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Re: Origins of DT&I single-sheathed boxcars, series DTI 10500-10599

Dennis Storzek <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Mark Heiden" <mark_heiden@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,

I was looking at the Detroit, Toledo & Ironton Modelers Page this
morning, and I came across some photos of what appear to sawtooth
Fowler or Fowler clone boxcars. The photos can be found at:

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototype_Images/rs/dti10561FowlerBoxGrVillageMI
jun15_02.jpg
The end construction would lead me to believe these were Canadian
built cars; ex GTW perhaps? The Henry Ford Museum has one of these at
Greenfield Village, and I see that the fist picture was taken at te
museum.

Dennis


MDT Flat Car with MilkTank Trailers

rckwallaby
 

Some time ago, maybe in the mid '80s, OMI produced a brass model of
the very fascinating Merchants Despatch flat car which carried two
Milk Tank road trailers. The fixings to contain the trailers involved
a swivel plate.

I'm interested to learn of any references to this prototype car.
I think they were about 1939 vintage.
Where were they used ?
What lines were they moved on ?
Any photos of the prototype ?
Any photos of pick-up facilities where they were loaded onto the flat
cars ?
What about off-loading at dairy factories ?

Here's a link to a hobby shop in Switzerland where I found photos of
the model. No they don't have any in stock.
http://www.trainmaster.ch/X-259.htm

I've done a google search but haven't found anything relevant to
these specific cars. Hope someone here has some knowledge on this.

Cheers
Phil Morrow


Origins of DT&I single-sheathed boxcars, series DTI 10500-10599

Mark Heiden
 

Hello everyone,

I was looking at the Detroit, Toledo & Ironton Modelers Page this
morning, and I came across some photos of what appear to sawtooth
Fowler or Fowler clone boxcars. The photos can be found at:

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototype_Images/rs/dti10561FowlerBoxGrVillageMI
jun15_02.jpg

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototype_Images/nr/DTI99642aJS.jpg

http://dti.railfan.net/Pototype_Images/nr/DTI99642JS.jpg

These cars were from the series DTI 10500-10599. They were on the
roster in 1926 and 1930, but gone by 1938. Does anyone know when
these cars were built, and by what builder? They remind me of Frisco
sawtooth Fowlers, so could they have been second-hand purchases by
the DT&I? Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Mark Heiden


Re: Chrysler Trucks (was New P2K 50' Boxcars in SP...)

thetrainman00@...
 

Hi Shawn;

Please forgive this eastern modeler for asking but what exactly is the
difference in the Chrysler truck and a standard truck?

Happy Model Railroading,
Jim Krapf
Modeling the CNJ, L&S Div 60s & 70s


REA Green

RICH NUNN <flyingtigers_nunn@...>
 

Dear Mr. Hawkins and other listers:

Thank you for the very nice presentation in the Railway Prototype Cyclopedia on the area of the 50 foot express refrigerator cars. On page 60, volume 7, you show a color photo of REA car # 1225. The verbage included in the phot only refers to the color as "Dark Green". Would you care to comment on the color and the shade of the "dark green" in the photo? I don't believe my painter has this book- and I need to tell him what the color might be. I don't have a scalecoat color chart available.

Thanks for your assistance,

Rich Nunn


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Re: New P2K 50' Boxcars in SP . . .and other schemes.

Scott Pitzer
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee

What about the prototypicality of the other five cars?

NYC
NYC's cars had somewhat different eaves. And they were built early
enough to have received three-panel doors (the model has the later,
more durable, four-panel doors.)
Scott Pitzer


Re: FOR SALE: Car Builders Dictionary 1906

Paul Lyons
 

Sorry guys, I thought I was off list. Not sure what happened.
Paul lyons
Laguna Niguel, Ca

-----Original Message-----
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] FOR SALE: Car Builders Dictionary 1906


Denny, Is the CBC Dictionary long gone? If not I will take it. Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: danspach@...
To: STMFC@...; PassengerCarList@...; MILW@...; CBQ@...; rlhsgroup@...
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] FOR SALE: Car Builders Dictionary 1906

I have the following duplicate for sale:

THE CAR BUILDER'S DICTIONARY, The Railroad Gazette, Chicago 1906;
republished Newton K. Gregg, Kentfield CA. 1971. Large format
hardbound. No wraps. 568 pp. Minor use. One tiny abrasion on front
cover. $75.00 FOB Sacramento.

This is an excellent worthy reprint.

Please contact me ONLY off-list :-)!

