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Re: Kits? 50 + years ago.
eabracher@...
How many kit builders? Well, there are more than a few. I have been
manufacturing Ho/HOn3 kits for 35+ years and am still going strong and adding new ones each month. Of course the narrow gauge ones sell more than the standard gauge kits but both are doing well. check my web www.riograndemodels.com eric
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
rfederle@...
Might as well throw Walthers and Red Ball out there too.
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Robert Federle ---- Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...> wrote:
Guyz,
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Guyz,
Allow me to fill in 3 more; Megow, Kaisner, and Laconia. Fred Freitas ljack70117@... wrote: Did I see John English in the list? Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... I was born with nothing and I have most of it left On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:40 AM, <rfederle@...> <rfederle@...> wrote: And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name --------------------------------- No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.
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Re: Branchline AAR boxcar
Ed Hawkins
On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On Feb 2, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Camas74 wrote:To which Richard replied: I've always been puzzled about why the BLT end ladders are narrowerMatt and Richard, Side and end ladders came in multiple ways for the 10'-6" IH AAR box cars built from 1945 to 1960. Cars of this type built in "Richard's era" of October 1947 and before often had side and end ladders of the same width. Side ladders were commonly, but not universally, 18-1/2" apart (measurement between the rung bolt head centers). Some cars built during the 1945-1960 period had end ladders 2" narrower than the side ladders. There were other fractional differences in widths. Complicating the matter for modelers and manufacturers of plastic "standard" AAR box cars, during the 1950s the bottom part of the end ladders were sometimes flared on one side (like Kadee tooled for PS-1 box cars), and there were at least two variations of this arrangement I've found. Common examples of these end ladders have the top 5 rungs at 16-1/2" wide and the bottom 2 rungs at 18-1/2" wide (again, measured to the bolt centers). Additional variations included the common use of both 7-rung and 8-rung ladders, different types of ladder rungs, each with different methods of attachment, and different rung spacing. For example, 18-3/8" spacing was common for 7-rung ladders but was not a universal dimension. When Branchline Trains tooled their "standard" AAR 50' and 40' Blueprint Series AAR box cars, they had numerous challenges that resulted in having to make judgment calls and compromises on the many variations found in the technical data and photographs they used. I can vividly recall conversations with Bill Schneider when we discussed variations of side and end ladders. Bill kept reminding me about the tooling cost that needed to be kept within reason. Originally BLT settled on one set of 7-rung ladders that they tooled, and they chose to have the end ladders narrower than the side ladders. With some "encouragement" they later produced a set of 8-rung ladders. Regards, Ed Hawkins
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SAL B-7 Box Coming in BOTH S Scale AND HO!!!
John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
Everyone is probably already familiar with my efforts to get the SAL's B-7 Round Roof (or Turtle-Back), 19000-19499 series boxcars produced in my new scale of interest - S scale. But I have just this morning received comfirmation from my manufacturer that this model will definitely be offered in HO as well. The S scale version will come first (hopefully by the end of this year), and the HO version second (date still to be determined).
ALL reservations should be made with Jim King (jimking3@...) of www.smokymountainmodelworks.com. And if anyone has any photographs of these cars you can offer as helps for this project and its accompanying, promotional web page (below), they should be sent to myself (scaler164@...) AND Jim King. Promotional Web Page: http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm If one man can make it happen in S scale, surely there is enough interest amongst HO scalers to see this car made in HO. So send Jim and e-mail and let him know how many you'd like to have! John Degnan Scaler164@... The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Archive www.trainweb.org/seaboard or www.trainweb.org/seabonard/index.htm P.S. ALSO coming in S and HO : SAL LOW-Side Gondolas!!!
