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Re: SPAM posts

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Garth,

Go to the Yahoogroups page (http://www.yahoogroups.com) and sign in. Click
on the link for "Account info". Under Member Information, hit edit and set
your account to "do not send me any offers". That should fix the problem.

Happy SPAM free Rails
Bruce

Dear friends:

Since this group opened for business, I have noticed a great increase in
SPAM posts in my e-mail. Many, though not all, come from the domain
"yahoo.com".
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SPAM posts

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dear friends:

Since this group opened for business, I have noticed a great increase in
SPAM posts in my e-mail. Many, though not all, come from the domain
"yahoo.com". I believe this is the price we pay for a "free" group,
especially since Yahoo took over Onelist. However, I am thoroughly sick
of "make a million dollars" schemes, ads for ANIMAL HOUSE clone videos,
and solicitations for laser toner cartridges from Georgia (reputed to be
a scam).

If this is a worthy topic to discuss here (it is related to the
administration of our group), I would like to have other members
thoughts on this. I am contemplating a filter which would block the
"yahoo.com" domain, though I wonder if it would also affect the domain
"yahoogroups.com" which our group operates. Any thoughts on this?

I might add that a filter is only a partial solution to SPAM. Most SPAM
posters frequently change their addresses and their subject lines to
sneak around any filters receivers may create. They also use false
addresses, which make direct requests to be removed impossible.

Thanks in advance for the suggestions, but since my e-mail is provided
by my employer on a state-owned machine, I am not allowed to mount any
unauthorized blocking software.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff


Re: Moody's Industrial Manual

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Dear friends,

A manual like this is a great tool for quick reference, but they aren't
cheap, and only one person is going to get this one.

Our library has a pretty fair run of Poor's and Moody's manuals dating
back to the late 19th century. If anyone on this group needs a look-up,
please contact me off line and I will see what can be found. After all,
that's what library's are for.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Dave & Libby Nelson wrote:


Came across the wire. The date is a late for my interests -- these usually
sell for $65....

1. Moody's Industrial Manual American and Foreign 1958 by Moody, John New
Haven, CN, Moody's Investor Service: 1958 Not Stated Hardback, 4to, 2963 pp.
The spine on this book is very weak. Shipping is at cost due to weight of
book. Boards edge worn. Boards bumped. Boards scuffed. Boards faded. Spine
stained. Spine ends bumped. Spine creased. Good Book/No Dust Jacket.
(Keywords: BUSINESS & INDUSTRY)
The price of the book is US$ 45.00 See all our books at
http://www.dustybookworm.com
Please reference the seller's book # 4322 when ordering.

2. Moody's Industrial Manual, American and Foreign; 1954

8. Moody's Industrial Manual, June 1965, American and Foreign
9. Moody's Industrial Manual, 1962, American and Foreign

-----------------------------------
Dave Nelson


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Re: SPAM posts

BillD53A@...
 

Speaking of spam on yahoo I just got some porno email that came from an
address on yahoo. It got deleted along with anything else from anyone I dont
know.


Moody's Industrial Manual

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Came across the wire. The date is a late for my interests -- these usually
sell for $65....

1. Moody's Industrial Manual American and Foreign 1958 by Moody, John New
Haven, CN, Moody's Investor Service: 1958 Not Stated Hardback, 4to, 2963 pp.
The spine on this book is very weak. Shipping is at cost due to weight of
book. Boards edge worn. Boards bumped. Boards scuffed. Boards faded. Spine
stained. Spine ends bumped. Spine creased. Good Book/No Dust Jacket.
(Keywords: BUSINESS & INDUSTRY)
The price of the book is US$ 45.00 See all our books at
http://www.dustybookworm.com
Please reference the seller's book # 4322 when ordering.

2. Moody's Industrial Manual, American and Foreign; 1954

8. Moody's Industrial Manual, June 1965, American and Foreign
9. Moody's Industrial Manual, 1962, American and Foreign

-----------------------------------
Dave Nelson


Milwaukee Ribbed Side Boxcars

Steve and Barb Hile
 

I am currently working on my Sunshine kit. Is anyone aware of any published
plans that might show the routing of the trainline? Martin did not include
it, but it upsets my sensibilities to have the other brake detail and not
have it "connected" to anything. I have looked at the on-line index and
Mainline drawings in 92 and 88 had no under frame view at all. MR drawings
from 89 do not match Martin's instructions as to location of the Reservoir,
so I would take the piping with a grain of salt.

Thanks for the help!
Steve Hile


Re: GTW lettering

Stafford F. Swain <sswain@...>
 

Hi:

I think these dates would have been virtually simultaneous. The CNR tilted monogram (not herald) stencil layout drawing was issued July 19, 1954.

