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Lehigh Valley Wartime Composite Hoppers

George Courtney
 

Following the recent discussion on the Wabash cars does anyone know how
long the Lehigh Valley Composite cars lasted before being rebuilt?
Thanks,
George Courtney


New version of digital ORER is available

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Hi Larry,

I wonder if you'd be able to post a version that includes the Canadian content?

Rob Kirkham


Re: anthracite hoppers

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Could also be petroleum coke from the Coffeyville KS area.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 03 March, 2007 19:43
Subject: Re: [STMFC] anthracite hoppers


Tim O'Connor wrote:
> While it's true that much Fontana coal and ore came from
Utah, I have
> not seen photos of MP hoppers on the Rio Grande or UP in
that area. I
> think it's idle speculation in the absence of photos.

Tim is right: I have not seen Mopac hoppers in
photos at the
Colorado/Utah mines either, though I have not particularly
searched
them. I was indeed speculating, though on the basis of
other inter-road
cooperation between D&RGW and MP. As pointed out, the
Mopac coal may
well have come from somewhere else.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press,
Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com
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Re: New file uploaded to STMFC

Rob Adams
 

Gene;

I have an HO Proto 2000 model that I need to modify the paint on (paint over the black roof and ends). I went out to the STMFC files section to take a look but don't see this file. Any chance you could e-mail it to me?

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Eugene E. Deimling wrote:


I posted a photo showing part of the only known remains of a C&IM
Mather car. The picture was taken in a barn but it clearly shows
the unique Mather design features and the color. The end of this
car was a "freight car red" color.
I also have a frame from a movie showing the same class of car with
orange-like sides with a yellow repaint spot.

Gene Deimling

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Description : Recent shot of a C&IM Mather boxcar stored in a
barn shows a yellow color clearly.

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: anthracite hoppers

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] anthracite hoppers


Tim O'Connor writes:

"While it's true that much Fontana coal and ore came from Utah, I have
not seen photos of MP hoppers on the Rio Grande or UP in that area. I
think it's idle speculation in the absence of photos."

We have many small "windows" into the past...of different types from photos to frt conductor books. These "windows" provide us with "leads" but it's difficult to be confident with conclusions that might be drawn. To add to the confusion of this case, I have photos of MP hoppers in Laramie in the early 50's. Should we jump to conclusions about their cargo? Not me.

Mike Brock


Prati device

Rupert & Maureen <gamlenz@...>
 

In 1944, CB&Q XM-32 box cars #32097 and 32474 were fitted with a Prati device. The device was removed from #32097 in October 1965 but I don't know the fate of the one in #32474.

The question is "what is or was a Prati device?"

Ken Martin found a patent numbered 2548057 issued to Enrico Prati in 1946 for "Carload adjustment means" From the application:
"This invention relates to means for adjusting the load in a railroad car or the like for the purpose of providing a compact load in transit and for facilitating removal of the load at its point of destination."


Was this any early DF or compartmentaliser or similar?


Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: anthracite hoppers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
While it's true that much Fontana coal and ore came from Utah, I have not seen photos of MP hoppers on the Rio Grande or UP in that area. I think it's idle speculation in the absence of photos.
Tim is right: I have not seen Mopac hoppers in photos at the Colorado/Utah mines either, though I have not particularly searched them. I was indeed speculating, though on the basis of other inter-road cooperation between D&RGW and MP. As pointed out, the Mopac coal may well have come from somewhere else.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Atlas Type 105 tank cars

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

Dear Mr. Hawkins,

Thank you very much for providing the source for the GOPX photos. I received photocopies of each lot today from Ms. Cribbs. The contrast is poor on these photocopies between the orange and black.

