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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and Mantua to name a few others.
There was no intention to provide a complete history of HO kits <g>, just choosing a couple of examples. Speaking just for me, I loved Silver Streak kits in those days.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

George Hollwedel <georgeloop@...>
 

What is John's e-mail address?

Prototype N Scale Models
by George Hollwedel
proto.nscale@yahoo.com
310 Loma Verde Street
Buda, TX 78610-9785
512-796-6883

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From: "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us



Anthony Thompson:
Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great
models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now.
So, just how many of us are there? This list's home page says 1,244 members. Yet when I spoke with
John Engstrom at Springfield about the idea of undecorated versions of the 65' mill gon, he said
"There's only about 60 of you guys out there, you know."

Y'know, I think he's wrong. But that's what he thinks.

Now, I know that there are probably a lot of guys on this list (are there ANY women?) who simply
want to know more about when a car was built, who built them, the kind of car they are, the era
they're appropriate for, how long they lasted and that's about it. There's another subset that want
to know precisely what kind of end they have, what brake gear they have, the kind of roof walk, and
so on. And then there are those who want to know exactly how many rivets, and what size they were,
on some specific tank car.

But I'm absolutely sure that there are more, way more, than "60 of you guys out there."

There's power in numbers, and if we want kits, we have to make sure that Athearn (and BLI, IM, and
the others) know that there's more than 60 of us.

SGL




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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Anthony Thompson:
Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great
models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now.
So, just how many of us are there? This list's home page says 1,244 members. Yet when I spoke with
John Engstrom at Springfield about the idea of undecorated versions of the 65' mill gon, he said
"There's only about 60 of you guys out there, you know."

Y'know, I think he's wrong. But that's what he thinks.

Now, I know that there are probably a lot of guys on this list (are there ANY women?) who simply
want to know more about when a car was built, who built them, the kind of car they are, the era
they're appropriate for, how long they lasted and that's about it. There's another subset that want
to know precisely what kind of end they have, what brake gear they have, the kind of roof walk, and
so on. And then there are those who want to know exactly how many rivets, and what size they were,
on some specific tank car.

But I'm absolutely sure that there are more, way more, than "60 of you guys out there."

There's power in numbers, and if we want kits, we have to make sure that Athearn (and BLI, IM, and
the others) know that there's more than 60 of us.

SGL


Will value of dollar and oil prices bring back kits?

colormydreams2 <LMP@...>
 

I watched an interesting financial show this morning where the guest
was talking about the trillions of dollars that we have in debt to
other nations is coming back to haunt us. Will the Chinese have so
many American dollars that we will start building kits for them? Will
$100 a barrel oil run up the cost of model cars that we will build our
own kits instead of shipping them overseas, assembling them then
shipping them back here? Will we have lost all our skills of assembly?
One O scaler who still sniffs glue,
Ken Towler


Kits? 50 + years ago.

Edwin C. Kirstatter <Q1xaMacArthur1@...>
 

Now if you go back to 1956 and glance through the
adds in the MR for that year you will find many more
kit makers listed than you already mentioned.

Aunthenticast, Ayres, Binkly/Laconia, Cliff Line, Gilbert,
Kurtz-Kraft, L-W Models, M.Dale Newton/Red Ball, M.E.W.,
Main Line, Roundhouse/MDC and Selly.

In years before that we had A-C Models, Ideal, Lehigh, Megow
Walthers & etc. This is just HO.

And how many of those "Dollar Cars" did you build before
the advent of styrene? Could you do better now?
Edwin C. Kirstatter, B&O Modeler.


Re: trucks for flatcar?

Stephen Bishop
 

Thanks.

Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@opendoor.com> wrote: On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:18 PM, Steve Bishop superlab2003 wrote:

I am finishing an Eastern Car Works depressed center flat for the New
Haven RR. My information on the trucks says they were simply "low
profile, friction bearing, four-wheel trucks". Any idea what HO trucks
would be closest to the prototype?
The correct trucks for these models are Eastern Car Works' own
Commonwalth High Capacity trucks, stock #9063.

