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Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info req #9100-9229 #20000-84

oliver
 

Thanks to Ben, Steve and Paul for their help! Sounds like most of
these are workable bashes.
Happy New Year!
Stefan Lerche
Duncan, BC Canada

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> wrote:

Paul is correct. The Youngstown doors had four panels, 4-5-5-4
ribs. These cars also had interesting trucks, Barber S-4-L, which are
represented by Bethlehem Car Works (ex-Cape Line) #1213.

Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40'
express boxcar conversion info request


Steve, Remember the the doors are wrong in the 63.1 Sunshine kit.
Making a set of correct masters is high on my "to do" list, so I can
finish this model.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40'
express boxcar conversion info request

The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in
1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an
article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with
Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's.
In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also
appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or
nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 -
20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround
them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent
them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine
has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end
panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman
Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express
service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and
lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior
doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40'
express boxcar conversion info request

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway
Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No.
40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom



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Re: Covers for hopper cars

ljack70117@...
 

Well I found the kit I had. It does not have a manufacture's name on it and it has 8 roof hatches. How man different kits did Sunshine make?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...

I think I have one of these. I will have to dig through my stuff. I am looking for prototype information.I have seen a photo of one prototype and of the model. They do not match. The prototype has four hatches on the roof and the model has six. May be other differences also.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...





On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:44 PM, kenedmier@... wrote:

Larry:

I am not sure if you know that Sunshine Models has made them in HO scale:

M1 - ATSF for GA-21 and GA-43, kit to convert Stewart 3-bay hoppers (#10300 series) into covered grain hoppers Hutchins roofs modified with hatches four bay Ga-24 can be created from Athearn 4- bay hoppers
kit sufficient for 2 conversions/

I am assuming they are still available.

Ken Edmier




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Re: ADMIN: Frt train speeds discussion

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Mike is right. I was referring to the late steam era, also early diesel era, of the 50's. I'm with a club that has a target date of 1954/55, so mixed power, diesel only and mostly steam and steam only railroads or divisions are equally appropriate.

I should had been more specific and said that I meant the question about first generation diesels ONLY. C424's and GP-20's are off my topic.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Covers for hopper cars

ljack70117@...
 

I think I have one of these. I will have to dig through my stuff. I am looking for prototype information.I have seen a photo of one prototype and of the model. They do not match. The prototype has four hatches on the roof and the model has six. May be other differences also.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...

On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:44 PM, kenedmier@... wrote:

Larry:

I am not sure if you know that Sunshine Models has made them in HO scale:

M1 - ATSF for GA-21 and GA-43, kit to convert Stewart 3-bay hoppers (#10300 series) into covered grain hoppers Hutchins roofs modified with hatches four bay Ga-24 can be created from Athearn 4-bay hoppers
kit sufficient for 2 conversions/

I am assuming they are still available.

Ken Edmier




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Re: Covers for hopper cars

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Larry, I have built the Sunshine mini-kit for these cars. I could scan the
brief Prototype Data / instruction sheet for you. These mini-kits are still
available from Sunshine.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon



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To: ATSF group
Cc: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covers for hopper cars



Does any one have photos or drawings of the tops the Santa Fe made
for some hopper cars for grain hauling in the 40s wheat rush? Are
there any publications I could buy about them?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia <mailto:ljack70117%40adelphia.net> .net


Re: Covers for hopper cars

Ken Edmier
 

Larry:

I am not sure if you know that Sunshine Models has made them in HO scale:

M1 - ATSF for GA-21 and GA-43, kit to convert Stewart 3-bay hoppers (#10300 series) into covered grain hoppers Hutchins roofs modified with hatches four bay Ga-24 can be created from Athearn 4-bay hoppers
kit sufficient for 2 conversions/

I am assuming they are still available.

Ken Edmier




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Covers for hopper cars

ljack70117@...
 

Does any one have photos or drawings of the tops the Santa Fe made for some hopper cars for grain hauling in the 40s wheat rush? Are there any publications I could buy about them?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...


Re: Builder's paint

 

While I don't wish to prolong this discussion "white lead" is
what houses were painted with in my childhood back east.
I always thought white lead was a permanent paint.
White lead was the pigment. The primary vehicle was boiled linseed oil.
Probably a case where the painters accidentally used boiled linseed instead
of some other solvent and the mixture actually became paint. Everybody has a
bad day once in a while.<G>

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Paul is correct. The Youngstown doors had four panels, 4-5-5-4 ribs. These cars also had interesting trucks, Barber S-4-L, which are represented by Bethlehem Car Works (ex-Cape Line) #1213.

Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: cobrapsl@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request


Steve, Remember the the doors are wrong in the 63.1 Sunshine kit. Making a set of correct masters is high on my "to do" list, so I can finish this model.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request

The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's. In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 - 20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No. 40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom



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Photo with stock cars

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Terry Link" <trlink@...> wrote:
Here is a photo taken from Buffalo Central Terminal in 1946 with many
non-NYC stockcars visible
Gee, I can't even tell that most of those outside braced cars are stock
cars, even with the enlargement feature on my computer.