I'll ask our GTW gurus (Jim Gilmore and Bob Smith) to comment on this.

I have information that in '53, the GTW made their herald level and added
the maple leaf, which would be a year before the CN made their maple leaf
herald level. Do I have the right dates here?
Also, does the wet noodle GT scheme date from '61 as does the CN? Is that
when they started painting their cars blue? When was the "Good Track" logo
introduced? Inquiring modelers want to know. - John



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Re: Greenville gons

Al & Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Thanks, Tim, John and Charlie. Neither car will fit my loads. If they were
the proper width they would. Grumble, grumble....
- Al Westerfield
Westerfield


Re: Ratios of Home Road vs. Foreign Roads

Dave & Libby Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Tom,

You still have these? It is exactly the type of data I already transcribe
to ascii for further analysis. I'd be very keen on getting one (actually,
I've already got a B&O jumbo from Wheeling WV, but something outside the
coal belt would be another very interesting view).

Dave Nelson

-----Original Message-----
From: T. C. Madden [mailto:tgmadden@worldnet.att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 7:28 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] RE: Re: Ratios of Home Road vs. Foreign Roads


Most of you know that I'm totally involved with the compilation of Pullman
data, almost to the exclusion of all else. But I do have a set of three
freight logs that I'll never have time to analyze, so I'm willing to pass
them on to someone on this list who's interested enough to actually _do_
something with them.

They are: three Santa Fe "Record of Freight Trains and Cars Through
Terminals" ledgers, completely filled out, from 1951, 1952 and 1953. The
covers are scorched, so someone obviously rescued them from a
fire. Richard
and I sat here in my studio one night and made a bit of sense of them, and
they seemed to cover transfer runs in the Joplin, MO area between
the Santa
Fe and the KCS, if I recall correctly. Listed are train number, date,
conductor's name, and for every car, the car number, owning road, lading,
origin, and destination. Everything is handwritten, so it will take some
effort to decipher it all, but it can be done.

I don't want anything for them except the promise that the
recipient will do
his best to extract the data from them. Please contact me
off-list if you're
seriously interested.

Tom Madden

tgmadden@worldnet.att.net




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GTW lettering

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

I have information that in '53, the GTW made their herald level and added
the maple leaf, which would be a year before the CN made their maple leaf
herald level. Do I have the right dates here?
Also, does the wet noodle GT scheme date from '61 as does the CN? Is that
when they started painting their cars blue? When was the "Good Track" logo
introduced? Inquiring modelers want to know. - John


Re: Greenville gons

charles slater
 

Al the Proto 2000 measures about 9'2"




From: "Al & Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@multipro.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Greenville gons
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:11:36 -0600

OK, so now I'm getting familiar with the gons. Turns out both Erie and
Nickel Plate used them for containers. Unfortunately, the Sunshine version
is much too narrow (8'10" vs 9'6" for the prototype). Can anyone measure up
the width of a Life Like? I don't have one. Thanks.
Westerfield
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Re: Greenville gons

charles slater
 

Al the Proto 2000 measures about 9'2"
Charlie Slater


From: "Al & Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@multipro.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Greenville gons
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:11:36 -0600

OK, so now I'm getting familiar with the gons. Turns out both Erie and
Nickel Plate used them for containers. Unfortunately, the Sunshine version
is much too narrow (8'10" vs 9'6" for the prototype). Can anyone measure up
the width of a Life Like? I don't have one. Thanks.
Westerfield
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Re: Greenville gons

charles slater
 

Al the Proto 2000 measures about 9'2"


From: "Al & Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@multipro.com>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [STMFC] Greenville gons
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 23:11:36 -0600

OK, so now I'm getting familiar with the gons. Turns out both Erie and
Nickel Plate used them for containers. Unfortunately, the Sunshine version
is much too narrow (8'10" vs 9'6" for the prototype). Can anyone measure up
the width of a Life Like? I don't have one. Thanks.
Westerfield
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Tom's 1938 Register

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

Some or all of you may be familiar with the above
mentioned book title. It's been reviewed by Bill
Jewett in the Operations-Industry SIG newsletter,
the "Dispatchers Office". Well, I received my copy
in the mail Monday night and I'm impressed as all
get-out. As far as I'm concerned everyone on this
list should have one.

The book lists the businesses and industries all
across the United States that were around in 1938.
I wouldn't say it's *all* of them, but by golly
there's quite enough. The book gives the name of a
company, where it was located, what it produced,
and what railroad(s) it was served by.

That's just for starters. There are also maps of
regions where certain crops and commodities were
concentrated, as well as the time of year when
crops were harvested in that area. Plus a large
bibliography and other good bits of information.

