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Re: HO-Accuracy of Overland B&O Wagontop Boxcar?

ogdentowebercanyon
 

Thanks for all of the input. Here is a specific car I am looking at below. It looks like it lacks the recessed sill like some mentioned. I compared this picture with a built sunshine kit from a proto meet and the missing recess is very glaring to me. Would this double door car have the recess also?


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Re: HO-Accuracy of Overland B&O Wagontop Boxcar?

Rob Adams
 

Jason;

Here's what I know based on my experience with the HO models. The M-15 rebuild versions that Overland did in HO scale lack the recessed side sill which was prominent on those variants. Other than that, I'd say that the models are a pretty nice rendition. It seems to me that those are 1980's imports, so the fidelity of details aren't quite up to the current state of the art, and may not satisfy modelers who expect the finer profile hand holds, ladders, etc. possible with current resin kits.

I'm not sure if Overland produced models of the M-53 or not, but side sills are different on that that car. I believe the side sheathing comes straight down all the way over the side sills.

No doubt there are some B&O modelers who can offer a more detailed critique.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

ogdentowebercanyon wrote:


I am lookin at adding some B&O wagon top boxcars to my roster and I
was looking at the models offered by Overland Models. Any thoughts on
these? Are they fairly accurate in both the single door and double
door version? Are they suitable for a 1947 era layout with the door
styles, number of doors, etc... I know there are resin kits available
also but I suck at building resin kits. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

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Re: HO-Accuracy of Overland B&O Wagontop Boxcar?

proto48er
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ogdentowebercanyon"
<ogdentowebercanyon@...> wrote:

I am lookin at adding some B&O wagon top boxcars to my roster and I
was looking at the models offered by Overland Models. Any thoughts
on
these? Are they fairly accurate in both the single door and double
door version? Are they suitable for a 1947 era layout with the
door
styles, number of doors, etc... I know there are resin kits
available
also but I suck at building resin kits. Thanks.

Jason Sanford

Jason -

I am familiar only with the "O" scale versions of these cars as
imported by Overland.

The M-15k single door car is fairly correct, but needs an
underframe! Ditto for the M-53 (different underframe).

However, the "O" scale version of the double door M-15l is bad - it
has the double doors directly across from each other, at one end of
the car! They should be staggered, so that if you look at one side
of the car, it looks the same as the other side - not with the doors
on the left on one side and on the right on the other! I told this
to Overland when they imported them (bought some), and they said to
PROVE that the doors were staggered and not directly across from each
other. I sent them a copy of the ORER which said "staggered doors"
for the M-15l entry, and they asked me to remove the floor from my M-
15l body and return it to them. I did so, and was totally surprised
about a month later when they sent me a correct body! I probably
have the only correct model! If they imported the HO scale models
later, they may all be correct.

As for 1947, yes - all of those cars were in service at that time, in
substantial numbers. I do not have my train stuff at the office now,
but if you want actual ORER numbers, let me know.

A.T. Kott


Re: Pittsburgh Area RPM meet March 30-31, 2007

lnbill <bwelch@...>
 

To clarify, for my revised presentation on the woodsheathed cars
operated by FGE/WFE/BRE, I have it divided into two parts.

Part One-The Early Cars Inherited from Armour and Owner railroads

Part Two-The Company Designed 1922, 1927, 1942 Cars and Post WWII
Rebuilds

Bill Welch


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Larry Kline <lndkline@...> wrote:

Pittsburgh Area RPM meet
Dates: March 30-31, 2007
Location: Sheraton Four Points Hotel. Route 30 East, Greensburg, PA.
Room rate is $89.00 plus tax. Ph. (724) 836-6060 Mention "Prototype
Modeler's Meet."
More info on the hotel is available at:
http://www.greensburgpa4points.com/

More information on the meet and a registration form are available
at:
http://www.keystonedivision.org/