Richard Hendrickson






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Hutchins boxcar end

destron@...
 

Does anyone know of a source for good photos and drawings of the Hutchins
boxcar end?

Frank Valoczy
Modelling the Piedmont & Northern in TT.


Re: Kits? 50 + years ago.

eabracher@...
 

How many kit builders? Well, there are more than a few. I have been
manufacturing Ho/HOn3 kits for 35+ years and am still going strong and adding new
ones each month.

Of course the narrow gauge ones sell more than the standard gauge kits but
both are doing well.

check my web www.riograndemodels.com

eric


Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

rfederle@...
 

Might as well throw Walthers and Red Ball out there too.

Robert Federle
---- Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@yahoo.com> wrote:

Guyz,

Allow me to fill in 3 more; Megow, Kaisner, and Laconia.
Fred Freitas

ljack70117@adelphia.net wrote:
Did I see John English in the list?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:40 AM, <rfederle@cox.net> <rfederle@cox.net>
wrote:

And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name
a few more.

Robert Federle
---- "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central
Valley ,Globe and
Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us


Another point worth making is that there really wasn't
all that
much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what
you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars,
Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts
all
over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures
and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too
much
trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building
great
models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And
what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and
look at the magazine photos.
Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable
then.
Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you
couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do
with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into
view.
People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser
locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your
free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype
information being published; practically no modelers had
discovered the
Cyc and other resources.
The progress to today is really qualitative, not just
quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the
golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the
hobby
is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

Guyz,

Allow me to fill in 3 more; Megow, Kaisner, and Laconia.
Fred Freitas

ljack70117@adelphia.net wrote:
Did I see John English in the list?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:40 AM, <rfederle@cox.net> <rfederle@cox.net>
wrote:

And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name
a few more.

Robert Federle
---- "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central
Valley ,Globe and
Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us


Another point worth making is that there really wasn't
all that
much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what
you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars,
Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts
all
over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures
and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too
much
trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building
great
models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And
what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and
look at the magazine photos.
Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable
then.
Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you
couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do
with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into
view.
People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser
locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your
free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype
information being published; practically no modelers had
discovered the
Cyc and other resources.
The progress to today is really qualitative, not just
quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the
golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the
hobby
is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Branchline AAR boxcar

Ed Hawkins
 

On Feb 2, 2007, at 6:51 PM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Feb 2, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Camas74 wrote:

> In looking at the end ladders supplied with the branchline kit and
> referencing protoype photos of NP boxcars, it looks to me like the
end
> ladders are the same width as the side ladders...
>
> All my photos are at an angle however so I can't be sure one way or
> the other...Can someone enlighten me if the branchline end ladders
are
> accurate, either for the NP or other RR's cars of this type???
To which Richard replied:

I've always been puzzled about why the BLT end ladders are narrower
than the side ladders. There may have been prototype cars on which
that was true, but if so I'm not aware of it. And I have several
photos that clearly show the end ladders on the NP's post-WW-II AAR
box
cars to be the same width as the side ladders.

Richard Hendrickson
Matt and Richard,
Side and end ladders came in multiple ways for the 10'-6" IH AAR box
cars built from 1945 to 1960. Cars of this type built in "Richard's
era" of October 1947 and before often had side and end ladders of the
same width. Side ladders were commonly, but not universally, 18-1/2"
apart (measurement between the rung bolt head centers). Some cars built
during the 1945-1960 period had end ladders 2" narrower than the side
ladders. There were other fractional differences in widths.