On GOPX 103 (Lot 2631 of 1943), the black seems to be between 7 o'clock and 5 o'clock (viewed from the end) - below the stiffening angle. On GOPX 201 (Lot 3728), the black appears to reach the stiffener (8 o'clock to 4 o'clock although I can't tell whether the stiffener is black or orange). On the other two photos, GOPX 104 in Lot 2696 of 1944 and GOPX 95 from Lot 3152 of 1947, I can't tell where the demarcation was.

The photo of #201 form 1952 has much greater contrast between the upper and lower shell and even has reflections of the surroundings on the end and upper shell. Were these cars also orange? This is the only one of the photos with the capacity, light weight and built date visible in white on the black below the stiffeners.

Is the DuPont orange like the Hooker cars? Now I have to find a good font to represent this lettering.

Do you know if the Sunshine UTLX X-5 car is similar to the longer AC&F cars (42'-2 1/8")?

I asked about the bills of materials, but Ms. Cribbs didn't mention them in her return cover letter.

I really appreciate the termendous help you have provided -- the lead to the photos and the details of construction including courses, dimensions, and hardware.

With sincere thanks,

Lou Whiteley

Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

On Nov 16, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Louis C. Whiteley wrote:

I'm interested in earlier GOPX tank cars, which I believer were in
series 90-94;95-99; 100-101; 102-103; and 104-106. I have seen
references to them as either all silve or orange with a black band
(ala Hooker?).

The references were to AC&F builders photos. Where can I purchase
copies of these photos?

Did all have dome platforms or not? Any lead as to lettering
style? The earlier cars had home points of Oxford, PA (which I
model) and Miami. Did the lettering include these points?

Lou Whiteley
Lou,
The GOPX 90-99 series cars were built 9-47 (lot 3152) and had 6-section
jackets. They had Apex running boards and dome platforms (simple
platforms on the sides). The top of the casing except dome was painted
Dupont Orange. Dome was painted white. Bottom of casing, underframe,
trucks, ladders, and hand rails were painted black. Black stencils over
orange and white stencils over black, except that "GAS OIL PRODUCTS,
INC." and "NATUROL GAS" black stencils were outlined in white. This
car more or less matches the Atlas model, with exceptions as previously
noted on the STMFC (such as the Atlas model has wood running boards and
a number of other aberrations). Nearly identical cars were built as
GOPX 201-202 in 5-52 (lot 3728), except that lot 3152 had all three AB
brake components on the same side of the center sill and lot 3728 had
the reservoir on the other side of the center sill. Inside tank
diameter was 89-1/4" plus 8" insulation between the jacket and tank.
Underframe length was 38'-5 1/8" over end sills.

The GOPX 100-103 series cars were built 12-43 (lot 2631) and 104-105
were built 9-44 (lot 2696). These cars were built to an earlier Type 27
design, 85" ID tank (does not count the extra 8" added to the jacket
diameter for the 4" insulation blanket), underframe length 42'-2 1/8"
over the end sills (nearly 4' longer than the cars built in 1947 and
1952). Wood running boards and dome platforms. Similar painting as lot
3152 except domes were orange. Due to the increased length these cars
had jackets made of 7 sections. There were some variations in the
lettering between lot 2631 and 2696, including the sizes of some
stencils and placement.

The builder's photo of GOPX 103 has "Miami, Florida" stencils. GOPX 100
and 104 have "Oxford, Pennsylvania" stencils. Builder's photos for all
these cars are at the St. Louis Mercantile Library. I suspect that half
of the cars in each lot were lettered for the two respective locations,
although that is speculation on my part. If you want to locate the
photos for lot 2631, the bill of materials for this lot number is
grouped with and catalogued under lot 2656 (6 identical cars built for
NGCX). Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


B&S Freight cars

RICH NUNN <flyingtigers_nunn@...>
 

Dear Mr. Ed Hawkins and other listers:

Gentlemen:
Upon looking further at RP CYC volume 7 at the BS & BR freight cars, what were the appreciable differences between the Siems-Stembel cars and the Barney and Smith cars, other than length?

