damage), is about 1% of the entire US box car fleet.
Ditto for the X31A single door cars. And that would also have been pretty
much true for your 1955 date total for box cars. Those are significant
numbers, and I had not realized just how significant.

Pieter's point about "signature" box cars is certainly true, but even with
the NYC, PRR, B&O and other "single user" box cars extracted, there are still
a LOT of box cars that fail to fall into any of these (but for the late AAR
'44) categories.

Box Car Type Statistics - Jan 1964

Car Type

Number

Percentage of Total

USRA Single-Sheathed Box Cars and other SS cars

?

<1% (<6,000)

PRR X29

2,125

0.3%

PRR X31A single door

6,404

1.1%

NYC USRA steel cars

?

?

ARA '32 Type

14,180

2.34%

AAR'37

89,578

14.76%

PRR X37B

1,463

0.25%

AAR '37 Modified (5/5 End)

43,565

7.18%

AAR '44 w/ 4/4 End (10'4" - 10'6" IH)

73,397

12.1%

AAR '44 w/R/3/4 End (10'6" IH)

Includes PRR X43 classes

? total

PRR - 6,358

?

(PRR - ~1.1%)

PS-1 - 40'

75,070

12.38%

PS-1 - 50'

20,332

3.35%

TOTAL

606,623

100%

What do you guys find for your timeframes? What are your breakdowns?

Elden Gatwood

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Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

Paul Lyons
 

There is an article and and series of photos about the re-building of these cars in a long past Mainline Modeler. I do not know the issue.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: thompson@signaturepress.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR


Fred Mullins wrote:
I would like to learn more about this car. When was it rebuilt and
from what class of car? When did the rebuilding take place and how
long did these cars stay on the rails?
It may not surprise you, Fred, that these were rebuilt from
Class B-50-12. Those were USRA single-sheathed cars, of which SP
received 1000 units. They were rebuilt starting in the late summer of
1949 and continuing for a couple of years. Roughly 650 were rebuilt and
all other survivors either went to MOW service or were scrapped. They
lasted into the 1960s.

also can anybody point me to some photos of these cars? I'm looking
for end detail shots as well.
Thanks for any help!
I'm not aware if there are many photos on line. The Lee
Gautreaux site is one option (if you don't know the URL, please ask).
If you want a reference to a book which has thirty or so photos of the
cars, including the rebuilding process, please ask. I don't want to be
accused of "MAKING YOU BUY A BOOK."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Blister panels for Bowser hoppers

mjmcguirk@...
 

Ben,

Thanks for the reply,

Yes, I saw the model in the Keystone Modeler -- great resource by the way!

So, you're saying the Bowser car is too low to represent the PRR rebuilt prototype? That may be good news for me, since I want to use these to model a Central Vermont blister side hopper -- and the CV cars were close in over dimensions (and in some details, particularly the double end support brackets) to the PRR GL class.

By the way, is there an easy way to contact Stan and order the parts from him?

Thanks,

Marty


Re: SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Fred Mullins wrote:
I would like to learn more about this car. When was it rebuilt and from what class of car? When did the rebuilding take place and how long did these cars stay on the rails?
It may not surprise you, Fred, that these were rebuilt from Class B-50-12. Those were USRA single-sheathed cars, of which SP received 1000 units. They were rebuilt starting in the late summer of 1949 and continuing for a couple of years. Roughly 650 were rebuilt and all other survivors either went to MOW service or were scrapped. They lasted into the 1960s.

also can anybody point me to some photos of these cars? I'm looking for end detail shots as well.
Thanks for any help!
I'm not aware if there are many photos on line. The Lee Gautreaux site is one option (if you don't know the URL, please ask). If you want a reference to a book which has thirty or so photos of the cars, including the rebuilding process, please ask. I don't want to be accused of "MAKING YOU BUY A BOOK."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


P2K Box Car Kits

ATSF1226
 

Have several Southern, Nickle Plate Auto cars and a 40 ft Mather Box
car for sale. Please contact off list.

Thanks
George A. Walls


Red Caboose Kits

ATSF1226
 

Hi Folks,
Changed scales and have a bunch of Red Caboose Kits for sale. Please
contact off list.

George A. Walls


Re: Numbers of '44 AAR cars, and others (UNCLASSIFIED)

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE

Tim;

You are correct, it is for Jan 1964, but I mentioned no car types, other than
late PS-1's that would have been produced post-~'55 or so. You are also
correct that there was enormous attrition in the SS and USRA and X29 types,
but my question was really how many non-4/4 End AAR '44 cars were produced.
I know it is enormous (as one could not fail to notice staring at freight
trains for all those years), but I have seen nothing that quantifies that
huge box car type, in print. Is this because few folks on this list are
interested in anything post 1950 or so?



Here is a table that may violate the list guidelines for discussion, but I
hope those interested can extract the pre-1960 facts, like the numbers of
cars produced. There would have been a very small percentage of these lost
through wreck damage, but certainly the USRA and X29-era cars were going
fast. However, the '32 ARA and later cars were still around at probably 99%
of their original numbers. One interesting fact is that the PRR X43
classes, which total 6,358 cars on that date (a small number having been
scrapped due to wreck damage), is about 1% of the entire US box car fleet.
Ditto for the X31A single door cars. And that would also have been pretty
much true for your 1955 date total for box cars. Those are significant
numbers, and I had not realized just how significant.



Pieter's point about "signature" box cars is certainly true, but even with
the NYC, PRR, B&O and other "single user" box cars extracted, there are still
a LOT of box cars that fail to fall into any of these (but for the late AAR
'44) categories.



Box Car Type Statistics - Jan 1964


Car Type

Number

Percentage of Total


USRA Single-Sheathed Box Cars and other SS cars

?

<1% (<6,000)


PRR X29

2,125

0.3%


PRR X31A single door

6,404

1.1%


NYC USRA steel cars

?

?


ARA '32 Type

14,180

2.34%


AAR'37

89,578

14.76%


PRR X37B

1,463

0.25%


AAR '37 Modified (5/5 End)

43,565

7.18%


AAR '44 w/ 4/4 End (10'4" - 10'6" IH)

73,397

12.1%


AAR '44 w/R/3/4 End (10'6" IH)

Includes PRR X43 classes

? total

PRR - 6,358

?

(PRR - ~1.1%)


PS-1 - 40'

75,070

12.38%


PS-1 - 50'

20,332

3.35%









TOTAL

606,623

100%



What do you guys find for your timeframes? What are your breakdowns?

Elden Gatwood



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PRR X36 boxcar

SUVCWORR@...
 

Can anyone point me to photos of the underframe and brake rigging for this
car? I have builder photos of the car. Are there any other photos available
of this car in service? It was on the road for over 20 years. Built in
1935. Still found in the ORER in 1958 but gone in 1963.

TIA.

Rich Orr


SOUTHERN PACIFIC B-50-12A REBUILT BOX CAR

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I would like to learn more about this car. When was it rebuilt and
from what class of car? When did the rebuilding take place and how
long did these cars stay on the rails? Is sunshine still making these
cars? Does anybody else make them in HO? also can anybody point me to
some photos of these cars? I'm looking for end detail shots as well.
Thanks for any help!
Merry Christmas
Fred Mullins

131481 - 131500 of 189789