Complicating the matter for modelers and manufacturers of plastic
"standard" AAR box cars, during the 1950s the bottom part of the end
ladders were sometimes flared on one side (like Kadee tooled for PS-1
box cars), and there were at least two variations of this arrangement
I've found. Common examples of these end ladders have the top 5 rungs
at 16-1/2" wide and the bottom 2 rungs at 18-1/2" wide (again, measured
to the bolt centers). Additional variations included the common use of
both 7-rung and 8-rung ladders, different types of ladder rungs, each
with different methods of attachment, and different rung spacing. For
example, 18-3/8" spacing was common for 7-rung ladders but was not a
universal dimension.

When Branchline Trains tooled their "standard" AAR 50' and 40'
Blueprint Series AAR box cars, they had numerous challenges that
resulted in having to make judgment calls and compromises on the many
variations found in the technical data and photographs they used. I can
vividly recall conversations with Bill Schneider when we discussed
variations of side and end ladders. Bill kept reminding me about the
tooling cost that needed to be kept within reason. Originally BLT
settled on one set of 7-rung ladders that they tooled, and they chose
to have the end ladders narrower than the side ladders. With some
"encouragement" they later produced a set of 8-rung ladders.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


SAL B-7 Box Coming in BOTH S Scale AND HO!!!

John Degnan <Scaler164@...>
 

Everyone is probably already familiar with my efforts to get the SAL's B-7 Round Roof (or Turtle-Back), 19000-19499 series boxcars produced in my new scale of interest - S scale. But I have just this morning received comfirmation from my manufacturer that this model will definitely be offered in HO as well. The S scale version will come first (hopefully by the end of this year), and the HO version second (date still to be determined).

ALL reservations should be made with Jim King (jimking3@charter.net) of www.smokymountainmodelworks.com. And if anyone has any photographs of these cars you can offer as helps for this project and its accompanying, promotional web page (below), they should be sent to myself (scaler164@comcast.net) AND Jim King.

Promotional Web Page:
http://www.trainweb.org/seaboard/SALRoundRoofBoxCarProject.htm

If one man can make it happen in S scale, surely there is enough interest amongst HO scalers to see this car made in HO. So send Jim and e-mail and let him know how many you'd like to have!


John Degnan
Scaler164@comcast.net
The Seaboard Air Line Information Collective and Photo Archive
www.trainweb.org/seaboard or
www.trainweb.org/seabonard/index.htm
P.S. ALSO coming in S and HO : SAL LOW-Side Gondolas!!!


The DS/SS split - Thanks and an update

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Many thanks to the following people answered my request for help in
pinning down the split between double sheathed and single sheathed
box and auto cars for the U.S. fleet in July, 1950: Jim Brewer, Al
Brown, Brian Ehni, Richard Hendrickson, and Dennis Storzek. Thanks to
their efforts, over 8,000 cars have been removed from "Unknown"
status and categorized into DS, SS, steel, or "Other". Here is the
current breakdown:

U.S. box, auto, and ventilator cars in interchange service, July,
1950 ORER:
Type_____ %_____ number
DS _____ 9.0% __ 64,629
SS ____ 21.1% _ 150,612
Steel _ 66.5% _ 475,872
Other __ 0.7% ___ 4,758
Unknown_ 2.7% __ 19,258
Total __ 100% _ 715,129

This means that over 97% of the fleet is categorized; two-thirds of
it is steel and the rest is a combination of DS, SS, or "Other". The
DS/SS split is 30% DS and 70% SS. Nearly all of the "Other" category
consists of the Santa Fe's "panel" cars or the GN's "plywood" cars.
The ORER classifies the "panel" cars as DS, and the "plywood" cars
are often considered DS also, so shifting them would add a little to
the DS side of the ledger.

Later today (if time permits), I'll post the breakdown for several
specific railroads.

*****

Answers have been given for about half of the cars on my "help
needed" list, but the other half still remains.

I will be most appreciative if you can provide me information on the
following car series. Most important is whether the cars are DS, SS,
steel (or steel rebuild), or "other" (if "other", what?). If in
addition you can provide the date when built (and rebuilt, if
appropriate), that would be great! Further information such as
class, sub-category (e.g., "Fowler" or "Ribside") would be nice, but
is not necessary. Of course, references to photographs would be
wonderful. The classification should reflect the status of the
series as of July, 1950. If these cars can be classified, over 98% of
the fleet will be categorized.