And question two: Do you have any pics or know of any, of the under car details of the BS cars? Is this covered in Volume 6 of the RPC? I would like to detail out a couple of older brass 50 foot cars with brake paraphenalia and steam lines.

Thanks,
Rich Nunn


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MP anthracite

asychis@...
 

Oops, I'll defer to Charlie. I forgot about Arkansas!

Jerry Michels

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Re: Digest Number 3526

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 3/3/2007 9:26:40 PM Central Standard Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

I don't know if anthracite was found along the MP, but I've
seen photos of lots of MP coal hoppers in the Santa Fe yard
in San Bernadino, California. I guess this coal came from
Missouri or Illinois.

Nope all bituminous and lignite in Missouri, Illinois, and Texas.

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New version of digital ORER is available

laramielarry <ostresh@...>
 

Hi Folks

I revised the Excel version of the July 1950 ORER and uploaded it to
the STEFA files.

The name of the file name is: ORER_7_1950_Box_Auto V2.xls
Its description is: ORER, July, 1950, Box and Auto car records for US
railroads

This version corrects a few errors that were in version 1. It also
adds the DS/SS/Steel data that many of you contributed last month.
In addition, several records were removed because the cars were not
in interchange service in July 1950 or because the railroads were
Canadian, not U.S.

As with version 1, not all of the ORER data were transcribed, but the
following are included:

Railroad abbreviation;
Starting and ending series number;
A.A.R. mechanical designation;
Abbreviated car description;
IL, IW, IH, and side door width in feet and inches;
Nominal capacity in pounds;
Number of cars.

Only A.A.R. type X and V (occasionally B & L) are included, and
only for cars owned by U.S. railroads and in interchange service.
The total number of cars is 714,637 in 2,766 records.

I also collated data from several files formerly or currently posted
on the STMFC site: Specifically, information about the type of car
(DS, SS, type of steel car - 1923 ARA, 1932 ARA, 1937 ARA, PS1, etc.)
was added to each record.

Mike Brock has kindly allowed me to post this file on the Steam Era
Freight Car Analysis (STEFA) site. To access the file, you will
first need to become a member of the group:

Post message: STEFA@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: STEFA-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: STEFA-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List owner: STEFA-owner@yahoogroups.com

STEFA's home page is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STEFA/

Best wishes,
Larry Ostresh
Laramie, Wyoming


Re: anthracite hoppers

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


I don't know if anthracite was found along the MP, but I've
seen photos of lots of MP coal hoppers in the Santa Fe yard
in San Bernadino, California. I guess this coal came from
Missouri or Illinois.

Tim -

That was probably metallurgical grade coal or coke in the MP hoppers
out there. It may have come from Arkansas or Illinois.

Down here in south Texas, there was some lignite coal (quite nice
lignite coal on the I-GN at Rockdale, Texas - almost as good quality
as bitumenous), but no anthracite. It was used locally as fuel.
Also found in poorer quality at Lytle, Texas on MP.

The anthracite used in water treatment plants most certainly came
from Pennsylvania - it was specially cleaned, washed and graded for
that purpose.

There was some bitumenous coal on the T&P west of Ft Worth. It had
no special characteristics, other than for use as fuel. T&P rostered
some double offset-side hoppers in the steam era for this traffic.

There was/is some wierd, unique coal in a small area that was served
by the I-GN at Laredo, Texas. A shortline, Rio Grande & Eagle Pass,
ran northwest out of Laredo to a "cannel" coal field at Minera, Texas
on the Rio Grande. This was a waxey coal - I have no idea what it
was used for, but it had a specialty use during the steam era -
possibly as a component of varnishes. It was similar, but not
identical to, gilsonite in the Book Cliff area of Colorado.