It's a fantastic photo. If you have a negative you can blow it up to
get a better look at the cars.

Ed


Re: QC HO B&O Caboose Kit for Sale

rfederle@...
 

I am not making an offer however I would like to comment.

I too have an HO scale Quality Craft Kit that I purchased around 1975 or so. I also bought the O scale version to build and display. Never got to build them (Yet). It caught my eye when you mentioned having them in the two scales.

I remember watching trains go by when I was a child and these cabs were pretty regular on that line. The crew would hit the backup whislte and give toot or two when they saw me. Was not too long the bay window versions would become prevalent and the whistle greetings became less.

Happy New Year.

Robert Federle
---- Justin Kahn <harumd@...> wrote:

When my wife brought a few more trains down from Fairbanks last visit, there
were a few of my leftover HO items (going on thirty years old by now).
Anyone want to make me an offer for a mint QC B&O wood caboose kit? Not
only am I never going to build it, I still haven't gotten around to building
the O scale version in the closet (although I do plan on eventually getting
to that).

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Re: LV 63000 series boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks Ed.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Builder's paint

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

few gons in builders' paint ("white lead
with black lettering")<
While I don't wish to prolong this discussion "white lead" is what houses were painted with in my childhood back east. I always thought white lead was a permanent paint.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


QC HO B&O Caboose Kit for Sale

Justin Kahn
 

When my wife brought a few more trains down from Fairbanks last visit, there were a few of my leftover HO items (going on thirty years old by now). Anyone want to make me an offer for a mint QC B&O wood caboose kit? Not only am I never going to build it, I still haven't gotten around to building the O scale version in the closet (although I do plan on eventually getting to that).

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

Paul Lyons
 

Steve, Remember the the doors are wrong in the 63.1 Sunshine kit. Making a set of correct masters is high on my "to do" list, so I can finish this model.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request


The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's. In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 - 20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No. 40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom





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Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

Steve and Barb Hile
 

The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's. In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 - 20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request


Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No. 40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom


Re: Builder's paint

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Bruce Smith (likely with tongue deeply in cheek) wrote:
I suppose I ought to call it "greywash" <G>. Was this a regular
paint, or was it temporary and washed off the car after the photo
was taken? I ask in part because multiple layers of paint right off
the bat might change the Lt Weight of the car compared to cars that
did not get this paint.

Yes, it was washed off, lettering and all, and no, it would
certainly not affect light weight to the nearest 100 pounds. If you
want to make a quick computation of the weight of a paint layer over
the whole car, feel free. I've done this in the past when
attempting to determine how much lead there would be in such layers
of lead-base paints.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
According to John Corns, on page 117 of "The Wheeling and Lake Erie
Volume 2" the W&LE had a few gons in builders' paint ("white lead
with black lettering") that "remarkably" were used to haul coal, "as
verified by photographs". The first of these gons were built in Nov.
1946.
Please note that neither I nor the author think this was anything
close to common, indeed, this may be a single isolated incident.
Don't try this at home! However, I thought it would be interesting
to add to the discussion. I can't imagine how these would look after
a few loads of coal... I wonder what would have caused this unusual
occurance? A severe gon shortage?
Dean Payne


Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No. 40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.


Ben Hom


Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

An HO scale kitbashing article for the UP cars by Gary Binder and Steve
Orth appeared in Vol 15 No 3 (Summer 2001) issue of the UPHS
Streamliner, including an equipment diagram and prototype photos. The
base kit used was the Intermountain R-40-10 with underframe
modifications, Tichy Youngstown doors, Red Caboose rectangular panel
roof, and ASF Ride Control, Symington, or Allied Full Cushion trucks.
This issue of The Streamliner is still available from the UPHS:
http://www.uphs.org/strmavail.htm


Ben Hom


Re: LV 63000 series boxcars

Ed Hawkins
 

On Dec 31, 2006, at 8:22 PM, Brian J Carlson wrote:

I building some branchline models of the LV 63000 series boxcars. I
photographed some similar cars still in existence in Manchester NY
last
year. I am looking for information on the roofwalk. Did the LV use
Apex, or
another style and was it painted to match the car side (red) or roof
(black) or unpainted? Thanks and happy new year to all.
Brian,
When new the LV 63000-63999 series cars received black car cement on
their roofs. An overhead builder's photo shows this as well as Apex
running boards that were partially sprayed with the black car cement.
It's obvious from this photo that Bethlehem Steel Co. didn't pay
particular attention to ensure the running boards were entirely black.
I don't know for sure if all 1,000 cars received Apex running boards,
but car 63000 had Apex as did 63542. A good photo of the latter car
number is available from Bob's Photo, taken 11-13-54. Apex brake steps
were also used.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins