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Re: Covers for hopper cars

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Larry Jackman:
Well I found the kit I had. It does not have a manufacture's name
on it and it has 8 roof hatches. How man different kits did
Sunshine make?
Thank you
Sunshine's kit does indeed include eight hatch castings, in addition
to three roofwalk laterals. (Twice that, actually, as the kit includes
two casting sets for converting two Stewart hoppers.) This follows
Martin's practice of including extras of small or fragile parts. As
others have written, the conversion requires only six hatches max.

This Minikit comes in a full Sunshine box. Other Sunshine Minikits are
packaged in envelopes.

Tom Madden


SAL G11 class gon

Fred Mullins
 

Folks,
I would like to model some SAL gons like the G11 class. Does anybody
make such a model in HO scale or is there anything that can be
modified to model one? Also what were these gons used for the most?
Hauling pipe, gravel?
Thanks for any help!
Fred Mullins


Re: [ATSF] Covers for hopper cars

John Thompson
 

Larry,

I know that Sunshine made an HO resin "mini-kit" for a Santa Fe grain hopper roof. My notes say that it fits a Stewart #10300-series 3-bay hopper kit. My roof kit is buried somewhere but perhaps someone else can provide more information from the kit.

John Thompson

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Subject: [ATSF] Covers for hopper cars

Does any one have photos or drawings of the tops the Santa Fe made

for some hopper cars for grain hauling in the 40s wheat rush? Are

there any publications I could buy about them?

Thank you

Larry Jackman

Boca Raton FL

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Re: Covers for hopper cars

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 1, 2007, at 6:05 PM, Jim & Lisa Hayes wrote:

Hmmm. That's interesting. The one I built in 1999 has 6 hatches.
25 Ga-21 class triple hoppers were converted in 1941 with four roof hatches. The remaining 50 Ga-21 were converted in 1945 with six hatches, as were all 75 Ga-24 class quad hoppers and all 50 Ga-43 class triple hoppers.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Covers for hopper cars

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Hmmm. That's interesting. The one I built in 1999 has 6 hatches.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon



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Well I found the kit I had. It does not have a manufacture's name on
it and it has 8 roof hatches. How man different kits did Sunshine make?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia <mailto:ljack70117%40adelphia.net> .net


Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info req #9100-9229 #20000-84

oliver
 

Thanks to Ben, Steve and Paul for their help! Sounds like most of
these are workable bashes.
Happy New Year!
Stefan Lerche
Duncan, BC Canada

--- In STMFC@..., "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> wrote:

Paul is correct. The Youngstown doors had four panels, 4-5-5-4
ribs. These cars also had interesting trucks, Barber S-4-L, which are
represented by Bethlehem Car Works (ex-Cape Line) #1213.

Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: cobrapsl@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40'
express boxcar conversion info request


Steve, Remember the the doors are wrong in the 63.1 Sunshine kit.
Making a set of correct masters is high on my "to do" list, so I can
finish this model.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40'
express boxcar conversion info request

The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in
1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an
article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with
Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's.
In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also
appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or
nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 -
20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround
them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent
them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine
has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end
panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman
Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express
service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and
lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior
doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40'
express boxcar conversion info request

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway
Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No.
40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom



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Re: Covers for hopper cars

ljack70117@...
 

Well I found the kit I had. It does not have a manufacture's name on it and it has 8 roof hatches. How man different kits did Sunshine make?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...

I think I have one of these. I will have to dig through my stuff. I am looking for prototype information.I have seen a photo of one prototype and of the model. They do not match. The prototype has four hatches on the roof and the model has six. May be other differences also.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...





On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:44 PM, kenedmier@... wrote:

Larry:

I am not sure if you know that Sunshine Models has made them in HO scale:

M1 - ATSF for GA-21 and GA-43, kit to convert Stewart 3-bay hoppers (#10300 series) into covered grain hoppers Hutchins roofs modified with hatches four bay Ga-24 can be created from Athearn 4- bay hoppers
kit sufficient for 2 conversions/

I am assuming they are still available.

Ken Edmier




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Re: ADMIN: Frt train speeds discussion

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Mike is right. I was referring to the late steam era, also early diesel era, of the 50's. I'm with a club that has a target date of 1954/55, so mixed power, diesel only and mostly steam and steam only railroads or divisions are equally appropriate.

I should had been more specific and said that I meant the question about first generation diesels ONLY. C424's and GP-20's are off my topic.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Covers for hopper cars

ljack70117@...
 

I think I have one of these. I will have to dig through my stuff. I am looking for prototype information.I have seen a photo of one prototype and of the model. They do not match. The prototype has four hatches on the roof and the model has six. May be other differences also.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...

On Jan 1, 2007, at 5:44 PM, kenedmier@... wrote:

Larry:

I am not sure if you know that Sunshine Models has made them in HO scale:

M1 - ATSF for GA-21 and GA-43, kit to convert Stewart 3-bay hoppers (#10300 series) into covered grain hoppers Hutchins roofs modified with hatches four bay Ga-24 can be created from Athearn 4-bay hoppers
kit sufficient for 2 conversions/

I am assuming they are still available.

Ken Edmier




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Re: Covers for hopper cars

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Larry, I have built the Sunshine mini-kit for these cars. I could scan the
brief Prototype Data / instruction sheet for you. These mini-kits are still
available from Sunshine.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon



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ljack70117@...
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To: ATSF group
Cc: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Covers for hopper cars



Does any one have photos or drawings of the tops the Santa Fe made
for some hopper cars for grain hauling in the 40s wheat rush? Are
there any publications I could buy about them?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia <mailto:ljack70117%40adelphia.net> .net


Re: Covers for hopper cars

Ken Edmier
 

Larry:

I am not sure if you know that Sunshine Models has made them in HO scale:

M1 - ATSF for GA-21 and GA-43, kit to convert Stewart 3-bay hoppers (#10300 series) into covered grain hoppers Hutchins roofs modified with hatches four bay Ga-24 can be created from Athearn 4-bay hoppers
kit sufficient for 2 conversions/

I am assuming they are still available.