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The DS/SS split - Thanks and an update
laramielarry <ostresh@...>
Many thanks to the following people answered my request for help in
pinning down the split between double sheathed and single sheathed box and auto cars for the U.S. fleet in July, 1950: Jim Brewer, Al Brown, Brian Ehni, Richard Hendrickson, and Dennis Storzek. Thanks to their efforts, over 8,000 cars have been removed from "Unknown" status and categorized into DS, SS, steel, or "Other". Here is the current breakdown: U.S. box, auto, and ventilator cars in interchange service, July, 1950 ORER: Type_____ %_____ number DS _____ 9.0% __ 64,629 SS ____ 21.1% _ 150,612 Steel _ 66.5% _ 475,872 Other __ 0.7% ___ 4,758 Unknown_ 2.7% __ 19,258 Total __ 100% _ 715,129 This means that over 97% of the fleet is categorized; two-thirds of it is steel and the rest is a combination of DS, SS, or "Other". The DS/SS split is 30% DS and 70% SS. Nearly all of the "Other" category consists of the Santa Fe's "panel" cars or the GN's "plywood" cars. The ORER classifies the "panel" cars as DS, and the "plywood" cars are often considered DS also, so shifting them would add a little to the DS side of the ledger. Later today (if time permits), I'll post the breakdown for several specific railroads. ***** Answers have been given for about half of the cars on my "help needed" list, but the other half still remains. I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS, steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, over 98% of the fleet will be categorized. Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty CNW, XM, Box, 63000-64898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 515 CNW, XM, Box, 74900-76898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 971 CNW, XM, Box, 111000-111998, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 482 CNW, XMR, Auto, 54000-54798, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 393 CG, XM, Box, 40300-40699, 39'10", 6'0", 80000, 351 IC, XM, Box, 15500-15796, 40'2", 6'0", 80000, 291 IC, XM, Box, 25000-25499, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 258 IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486 IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242 L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244 L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243 MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243 MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408 MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239 MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200 MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338 MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308 SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384 SP, XM, Box, 66175-66674, 40'6", 10'7", 100000, 428 T&P, XM, Box, 30000-30316, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 312 Thanks in advance! Larry Ostresh Laramie, Wyoming
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
ljack70117@...
Did I see John English in the list?
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Thank you Larry Jackman Boca Raton FL ljack70117@... I was born with nothing and I have most of it left
On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:40 AM, <rfederle@...> <rfederle@...> wrote:
And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name a few more.
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
armprem
Ambroid too.Armand Premo
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From: <rfederle@...> To: <STMFC@...> Cc: "A. Premo" <armprem@...> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us > And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name a few more. > > Robert Federle > ---- "A. Premo" <armprem@...> wrote: >> Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and >> Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> >> To: <STMFC@...> >> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us >> >> >> > Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that >> > much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what >> > you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars, >> > Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all >> > over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures >> > and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much >> > trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great >> > models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And >> > what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and >> > look at the magazine photos. >> > Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then. >> > Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you >> > couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do >> > with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view. >> > People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser >> > locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your >> > free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype >> > information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the >> > Cyc and other resources. >> > The progress to today is really qualitative, not just >> > quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the >> > golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby >> > is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from. >> > >> > Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA >> > 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com >> > (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... >> > Publishers of books on railroad history >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: >> 1/30/2007 9:31 AM >> > >> > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 9:31 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
rfederle@...
And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name a few more.
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Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
Tony Thompson wrote:
Which is why many of us who were interested in scratchbuilding gravitated to narrow gauge. The sort of detailed prototype information we now take for granted began surfacing for Colorado narrow gauge half a century ago. MR articles by Len Madsen, RMC plans by Al Kamm and the availability of John Maxwell's drawings from the newly-established Colorado Railroad Museum gave narrow gaugers a leg up on serious prototype modeling. Plus the prototype equipment still existed and was accessible for measuring and photographing. Next month marks the 50th anniversary of Len Madsen's landmark March 1957 MR article on scratchbuilding a D&RGW narrow gauge drop bottom gon. That, and his article on scratchbuilding the Chama coaling tower a couple of years later were responsible for pulling me into serious HOn3 modeling for over 25 years. When I tired of the "quaint and decrepit" factor in the mid-80's, Dennis Storzek's article on "Seven Improvements to Athearn Box Cars" and Richard Hendrickson's WestRail conversion kits were there to greet me and demonstrate that the detailed information we took for granted in narrow gauge modeling was coming to light for standard gauge. More than anything, it's the availability of good prototype information that makes good modeling possible. To close the loop on the thread title, I was in Caboose Hobbies on Wednesday. There were dozens of Red Caboose and InterMountain cars on the shelves, but not one RC or IM kit. Tom Madden
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Kits? 50 + years ago.
Richard Bale
Some of those kits are still around, virtually in their original form, albeit
under different names. The HO flat car and wood bridge kits Tom Ayres (Ayres Models) originally developed in the 1950s were later sold to Augie Kniff (Tru-Scale) who in turn sold them to E. Suydam Company. To assist Leo Campbell get his new company started in the mid-1960s, Tom Ayres persuaded Ed Suydam to sell the bridge line to Campbell. Leo retired last year and sold Campbell Scale Models, including the bridges, to Peter Campbell (no relation) who continues to offer the bridges today - some 55 years later. A similar circuitous life befell Ayres mat board structure kits which are still manufactured and sold by Alpine Division Scale Models. Dick Bale Carlsbad, CA
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
armprem
Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo
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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us > Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that > much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what > you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars, > Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all > over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures > and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much > trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great > models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And > what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and > look at the magazine photos. > Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then. > Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you > couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do > with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view. > People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser > locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your > free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype > information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the > Cyc and other resources. > The progress to today is really qualitative, not just > quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the > golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby > is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from. > > Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA > 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com > (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... > Publishers of books on railroad history > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 9:31 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Rail Model Journal??
pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
Jon Miller asked:
What issue, it seems it's a couple of months behind.And Tony Thompson answered: You're right, Jon, it tends to run a couple of months off. What IMy January 2007 issue arrived earlier in the week. Tom Madden
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Re: Rail Model Journal??