Note that Piedras Negras, Mexico is across the river from Eagle Pass,
Texas. Piedras Negras means "black rock" in Spanish - coal, but not
the cannel type, despite the nearness to Minera. There was a huge
steel rolling mill on the Mexican side during the steam era. A now-
deceased friend purchased the RG&EP rail and equipment in 1942 so
that he could construct the AFbase at Del Rio - he could not obtain
heavy equipment any faster way in those times. Their only loco was
an ex-LV GE 44-tonner, I recall.

A.T. Kott


Re: Reefer Round-up

Barry Roth
 

There's a conversion article in 9/1992 RMS by R. Smaus about turning these Tycos into R-30-21s. Two versions -- the "simple version" basically just adds decent trucks and hardware and leaves the Tyco roof, with its dippy little hatches, in place: stand-ins at best, although his examples are very nicely weathered. (The author admits as much; the point was to flesh out his PFE fleet at the time.) The "superdetailed" version adds new roof, ends, underframe; about all that survives of the Tyco car is the sides, and those have been planed down to remove the cast-on grabs and ladders. Since pretty good -18s and -21s are available off the shelf, you'd have to want to do this conversion for the fun of it, not because the class was otherwise hard to get ahold of.

Barry

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@verizon.net> wrote:

----- Original Message -----

[...]
Tyco wood side reefer (PFE R-30-18)
Ditto, naturally.

KL> Oh come on, it looks like fun!


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Re: Reefer Round-up

David Ball
 

Stan Rydarowicz did an article on kitbashing the IM R-40-23's into MDT
reefers in the May 99 Railmodel Journal. I don't have it hand, but from
memory it covered the ends, and it had his address as well to buy them if
wanted.

There was some good reason why he cast the kitbashed ends, although I can't
remember if it was because they require so much work that he'd rather cast
them than kit bash more, of if he was just planning on doing enough it was
worth his effort.

Cheers

David Ball


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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kurt
Laughlin
Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2007 9:48 a.m.
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Round-up

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com"STMFC@yahoogroups.-com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Round-up

Intermountain 405x (PFE R-40-23, but can be made into an MDT
The R-40-23 is dead-on accurate for PFE and NP. For MDT I stick
with resin kits! The Athearn end by the way is the same -- you'll
need a resin MDT end from Stan Rydarowicz.

KL> I was wondering about this. I have a MM 5/02 article by Roger Hinman
where he shows four different ends applicable to what he calls "M6" cars or
those built between 1947 and 1958. Also, in the archives I found this:

"Richard [Hendrickson] wrote: "The main problem in using IM's R-40-23 model
to represent an MDT 9000 series cars is that the ends are wrong. Other minor

details need modification as well, but it's a relatively easy kitbash,
leaving the factory lettering on the sides intact. The MDT cars had 3/4
improved Dreadnaught ends, not the 3/3 ends on the model (which are, of
course, correct for the PFE R-40-23s). I got a pair of replacement ends by
cutting them off an old Athearn reefer roof and carving and filing off the
ladders, grabs, and other molded-on junk. Turned out to be a lot easier
than it looked, as was taking the ends off the Intermountain car."

In the kits I have the IM models have 3/3 IDEs while the Atherns are 3/4
IDE. As a side note, I picked up two undec IM kits for $11.50. Eac had a
set of Details West 4/4 Sq DEs, a set of Champ ART decals, and a set of
Grandt Line reefer details. What do you think the original owner was trying
to create?

Why type of ends does Stan sell? What's his address?

MDC 31xx "36 ft Meat Reefer" (CRLX 5701-5850 or 5901-6100)
You need to subscribe to the RPI web site! :-) (John Nehrich has
identified some similar prototypes.)

KL> I do, but honestly some othe stuff is old, a lot of the photos don't
come up, and there are some errors, such as saying the Tyco car is "is
actually pretty close to the PFE's R-40-10" when it should be -18, -19,
and -21. It's hard to pick out just which prototypes go well with a
particular kit from the site. I actually found his MR article to be a
better starting point. I picked the Cudahy cars because that's what Richard
Hendrickson modeled in his RMC article (one of the few authors that I assume

to be prima facie correct).