Speakers:
Paul Backentose - We dig coal
Ralph Barger - Military Vehicles of WWII
Dick Bell - Delaware Valley Traction Company
Ted Culotta – Differences among AAR box cars
Jim Dalberg - Modeling the LV/CNJ - Modeling and prototype slides
Gerard Fitzgerald - Operations on the C&O Olby Branch during WWII
Dick Flock - Designed for Prototye Operations
Tim Frederick - Non-insulated, 20,700 gal, General Purpose tank car
Designs, including a new HO model.
Steve Funaro - Building resin kits
Eric Hansmann – The B&O Fairmont Belt Line
Ron Hoess - Modeling PRR towers
Ben Hom - Modeling B&O Open Hoppers 1919-1963
Dennis Lippert - Modeling Conrail's Geeps
Lance Mindheim - Modeling Track
John Roberts - Modeling Newport News, Va, C&O, 1972
Jim Ruffing - Modeling Great Northern Covered Hoppers
Stan Rydarowicz - Modeling Santa Fe 40 ft steel reefers
Gene Schaeffer - Montour memories
Bill Schaumburg - Pennsylvania slate
Mike Schleigh - The Wellsville Addison & Galeton
Bill Welch - Wood Sheathed 40 ft FGE/WFE/BRE Reefers,
1938-1955 (2 talks)
John Wesner - Issues in Prototype freelancing
Dave Wilson - Scratchbuilding HO scale steam locomotives

Vendors:
Bethlehem Car Works, Bob's Photo, Mike Bradley, Funaro &
Camerlengo,  
Mike Gruber photo, Bill  Hanley, Joe Lofland, Lance Mindheim, 
NMRA Division 2, Pro Custom Hobbies, Rail Yard Models, 
Speedwitch Media, Stan Rydarowicz, Scott Schaller 

We will have a large display area, please bring your models.

Please pardon the cross posting

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA

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HO-Accuracy of Overland B&O Wagontop Boxcar?

ogdentowebercanyon
 

I am lookin at adding some B&O wagon top boxcars to my roster and I
was looking at the models offered by Overland Models. Any thoughts on
these? Are they fairly accurate in both the single door and double
door version? Are they suitable for a 1947 era layout with the door
styles, number of doors, etc... I know there are resin kits available
also but I suck at building resin kits. Thanks.

Jason Sanford


Re: 4th gon in the saga

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

That explains why Mark Vaunghan's decals I have look different than
the F&C decals.
Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Chet French" <cfrench@...> wrote:

John,

My untrained eyes see the Speedwitch large WABASH lettering being
very close to the correct 18" in height, while the F&C set measures
21 inches.

Chet French
Dixon, IL




--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "golden1014" <golden1014@> wrote:

Clark, All,

I checked the Speedwitch Wabash gondola decals vs. the F&C decals
last night. The Speedwitch decals are appox. six inches shorter
in
height than the F&C decals supplied with the gondola kit. I
wouldn'd
discount using the SW set yet, as you should compare the F&C
decals
with a prototype photo.

Anyway, thought you'd like to know. My Westerfield DS car with
the
SW decals turned out quite nice IMHO.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "golden1014" <golden1014@> wrote:

Hey Clark,

I'm halfway through building the same F&C car, although I'm
doing
the ACL version. You're right--it's a nice car and the side/end
castings are pretty nice.

As for decals, I recently used a set of Speedwitch decals to
finish
a Wabash DS box car. Ted offers a Wabash set for the 65' mill
gon
and the large WABASH lettering fits the Westerfield box just
right
and isn't as bulky as the Westerfield set.

I'll do a TLAR (That Looks About Right) check with Ted's set on
the
ACL car and let you know if that set could work for the 'Bash
car.

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL


Re: O.T. lanterns

Dave Lambert <dave@...>
 

Fred,



My sense is that Dennis is correct in his time line on kerosene markers.



I've studied hundreds of PRR passenger train consists, many of which had
notations about the marker lamps they carried (such as "one" or "none".)



By the late 1960s and certainly at the outset of Penn Central on February 1,
1968, the most common notation was "flashing marker"-those highway markers
the railroad was using. This is not to say, however, that I've not seen
indications of kerosene markers in the late '60s; the highway markers were
just much more common.



Regards,



Dave Lambert



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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dennis Storzek
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2007 10:57 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: O.T. lanterns



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Fred
Mullins" <fmullins@...> wrote:

I know this is off topic but could anyone tell me when did the
railroads stop using the kero lanterns? You can reply off-list if you
like.
thanks
Fred Mullins
Fred,

I remember watching a signal maintainer waddle from switch to switch
filling the lamps with oil in 1969 or '70. This was in the Soo Line's
yard at North Fond du Lac, WI. The Soo's wood cabooses also would have
been still using kerosene marker lamps at this time, as they never had
electricity. However, at some point in the sixties or seventies,
reflective paddles were deemed OK for night use as markers.

My best guess is mid to late sixties was the end of kerosene marker lamps.