Denny
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Sacramento

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Re: FOR SALE: Car Builders Dictionary 1906

Paul Lyons
 

Denny, Is the CBC Dictionary long gone? If not I will take it. Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: danspach@...
To: STMFC@...; PassengerCarList@...; MILW@...; CBQ@...; rlhsgroup@...
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 3:15 PM
Subject: [STMFC] FOR SALE: Car Builders Dictionary 1906


I have the following duplicate for sale:

THE CAR BUILDER'S DICTIONARY, The Railroad Gazette, Chicago 1906;
republished Newton K. Gregg, Kentfield CA. 1971. Large format
hardbound. No wraps. 568 pp. Minor use. One tiny abrasion on front
cover. $75.00 FOB Sacramento.

This is an excellent worthy reprint.

Please contact me ONLY off-list :-)!

Denny
--
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Sacramento


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Re: Sunshine Box Cars

Paul Lyons
 

Jim, I have keep my list updated. I believe it to be acurate and current. Would you like a copy? As sort of the lists unoffical Sunshine historian, I will let you be the judge.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: jimandlisa97225@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 1:21 PM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Sunshine Box Cars


Dan, 37.5 & .6 are double door, double sheathed Southern auto cars. 55.4 is
double door, steel sheathed.

As far as I know, there hasn't been a complete kit list since the Winter
2005-06 list. There have been at least 2 addendums called 'Recent
Introductions'. The most recent, titled 'Recent Introductions, Spring 2007'
seems to include everything issued since the Winter 2005-06 list. I hope to
have all these 'recent introductions' added to my All Time List soon. I'll
let the group know when it's available.

Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon





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Fw: [SOUmodeler] Savannah Prototype Modeler's Meet 2007

Frank Greene
 

FYI for those who haven't seen the announcement. In addition, Bob forgot to include the Sleep Inn Motel's phone #: (912) 966-9800.

Frank Greene
Memphis, TN

----- Original Message -----
Gentlemen,
The eighth annual Savannah Prototype Modeler's Meet will be held on March 30th and 31st at the Port Wentworth recreation center in Port Wentworth, Ga. The recreation center is located on Crossgate Rd, appox. two miles east of Highway 21. Take exit 109 and drive toward Savannah to Crossgate Rd. Turn left on Crossgate Rd. and continue until you see the red caboose. We will meet in the large building on your right. The doors will open at 9A on both days and remain open until 11P both days.

The model display will be the focus of the meet and we ask that you bring as many models as you can. Models of locomotives, rolling stock, buildings, vehicles are all welcome as are models of all types under construction.

Along with the large model display, we will have several clinics relating to different aspects of modeling and of the prototype. This year's list of clinicians includes Rick Bell, Ken Preston, Todd Horton, Tony Sisson, Jason Greene, Bob Graham, Warren Calloway, Tommy Parker and Bob Harpe.

All historical associations and societies are welcome to come set up their display tables for the weekend. Each historical group will be given two free tables and two free registrations for the weekend. Additional tables are available at the rate of $25.00 each.

Sale tables will be set up for those that have good, quality model railroad equipment for sale. We ask that you mark each box with your name on the bottom and the selling price on the sides or ends. We would appreciate it if when you preregister, you would let us know if you are bringing models to sell and approximately how many you will bring.

We have a block of 25 rooms reserved at the Sleep Inn Motel located at exit 109 on I-95 which is the first exit inside the Georgia state line when coming from South Carolina and all points north. The rate for a double room is $54.95 + tax and you must tell the attendant on duty that you are with the Savannah Prototype Modeler's Meet to get this rate.

Registration for this year's meet is $20.00 per person, preregistered and $22.50 at the door. Please make your checks to Bob Harpe and signify that the check is payment for registration.

If you have questions or need more information, please contact me at: RobertHarpe@...

Bob Harpe
Meet Coordinator


Re: Freight Car Pictorial by Wayner ?????????

Tony Thompson
 

Ted Schnepf wrote:
Did both editions have the same cover?
Yes. I thought the title lettering was a different color, but it's the same.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: New P2K 50' Boxcars in SP . . .and other schemes.

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Schuyler Larrabee

What about the prototypicality of the other five cars?

NYC
GTW
SSW
P&LE
CB&Q
----- Original Message -----

I did some checking of my own on this, at least the previous issues of the NYC and P&LE cars. From what I could tell they were OK, except that the NYC car had the wrong lot number on it. (Does anyone make NYC lot stencils?) Admittedly, I don't know if they had the right brake wheels, running boards, or trucks.

Richard Hendrickson did an article in the April 1998 RMJ on these cars, and one on the auto cars in the October 1995 issue (according to the MR on-line index). I don't have these articles but I'm sure he did his usual history + prototype photos + kit review article that would have all the answers you need.