Athearn 50xx "40 ft Steel Reefer" (PFE R-40-23, but can be made
into an MDT 9000 with some tweaking; others?)
"Tyco Toss"

KL> Yeah, maybe.

Tyco wood side reefer (PFE R-30-18)
Ditto, naturally.

KL> Oh come on, it looks like fun!

Walthers 25xx "40 ft meat reefer" (GATC horizontal sheathed; various
lessees with new sills, doors, ends, roof?)
Walthers did two different versions of the ends for this car. One is
correct for the Milwaukee lease cars. I think the other is correct for
some meat reefers (e.g. Armour). Sunshine did the Milwaukee car.

KL> I think I have the earlier release as described by Nehrich and would
like to do a PCX/TRAX car if anything. This will require a diagonal roof, I
think, in addition to other stuff.

Thanks,
KL






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Re: Athearn Flat Cars

B.T. Charles
 

Chuck, Mark and List Members,

the most recent roster I have stated
2700, 40' GMRC, sold 1987 somewhere in Manchester, VT, private
property, converted to a bridge
2709, 40' GMRC 2640, ex-Rutland 4020 Jordan p52, to UHRRR 1999
2762, 40' GMRC, to DRM/RRET
2777, 40' GMRC, Steamtown, PA, storing wheel lathe 84, restored w/
marble load `99
27xx, 40' VTR 5000 (1990's?)

The July ORER states that
25 - 2700-2799 flats
14 - 4000-4034 gon sides
8 - 4500-4509 gon sides
Of these cars in service, I would hazard a guess that only the gons
would have been in interchange for limestone service (paper), and the
unmodified flats were used mainly for ferry moves of marble.

Rome

RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Mark,
The best I could find on the Rutland series cars was that they
were
numbered in the 2700-2799 series and were black. In '53 only 30
remained. A
couple of years ago they were:

2700 used as a bridge
2709 on the Green Mountain Railway
2762 At the Danbury Railway Museum in Danbury CT
2777 At Steamtown displayed with a marble load

Chuck Hladik


Re: Wabash Rebuilt War Emegency Hopper

Chet French <cfrench@...>
 

Brian,

I have never been quite sure of the time frame when the cars received
steel sides.

The Dec. 1965 N&W diagram sheet for the cars states, "Heavy repairs
with wood slope sheets and sides being replaced with steel in 1956".

The July 1957 Wabash equipment book shows the cars still having wood
sides and slope sheets.

The July 1958 ORER shows the cars being composite type.

I also have a large ledger book showing purchases, retirements, and
conversion of Wabash equipment from Jan. 1945 through Dec. 1960 and
no mention is made of a program to change the sides from wood to
steel. Wish I knew for sure. I aldso have no need for the steel
sided cars either. Wish P2K had used the wood side car for the
Wabash cars.

Chet French
Dixon, IL







-- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Brian J Carlson" <brian@...> wrote:

I recently acquired a Wabash steel-sided WW2 War emergency hopper.
I was
surprised the car has a NEW date of 5-59. Apparently the Wabash
considered
them new cars for accounting purposes when they were resided. I
thought
this practice was no longer allowed after the early 1950's. When
did the
Wabash start to replace the sides with steel plate? According to
the Model
RR magazine index website, Ed Hawkins did a two part article in the
December
2000, and April 2001 issues of RMJ. Did either of these articles
discuss the
Wabash cars rebuilt with steel sides? My main quandary is I model
August
1957, can the model be renumbered to fit within my era. Thanks for
any help?
Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY


Re: Reefer Round-up

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Round-up

Intermountain 405x (PFE R-40-23, but can be made into an MDT
The R-40-23 is dead-on accurate for PFE and NP. For MDT I stick
with resin kits! The Athearn end by the way is the same -- you'll
need a resin MDT end from Stan Rydarowicz.