Dennis


New Intermountain car - Erie Lackawanna Historical Society Exclusive

Schuyler Larrabee
 

STMFC Listers:

Mike Del Vecchio, DL&W maven, posted the following note to the erielack list tonight, writing about
a new Intermountain car developed by Jay Held and his colleagues in the ELHS, working with sides,
ends, roof and underframe already in the IM line, but not in this configuration. I have seen these
myself, and as it says below, I've been meaning to post to this list for some time. They are
advertised in the Society's RMC ad.

A straight freight version suitable for interchange will be coming out later.

[Reposted to STMFC with permission]

SGL
___________________________________________

In a message dated 3/11/2007 11:40:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, schuyler.larrabee@verizon.net
writes:

Hey, Mike, can I grab this excellent post and put it on the STMFC? Or could you do that
without
the intro. And give the link to the elhs website:
http://www.erielackhs.org/EL/ELHOME.html
And to the page for model sales
http://www.erielackhs.org/ELHS/ELHSSTORE.html
As I've been meaning to do for some time now?



----------------------------------

I saw the Erie coaches today at the Clark, N.J., show, and also the new DL&W express
boxcars. Both look nice; I bought the latter, available in three numbers.

The DL&W express box car is correct -- for the first time we have the correct
combination of ends, sides, doors and roof from Intermountain for this series of 10' IH DL&W
boxcar, and correctly lettered for express box service in passenger trains.
The cars come ready-to-run, and they are pretty faithful. The lettering is
crisp and sharp and white (not all factory lettering from model makers is
opaque, and this is correctly so), the ladders and handbrake wheel and rods are
separate pieces. This car can be taken out of the box and put on a passenger
train without touching anything.

Some tips for those wanting more detail: The ELHS cars come with
freight car trucks, so swap 'em for a set of Chrysler trucks (Kato,
perhaps?). Add steam lines.

Really nit picky: The end grabs should line up with those on the side on all
modern steel boxcars, and the car I bought has one end grab not quite lined
up (might be individual to this car). The lower corners of the car near the stirrup -- while the car
does not
have poling pockets, the carbody extends low enough as if poling pockets were
there. Those who care can file those corners back to give that open space
obvious on the prototype. The end numbers are near the center of the end,
instead of closer to the side -- that may just be my car. And I would weather
these for a lighter tone -- these express boxes weren't painted the same color
brown as the Phoebe Snow freight boxcars, they were lighter. A little
weathering should give it the right look in a train.

Extra credit: Of the three offered numbers, one is the 10013. Bill
Caloroso sells a photo of the 10013 in Hoboken riding on a set of Allied full cushion
trucks -- since the trucks need to be swapped anyway, might as well make 'em
Allieds.

Overall these cars are great -- nice job from Jay Held to at last get
Intermountain to put this combination of components together. Jay promises a freight
train version in the future. But impatient modelers could simply renumber
these into the 53000-53259-series, put a Phoebe billboard on it, and voila -- they
have the right trucks for freight trains. And the steel wheels on this model
look great.

These express cars with Chrysler trucks and steam lines are also correct for
DL&W's two famous steel milk cars, 1798 and 1799 -- just make reefer units
out of styrene and scribe some square doors on the sides, add the little roof
details, paint 'em silver, letter 'em in black, and you have those.

This is a much-needed car on the DL&W, selling to members for $23.95-ish ($29.95 non-members) at the
ELHS
table. No charge for Jay's proud smile.

Mike Del Vecchio


Re: pulpwood cars

Tim O'Connor
 

There's that well known builder photo of MP 1847 from the 1949
Car Builder's... It's not quite a match for the Athearn model but
other than this builder photo, I've never seen a shot of another.
I've never found a good shot of a T&NO GSC pulpwood flat either,
but I have many shots of them after being repainted SP. I guess
nobody in East Texas piney woods was taking photos of freight cars
in the 1950's... including my Dad, who ought to have, as we were
there often enough visiting our relatives.

Tim O'

One further question: is the old Athearn car close?
It matches a MoPac diagram sheet I have, but I have never been able to find
any photographic evidence of this car. This was Missouri Pacific series
1500-1649, built in Desoto, Mo during 1941.

I seem to remember seeing a picture at Lee's once but don't remember what
the source.
If anyone knows of a photo or photo source for these MoPac cars, I sure
would like know of them.

Gene S.


Re: pulpwood cars

Gene Semon
 

One further question: is the old Athearn car close?
It matches a MoPac diagram sheet I have, but I have never been able to find
any photographic evidence of this car. This was Missouri Pacific series
1500-1649, built in Desoto, Mo during 1941.

I seem to remember seeing a picture at Lee's once but don't remember what
the source.
If anyone knows of a photo or photo source for these MoPac cars, I sure
would like know of them.