The web site for this book is located at:

http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.tgloger/t38r.htm

I invite you to go check it out. I have my copy
here at work if you have any questions. No, I don't
have any vested interests, but I'll tell you-this is
the book I would have written had I the time and the
resources. My interests lean more towards 1944-1960,
but the information in here still has validity. All
those companies didn't disappear right at 1939!

Shawn Beckert


Re: A Teichmoeller moment

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Terd,

I've CC:ed this back to the group as someone else may find the data
interesting...I think John indicated that the H31a was, as you suggested
earlier, a "test" car. Then, they made some changes and produced the H31b.
I noticed some interesting roster info on the page you suggested regarding
the conversion of the composite H31b to the all steel H31c:

H31b H31c
492 5 April '52
266 225 Oct '53
12 482 Oct '58
12 475 Oct '63
3 276 April '68

Sooo, the 1966 photo in PP3 is most likely a scrap line, although the
reporting marks don't appear to be "whitelined" in the photo. The amazing
thing is that 3 composite hoppers are still listed in 1968!!! Based on
this data, I'd say Mike Brock needs one of each class <G> for his Sherman
Hill layout ;^)

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce:

Here's a link to the info. There were slight differences as you
indicated, although I don't know why (they're not so great as to indicate
completely different types of cars). Any ideas?

<http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=H31
TARGET="_blank">http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=H31

Ted

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Re: A Teichmoeller moment

Ted Culotta <ted@...>
 

Not a significant difference, but actually there were 501. H-31A, #249990
(220842-221341 were classed H-31B) was built in early 1942 (probably a
proof-of-concept, like gon #343432 and box car #119991). At any rate, it
doesn't change the significance of the photo!

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. [mailto:smithbf@mail.auburn.edu]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:26 AM
To: prr-talk@dsop.com
Subject: [STMFC] A Teichmoeller moment


I had a John Teichmoeller moment the other day. Ever since getting his
book on PRR steel hoppers, I've been ignoring the foreground of published
photos (especially those diesels) and looking at car types...

On page 317 of Pennsy Power III, there is a photo from 1966 of Altoon PA,
with no less than 4 PRR H31c war emergency twin hoppers! Now since only
500 H31 were originally built and many had been scrapped by then, the
likelihood of randomly catching 4 together has to be pretty slim! Several
conclusions are possible, but the one I keep coming back to is that these
cars may be headed for class repairs (unlikely) or scrap... Why else would
there be 4 congregated at the same location?

Happy Rails
Bruce

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A Teichmoeller moment

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

I had a John Teichmoeller moment the other day. Ever since getting his
book on PRR steel hoppers, I've been ignoring the foreground of published
photos (especially those diesels) and looking at car types...

On page 317 of Pennsy Power III, there is a photo from 1966 of Altoon PA,
with no less than 4 PRR H31c war emergency twin hoppers! Now since only
500 H31 were originally built and many had been scrapped by then, the
likelihood of randomly catching 4 together has to be pretty slim! Several
conclusions are possible, but the one I keep coming back to is that these
cars may be headed for class repairs (unlikely) or scrap... Why else would
there be 4 congregated at the same location?

Happy Rails
Bruce

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D.
Scott-Ritchey Research Center
334-844-5587, 334-844-5850 (fax)
http://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

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NH lettering

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Train Miniature had a NH wood box car (forty feet instead of 36 feet) with a
slogan like
"New England's Vacationland" on the door. The car was in the pre-'41
pre-script scheme. I would guess they got this part right, but does anyone
know when it was used, and was it widespread or just on a few cars? - John


Re: Greenville gons

John Nehrich <nehrij@...>
 

Al - On the Life-like model, 1.24 inches, measured with a caliper. 1.22 if
you take the tie down lugs into account. - John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim O'Connor" <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Greenville gons



Al, my Sunshine measures about 8'8" vs 9'2" for the P2K model. Margin of
error
+/- 2" due to measuring with a ruler.

At 11:11 PM 2/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
OK, so now I'm getting familiar with the gons. Turns out both Erie and
Nickel Plate used them for containers. Unfortunately, the Sunshine
version
is much too narrow (8'10" vs 9'6" for the prototype). Can anyone measure
up
the width of a Life Like? I don't have one. Thanks.
Westerfield

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts



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Re: Greenville gons

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Al, my Sunshine measures about 8'8" vs 9'2" for the P2K model. Margin of error
+/- 2" due to measuring with a ruler.

At 11:11 PM 2/7/01 -0600, you wrote:
OK, so now I'm getting familiar with the gons. Turns out both Erie and
Nickel Plate used them for containers. Unfortunately, the Sunshine version
is much too narrow (8'10" vs 9'6" for the prototype). Can anyone measure up
the width of a Life Like? I don't have one. Thanks.
Westerfield

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@mediaone.net>
Marlborough, Massachusetts

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