KL> I was wondering about this. I have a MM 5/02 article by Roger Hinman where he shows four different ends applicable to what he calls "M6" cars or those built between 1947 and 1958. Also, in the archives I found this:

"Richard [Hendrickson] wrote: "The main problem in using IM's R-40-23 model to represent an MDT 9000 series cars is that the ends are wrong. Other minor details need modification as well, but it's a relatively easy kitbash, leaving the factory lettering on the sides intact. The MDT cars had 3/4 improved Dreadnaught ends, not the 3/3 ends on the model (which are, of course, correct for the PFE R-40-23s). I got a pair of replacement ends by cutting them off an old Athearn reefer roof and carving and filing off the ladders, grabs, and other molded-on junk. Turned out to be a lot easier than it looked, as was taking the ends off the Intermountain car."

In the kits I have the IM models have 3/3 IDEs while the Atherns are 3/4 IDE. As a side note, I picked up two undec IM kits for $11.50. Eac had a set of Details West 4/4 Sq DEs, a set of Champ ART decals, and a set of Grandt Line reefer details. What do you think the original owner was trying to create?

Why type of ends does Stan sell? What's his address?

MDC 31xx "36 ft Meat Reefer" (CRLX 5701-5850 or 5901-6100)
You need to subscribe to the RPI web site! :-) (John Nehrich has
identified some similar prototypes.)

KL> I do, but honestly some othe stuff is old, a lot of the photos don't come up, and there are some errors, such as saying the Tyco car is "is actually pretty close to the PFE's R-40-10" when it should be -18, -19, and -21. It's hard to pick out just which prototypes go well with a particular kit from the site. I actually found his MR article to be a better starting point. I picked the Cudahy cars because that's what Richard Hendrickson modeled in his RMC article (one of the few authors that I assume to be prima facie correct).

Athearn 50xx "40 ft Steel Reefer" (PFE R-40-23, but can be made
into an MDT 9000 with some tweaking; others?)
"Tyco Toss"

KL> Yeah, maybe.

Tyco wood side reefer (PFE R-30-18)
Ditto, naturally.

KL> Oh come on, it looks like fun!

Walthers 25xx "40 ft meat reefer" (GATC horizontal sheathed; various
lessees with new sills, doors, ends, roof?)
Walthers did two different versions of the ends for this car. One is
correct for the Milwaukee lease cars. I think the other is correct for
some meat reefers (e.g. Armour). Sunshine did the Milwaukee car.

KL> I think I have the earlier release as described by Nehrich and would like to do a PCX/TRAX car if anything. This will require a diagonal roof, I think, in addition to other stuff.

Thanks,
KL


Re: anthracite hoppers

Tim O'Connor
 

In the '50s coal for the Kaiser steel mill at Fontana came across
Cajon Pass in MoPac hoppers, though I don't know where it came from.
The Kaiser mill was the only So. Calif. recipient of coal in
significant amounts.
Nearly all this coal was western Colorado/eastern Utah coal.
There are photos of both Utah Coal Route gons, and D&RGW gons and
hoppers, at Kaiser. Given the historic connections and cooperation
between Mopac and the Rio Grande, one can imagine some car sharing.
Tony Thompson
While it's true that much Fontana coal and ore came from Utah, I have
not seen photos of MP hoppers on the Rio Grande or UP in that area. I
think it's idle speculation in the absence of photos.

Tim O'Connor


Re: anthracite hoppers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
In the '50s coal for the Kaiser steel mill at Fontana came across Cajon Pass in MoPac hoppers, though I don't know where it came from. The Kaiser mill was the only So. Calif. recipient of coal in significant amounts.
Nearly all this coal was western Colorado/eastern Utah coal. There are photos of both Utah Coal Route gons, and D&RGW gons and hoppers, at Kaiser. Given the historic connections and cooperation between Mopac and the Rio Grande, one can imagine some car sharing.

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