Gene S.

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Sunshine kit listing redux

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

As soon as I added the Excel version of my list, I was informed that there
was an error in my list. Kit #78.4 should be Illinois Terminal, not Illinois
Central. I've fixed it and updated my files in the Files area.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon


Re: Sunshine kit listing

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

So many people (more than 6) have asked for the Excel version of my Sunshine
all-time list that I've loaded it to the STMFC files area. Now you can
choose the version you want.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon


Re: Sunshine kit listing

jerryglow2
 

Whatever it takes to get a new list <g> Seriously, Jim I appreciate
it as I'm sure many others like me who often loose touch with what's
new.

Jerry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jim & Lisa Hayes"
<jimandlisa97225@...> wrote:

OK Jerry, you've shamed me into getting off my fundament and
updating the
all-time list in the files section.



It's a PDF file. If anyone wants an Excel version contact me
directly at
jimandlisa97225 at Verizon dot com.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon


C&EI 1912 Gondola

Paul Hillman
 

In the May 1959 issue of MR there is an article about building a C&EI
41'-6" gondola. This car was shown built on a recent P:48 group.

The article states that the cars were built in 1912 & 1913 by
American Car and Foundry, as composite types, steel & wood. In 1959
the C&EI still had 300 in use.

It states that in 1927 the wood in the sides was replaced with steel
and in 1955-56 the cars had wood floors installed.

Also it says that the cars had both/either braced flat steel ends or
dreadnaught.

These dates are not really clear about the facts.

Questions:
1-Is there a kit similar to these cars?
2-Did none of the cars have wood sides/ends after 1927?
3-Did the cars have only steel floors before 1955?
4-Were dreadnaught ends added when converted to steel sides?

I would like to build this car with wood sides and ends & with braced
steel ends. But did that type construction exist in 1947?

Thanks, Paul Hillman


Re: Sunshine kit listing

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

OK Jerry, you've shamed me into getting off my fundament and updating the
all-time list in the files section.



It's a PDF file. If anyone wants an Excel version contact me directly at
jimandlisa97225 at Verizon dot com.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon



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Subject: [STMFC] Sunshine kit listing



After the discussion re the MP pulpwood kit, I realize my "alltime"
list is a year old and only goes to 73.x Is there a more current one?
Also, was there an announcement sheet on the MP car (76.5) and if so
can someone scan it to send or post?

TIA
Jerry


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Re: Painting of GN DS boxcars

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

Thanks Bill, that's what I thought.

KL

----- Original Message -----
From: bill_d_goat
Were any of the Great Northern double sheathed 40-ft boxcars (45000 -
52999) painted in the "tilted roadname" scheme, or whatever it was called?

Subject to correction, AFAIK those wood cars were never painted in the slant lettering. Some, post WWII, got the new herald with the word "Railway" but it was the later post war steel cars that got the slanted lettering, including the so-called "Circus Train" cars in several bright colors.
Bill Williams
----- Original Message -----


Sunshine kit listing

jerryglow2
 

After the discussion re the MP pulpwood kit, I realize my "alltime"
list is a year old and only goes to 73.x Is there a more current one?
Also, was there an announcement sheet on the MP car (76.5) and if so
can someone scan it to send or post?

TIA
Jerry


Re: pulpwood cars

jerryglow2
 

Thanks for the info - that makes them particularily desireable as I
have 3 or 4 of the old US Hobbies pulpwood cars and was looking for
some variety.
One further question: is the old Athearn car close? I seem to remember
seeing a picture at Lee's once but don't remember what the source.

Jerry

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Mar 10, 2007, at 10:15 PM, jerryglow2 wrote:

think I mentioned that type car here once. Any idea if the backside
of the ends are contoured or are they flat? Even loaded, this
shows up
in the prototype.
Jerry,
In the model photo in Martin's flyer, the corrugations of the Murphy
ends are visible on both sides.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Re: Painting of GN DS boxcars

bill_d_goat
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Kurt Laughlin" <fleeta@...> wrote:

Hi:

Were any of the Great Northern double sheathed 40-ft boxcars (45000 -
52999) painted in the "tilted roadname" scheme, or whatever it was
called?

Thanks,
KL

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Kurt
Subject to correction, AFAIK those wood cars were never painted in the
slant lettering. Some, post WWII, got the new herald with the
word "Railway" but it was the later post war steel cars that got the
slanted lettering, including the so-called "Circus Train" cars in
several bright colors.
Bill Williams

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