Road, AAR, Kind, Series, IL, Door, Capy, Qty
CNW, XM, Box, 63000-64898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 515
CNW, XM, Box, 74900-76898, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 971
CNW, XM, Box, 111000-111998, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 482
CNW, XMR, Auto, 54000-54798, 40'6", 12'0", 80000, 393
CG, XM, Box, 40300-40699, 39'10", 6'0", 80000, 351
IC, XM, Box, 15500-15796, 40'2", 6'0", 80000, 291
IC, XM, Box, 25000-25499, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 258
IC, XM, Box, 37500-37993, 40'6", 10'0", 80000, 486
IC, XM, Box, 40250-40499, 50'5", 12'0", 75000, 242
L&N, XM, Box, 13500-13999, 40'6", 6'0", 100000, 244
L&N, XM, Box, 48700-48949, 40'6", 10'0", 100000, 243
MEC, XM, Box, 35301-35650, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 243
MP, XM, Box, 44000-44410, 40'4", 6'0", 80000, 408
MP, XM, Box, 45251-45494, 40'3", 6'0", 80000, 239
MP, XAR, Auto, 75280-75479, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 200
MP, XAR, Auto, 75480-75999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 338
MP, XAR, Auto, 76150-76999, 40'6", 12'1", 80000, 308
SB&M, XM, Box, 20051-20550, 40'0", 6'0", 80000, 384
SP, XM, Box, 66175-66674, 40'6", 10'7", 100000, 428
T&P, XM, Box, 30000-30316, 40'6", 6'0", 80000, 312

Thanks in advance!

Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

ljack70117@...
 

Did I see John English in the list?
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Feb 3, 2007, at 10:40 AM, <rfederle@cox.net> <rfederle@cox.net> wrote:

And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name a few more.

Robert Federle
---- "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and
Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us


Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that
much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what
you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars,
Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all
over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures
and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much
trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great
models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And
what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and
look at the magazine photos.
Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then.
Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you
couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do
with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view.
People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser
locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your
free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype
information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the
Cyc and other resources.
The progress to today is really qualitative, not just
quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the
golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby
is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

armprem
 

Ambroid too.Armand Premo

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From: <rfederle@cox.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us


> And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name a few more.
>
> Robert Federle
> ---- "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net> wrote:
>> Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and
>> Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
>> To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM
>> Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us
>>
>>
>> > Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that
>> > much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what
>> > you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars,
>> > Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all
>> > over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures
>> > and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much
>> > trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great
>> > models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And
>> > what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and
>> > look at the magazine photos.
>> > Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then.
>> > Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you
>> > couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do
>> > with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view.
>> > People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser
>> > locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your
>> > free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype
>> > information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the
>> > Cyc and other resources.
>> > The progress to today is really qualitative, not just
>> > quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the
>> > golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby
>> > is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from.
>> >
>> > Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
>> > 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
>> > (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
>> > Publishers of books on railroad history
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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>> >
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

rfederle@...
 

And Armand, you forgot Quality Craft, Suydam and Penn Line to name a few more.

Robert Federle
---- "A. Premo" <armprem@surfglobal.net> wrote:

Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and
Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us


> Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that
> much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what
> you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars,
> Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all
> over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures
> and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much
> trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great
> models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And
> what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and
> look at the magazine photos.
> Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then.
> Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you
> couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do
> with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view.
> People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser
> locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your
> free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype
> information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the
> Cyc and other resources.
> The progress to today is really qualitative, not just
> quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the
> golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby
> is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from.
>
> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
> 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
> (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote:

Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that
much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with
what you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal
cars, Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit
layouts all over the country and see the exact same freight cars
(and structures and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything
else was far too much trouble.
Which is why many of us who were interested in scratchbuilding
gravitated to narrow gauge. The sort of detailed prototype
information we now take for granted began surfacing for Colorado
narrow gauge half a century ago. MR articles by Len Madsen, RMC
plans by Al Kamm and the availability of John Maxwell's drawings
from the newly-established Colorado Railroad Museum gave narrow
gaugers a leg up on serious prototype modeling. Plus the prototype
equipment still existed and was accessible for measuring and
photographing.