Ken Edmier




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Covers for hopper cars

ljack70117@...
 

Does any one have photos or drawings of the tops the Santa Fe made for some hopper cars for grain hauling in the 40s wheat rush? Are there any publications I could buy about them?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...


Re: Builder's paint

 

While I don't wish to prolong this discussion "white lead" is
what houses were painted with in my childhood back east.
I always thought white lead was a permanent paint.
White lead was the pigment. The primary vehicle was boiled linseed oil.
Probably a case where the painters accidentally used boiled linseed instead
of some other solvent and the mixture actually became paint. Everybody has a
bad day once in a while.<G>

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana


Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

Steve and Barb Hile
 

Paul is correct. The Youngstown doors had four panels, 4-5-5-4 ribs. These cars also had interesting trucks, Barber S-4-L, which are represented by Bethlehem Car Works (ex-Cape Line) #1213.

Steve Hile

----- Original Message -----
From: cobrapsl@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request


Steve, Remember the the doors are wrong in the 63.1 Sunshine kit. Making a set of correct masters is high on my "to do" list, so I can finish this model.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request

The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's. In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 - 20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No. 40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom



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Photo with stock cars

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Terry Link" <trlink@...> wrote:
Here is a photo taken from Buffalo Central Terminal in 1946 with many
non-NYC stockcars visible
Gee, I can't even tell that most of those outside braced cars are stock
cars, even with the enlargement feature on my computer.

It's a fantastic photo. If you have a negative you can blow it up to
get a better look at the cars.

Ed


Re: QC HO B&O Caboose Kit for Sale

rfederle@...
 

I am not making an offer however I would like to comment.

I too have an HO scale Quality Craft Kit that I purchased around 1975 or so. I also bought the O scale version to build and display. Never got to build them (Yet). It caught my eye when you mentioned having them in the two scales.

I remember watching trains go by when I was a child and these cabs were pretty regular on that line. The crew would hit the backup whislte and give toot or two when they saw me. Was not too long the bay window versions would become prevalent and the whistle greetings became less.

Happy New Year.

Robert Federle
---- Justin Kahn <harumd@...> wrote:

When my wife brought a few more trains down from Fairbanks last visit, there
were a few of my leftover HO items (going on thirty years old by now).
Anyone want to make me an offer for a mint QC B&O wood caboose kit? Not
only am I never going to build it, I still haven't gotten around to building
the O scale version in the closet (although I do plan on eventually getting
to that).

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Re: LV 63000 series boxcars

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

Thanks Ed.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Builder's paint

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

few gons in builders' paint ("white lead
with black lettering")<
While I don't wish to prolong this discussion "white lead" is what houses were painted with in my childhood back east. I always thought white lead was a permanent paint.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


QC HO B&O Caboose Kit for Sale

Justin Kahn
 

When my wife brought a few more trains down from Fairbanks last visit, there were a few of my leftover HO items (going on thirty years old by now). Anyone want to make me an offer for a mint QC B&O wood caboose kit? Not only am I never going to build it, I still haven't gotten around to building the O scale version in the closet (although I do plan on eventually getting to that).

Jace Kahn, General Manager
Ceres and Canisteo RR Co.

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Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request #9100-9229 #20000-84

Paul Lyons
 

Steve, Remember the the doors are wrong in the 63.1 Sunshine kit. Making a set of correct masters is high on my "to do" list, so I can finish this model.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: shile@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request


The Rock Island numbers actually cover three distinct body styles:

20000 - 20050

10"6" IH AAR standard boxcars built by Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1941 along with several thousand regular freight boxcars. There was an article on these in MM, May 1989. They were originally equipped with Allied Full Cushion trucks, but these were replaced in the mid 50's. In addition to the Sunshine kit, the Intermountain car is also appropriate.

20060 - 20069

These cars were built by Mt. Vernon in 1945 and were all (or nearly all) aluminum. So they were dimensionally similar to 20000 - 20050, but visually quite different. With all the publicity surround them after WWII, there have been silver HO scale models to represent them dating back to the same era in metal, card and plastic. Sunshine has the only accurate model, in terms of the number of side and end panels. Kit number 63.1.

20070 - 20084

These cars were built in 1948 as normal boxcars by Pullman Standard (number series 25500 - 26499) They were equipped for express service in 1953. I believe that these were among the early PS-1's and lack the raised section in the end roof panels. They had Superior doors. Some cars had Apex and others US Gypsum running boards.

I hope that this is helpful information.

Happy New Year,
Steve Hile
----- Original Message -----
From: benjaminfrank_hom
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 6:26 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: UP #9100-9229 and RI #20000-84 series 40' express boxcar conversion info request

Stefan Lerche' wrote:
"In particular I am interested in detail/modelling information or
photos of UP 40' DD steel ACR boxcar series #9100-9229 and Rock Island
40' SD steel boxcar series #20000-20050, 20060-84."

A couple more comments:

- Prototype photos of both UP and RI cars appeared in Railway Prototype
Cyclopedia 6 (unfortunately out of print).

- Sunshine 31.10 models the Rock Island cars.

- Use the Intermountain Modified 1937 AAR boxcar kit (Stock No. 40899)
as a starting point if you can't get the Sunshine kit.

Ben Hom





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