David Ball
I got mine this past week (and it had to travel 1/3 of the way around the
world) David Ball _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Jon Miller Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2007 3:40 p.m. To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rail Model Journal?? My last copy was November but I'm guessing December is close. Just a slow PO. Jon Miller AT&SF For me time has stopped in 1941 Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user NMRA Life member #2623 Member SFRH&MS -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.20/664 - Release Date: 2/02/2007 3:42 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.20/664 - Release Date: 2/02/2007 3:42 p.m.
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Re: Rail Model Journal??
David Ball
Ah, thank you Mr Thompson. I've always wondering if the differential between
cover date and when I get it was because they are behind, or due to their shipping. Ta David Ball _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Saturday, 3 February 2007 3:04 p.m. To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Rail Model Journal?? Jon Miller wrote: What issue, it seems it's a couple of months behind.You're right, Jon, it tends to run a couple of months off. What I got at the end of January was the issue for December 2006. But they do come regularly. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.-com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, HYPERLINK "mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com"thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.20/664 - Release Date: 2/02/2007 3:42 p.m. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.20/664 - Release Date: 2/02/2007 3:42 p.m.
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Re: The DS/SS split - help needed
al_brown03
Continuing:
Steel, horiz rib, blt 3-6/47. RP CYC 13 pp1-75.IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486 Steel, horiz rib, blt 5-8/46. RP CYC 13 pp1-75.MILW, XM, Box, 15500-15749, 50'6", 15'0", 100000, 248 SS, blt 6/29 as DD, rblt single-door before 4/47.MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408 Postwar Freight Car Fleet, p62. SS, blt '26-27, rblt '41. MM 1/96 pp35-38.MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239 SS 1-1/2D, blt '26, aux doors sealed post '34. FFC v1 p48.SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384 SS, blt late '20s. FFC v1 p53.RI, XMR, Auto, 159250-159899, 40'6", 14'6", 80000, 361 SS, blt late '20s. FFC v1 p53.RI, XM, Box, 160250-160599, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 334 -- hth -- -- Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars, Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and look at the magazine photos.
Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then. Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view. People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the Cyc and other resources. The progress to today is really qualitative, not just quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: How is the AB brake cylinder mounted on the PRR G-22 gondola?
On Fri, February 2, 2007 7:19 pm, proto48er wrote:
Two things still bother me about Westerfield's website photos. First,A.T., This is the standard brake arrangement for PRR cars of this era. I was about to say that it had nothing to do with drop doors, but it may well have originated in that style car. Regardless, it was applied to the GR (and FM which is a twin to the GR), GRa and many other cars such as the X25 and X29. Similar brakes were used on the B&O M-26A. Westerfield and F&C have nice castings for the levers in their kits (note that the Sunshine FM has a bogus brake arrangement drawing in the instruction). BTW, we just finished an FM project on the PRRPro group <G>. Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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Re: trucks for flatcar?
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Steve Bishop superlab2003 wrote:
I am finishing an Eastern Car Works depressed center flat for the NewThe correct trucks for these models are Eastern Car Works' own Commonwalth High Capacity trucks, stock #9063. Richard Hendrickson
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Kits? Yep...they're still with us
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
Jack Burgess writes:
"While I appreciate all of the new freight cars, both plastic and resin, all of these "riches" (as I mentioned before) may have reduced our hobby to a "ready to run" hobby. After all, there is very little that you can't now purchase ready to run....engines, DCC systems, freight cars, structures, track, etc. It seems that MR especially has embraced this idea...." Actually, while I think Jack is correct about much that he said, he has a small but interesting conflict in this part of his comments. "Resin". As Jack well knows "resin" is not ready to run. I don't doubt that it is true that people wish to purchase ready to run but one cannot purchase ready to run resin cars...at least not yet. Part of the reason for buying ready to run stuff is, as Jack alludes to, it's easy to do AND it's probably the only way some of us are going to acquire the huge fleets of cars we seem to require. Today there are many, many frt cars not available in plastic so we are forced to go the resin route if we want some of these gems. For that matter, there are still large numbers of frt cars simply not available...in any form. Anyhow, the point is, we seem to see very different frt car acquisitions by the same people...ready to run plastic and "ready to build" resin cars....kits. Mike Brock
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