KL


Re: Freight Car Pictorial by Wayner ?????????

Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
 

Hi Tony,

Did both editions have the same cover?

Ted

At 11:13 AM 2/13/2007, you wrote:

Art Marr wrote:
Wayner put out the two SP books and he also did the aptly named by
Richard, "the freak show book. That one came out in mid 1990's. Are
you saying there are two versions of that book also?
Yes. One has several substituted photos, compared to the other,
in different parts of the book, though maybe 90 or 95% of it is the
same.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history




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Re: Freight Car Pictorial by Wayner ?????????

abmarr2
 

Thanks Tony.

Art Marr
Reno, NV

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Freight Car Pictorial by Wayner ?????????


Art Marr wrote:
> Wayner put out the two SP books and he also did the aptly named by
> Richard, "the freak show book. That one came out in mid 1990's. Are
> you saying there are two versions of that book also?

Yes. One has several substituted photos, compared to the other,
in different parts of the book, though maybe 90 or 95% of it is the
same.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Good photo for early freight cars

Schuyler Larrabee
 


New P2K 50' Boxcars in SP . . .and other schemes.

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Jason Sanford asked a specific question about the new release of P2K 50' single door box cars, in
particular the SP version.

These aren't easy to search out as a group on Walthers web site, but they're on page 41 of the March
07 RMC.

What about the prototypicality of the other five cars?

NYC
GTW
SSW
P&LE
CB&Q


SGL (no that's not another set of reporting marks, exactly.)


More on P&N cars

destron@...
 

I just received a bound volume containing P&N's "Semaphore" magazine, all
12 from 1957. What fortune that there were three photos inside of P&N
boxcars - it was in 1957 that they were being refurbished for further
life. They retained the wood sheathing and everything as was, just fixed
up.

One of them was completely new to me: #1104 - Hutchins ends, early
Youngstown doors (as on USRA SS cars)

Then, there was a picture of #1108. I've seen this referred to elsewhere
as having Vulcan ends, however this photo (true, following its 1957
refurbishment) shows very clearly that it has Hutchins ends. This one,
too, has the early Youngstown door.

The third photo in this binding of Semaphore is a bit unclear, the
lettering quite faded on a car about to go in for refurbishment, but it
looks to be either #1101 (of which I have a broadside view - the lettering
style matches) or #1111. This shows the same early-style Youngstown door,
but the end is something I've never seen before: it looks like the
dreadnaught or Murphy type ribs, but arranged vertically! I'll try to get
these scanned as soon as I can, so everyone can see what I'm talking
about.

I've been shown another photo, this one of #1113. It has the later
"Service with Courtesy" herald (so we know now that that dates at least as
far back as 1958, which is when that photo was published in an issue of
Semaphore), with Hutchins ends and the same early Youngstown door.

I looked again at my other photos, and came to see that #1102 also has
that same door style, but #1112 (illustrated in "Piedmont Prodigy") has
what looks to be some sort of 6-5-6 door.

Regards,
Frank Valoczy


Re: Guides to common components, was: USRA SS boxcars, and roofs

destron@...
 

I am not modeling in HO, so the "get the XXX part
or
kit ..." is not an answer. Frank on the later box car types, Ed Hawkin's
has done a wonderful job with his lists on the Steam Era Freight Cars
site.

Don Burn
This would apply to me as well, since I am modeling in what is almost
purely a scratchbuilder's scale.

Thanks for the tip on the lists, I'll check those out presently.

Frank Valoczy


FOR SALE: Car Builders Dictionary 1906

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

I have the following duplicate for sale:

THE CAR BUILDER'S DICTIONARY, The Railroad Gazette, Chicago 1906; republished Newton K. Gregg, Kentfield CA. 1971. Large format hardbound. No wraps. 568 pp. Minor use. One tiny abrasion on front cover. $75.00 FOB Sacramento.

This is an excellent worthy reprint.

Please contact me ONLY off-list :-)!

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: Sunshine Box Cars

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Dan, 37.5 & .6 are double door, double sheathed Southern auto cars. 55.4 is
double door, steel sheathed.



As far as I know, there hasn't been a complete kit list since the Winter
2005-06 list. There have been at least 2 addendums called 'Recent
Introductions'. The most recent, titled 'Recent Introductions, Spring 2007'
seems to include everything issued since the Winter 2005-06 list. I hope to
have all these 'recent introductions' added to my All Time List soon. I'll
let the group know when it's available.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon

136941 - 136960 of 197081