Next month marks the 50th anniversary of Len Madsen's landmark March
1957 MR article on scratchbuilding a D&RGW narrow gauge drop bottom
gon. That, and his article on scratchbuilding the Chama coaling
tower a couple of years later were responsible for pulling me into
serious HOn3 modeling for over 25 years. When I tired of the "quaint
and decrepit" factor in the mid-80's, Dennis Storzek's article
on "Seven Improvements to Athearn Box Cars" and Richard
Hendrickson's WestRail conversion kits were there to greet me and
demonstrate that the detailed information we took for granted in
narrow gauge modeling was coming to light for standard gauge. More
than anything, it's the availability of good prototype information
that makes good modeling possible.

To close the loop on the thread title, I was in Caboose Hobbies on
Wednesday. There were dozens of Red Caboose and InterMountain cars
on the shelves, but not one RC or IM kit.

Tom Madden


Kits? 50 + years ago.

Rhbale@...
 

Some of those kits are still around, virtually in their original form, albeit
under different names. The HO flat car and wood bridge kits Tom Ayres (Ayres
Models) originally developed in the 1950s were later sold to Augie Kniff
(Tru-Scale) who in turn sold them to E. Suydam Company. To assist Leo Campbell get
his new company started in the mid-1960s, Tom Ayres persuaded Ed Suydam to
sell the bridge line to Campbell. Leo retired last year and sold Campbell Scale
Models, including the bridges, to Peter Campbell (no relation) who continues to
offer the bridges today - some 55 years later. A similar circuitous life
befell Ayres mat board structure kits which are still manufactured and sold by
Alpine Division Scale Models.

Dick Bale
Carlsbad, CA


Re: Kits? Yep...they're still with us

armprem
 

Tony,You forgot to mention Silver Streak , Central Valley ,Globe and Mantua to name a few others.Armand Premo

----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@signaturepress.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kits? Yep...they're still with us


> Another point worth making is that there really wasn't all that
> much scratch building 50 years ago or so. You just made do with what
> you could get. Layouts were full of Athearn and Ulrich metal cars,
> Varney plastic, and some paper-side cars. You could visit layouts all
> over the country and see the exact same freight cars (and structures
> and passenger cars and . . . ) because anything else was far too much
> trouble. Sure, some talented and energetic people were building great
> models, but I'd guess there were no more of them then than now. And
> what they built wouldn't be that impressive today. Just go back and
> look at the magazine photos.
> Layouts like Jack Burgess's YV were really inconceivable then.
> Jack has had to scratch build an awful lot, but 50 years ago you
> couldn't even get sheet styrene (nor would you have known what to do
> with it), and the very first brass engines were just coming into view.
> People thought Ambroid kits were "too hard," and hey, those Bowser
> locomotives didn't look THAT odd with Belpaire boilers on your
> free-lanced short line. And there was hardly any serious prototype
> information being published; practically no modelers had discovered the
> Cyc and other resources.
> The progress to today is really qualitative, not just
> quantitative. Richard Hendrickson is right when he says "THIS is the
> golden age." When we have one of these discussion about where the hobby
> is and where it's going, let's not forget where it's come from.
>
> Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
> 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
> (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
> Publishers of books on railroad history
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Rail Model Journal??

pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Jon Miller asked:
What issue, it seems it's a couple of months behind.
And Tony Thompson answered:
You're right, Jon, it tends to run a couple of months off. What I
got at the end of January was the issue for December 2006. But they
do come regularly.
My January 2007 issue arrived earlier in the week.

Tom Madden

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