Over on the reefer madness list there is a discussion on the normal position
of reefer hatches. I was under the impression that reefer ice hatches were
normally closed whether the car was loaded or empty unless it was specifically
carrying a load that needed ventilation only, when the hatches were opened. I
thought I read this on this list, but might be mistaken. Can anyone confirm
the typical or normal practice?

Thanks,

Jerry Michels



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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:
So perhaps it's a good

day to remind the members that they must sign their full name...

Aye Captain!
Dr. Jared Vincent Harper

Ed, I guess I should have looked BEFORE responding to the this tread. In the upper right hand corner it clearly states "Complied by Ed Hawkins"

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

Based on recent invoices and sales sheets, Micro Engineering has yet to embrace the Internet as a sales tool; no web site and no e-mail address listed.
Frank Brua

I bought the Trainman, "Eastern 4 Window Center Cupola Caboose", used
by the C&O, PM, C&EI etc., Item #945 (undec.)

It appears that the main model body is a pretty accurate rendition of
the prototype, as per Fritz Milhaupt of the Pere Marquette H.S., and
Bob Lehnen of the C&EI H.S., as versus the upcoming Athearn version of
the same caboose.

Two faults of the Athearn car, as I see them, are:

1-) The cupola roof-radius/contour is too high.
2-) The car, side-windows are postioned too high, right under the roof-
line rather than about 12" below the foor-line.


The Trainman caboose has, to me, for detail purposes, the following
repairable "faults":

1-) The car-end and cupola-roof, grab-irons, are molded onto the car.
These can be removed and replaced with 3-D grabs, but it's a touchy
demo-job because of the fine rivet-detail on the car-ends.
2-) The underbody brake components could/should be replaced and brake-
rigging-lines added.
3-) The trucks could be replaced, or reworked, by cutting out for the
void above the leaf-springs and changing the wheels, (the axles are too
large a dia.)
4-) The end-doors have no window openings. It is yet for me to
determine whether these doors were full, closed-panel doors without
windows or not, as per each prototype.
5-) The roof-walk is a molded-on saftey-tread type which would have to
be removed and replaced with a 3-D type.

I intend to model this caboose as a C&EI type. The brake-wheel was
vertical on the C&EI #5, and this would have to be reworked from what's
on the Trainman Car. Also, yet to be determined is whether the C&EI
caboose had a wood or steel/safety-tread roof-walk.

Over-all the car proportions seem to be a good starting-point, as
apparently no other caboose is available which is closer than the
Trainman's. The rivet detail and steel details are very fine and nicely
done. The car-side, curved grabs are applied separately. Would have
been great if they had done this with all of the grabs.

Paul Hillman

Sorry, I should have been more clear. The car in question is indeed a
BX 57, and there is no map, but instead the "Ship and Travel Santa Fe"
slogan. And I was surprised to see this descrepancy on a Kadee model,
considering their reputation for accuracy.

It looks like the reputation is still intact!!

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

PS painted the Bx-57 series backwards from Santa Fe specs -- they
put slogans on the right side and Ship&Travel on the left. Whenever
the cars were repainted before 1960, this was reversed! (After 1960
the style changed.)

But if you're talking about "map" cars I suppose that must be the
Bx-52 built in 1947. Those should have slogans on the left side as
far as I know.

Kadee is darn careful about stuff, and they only work from photos.
They may have found an oddball car -- they did a "one-of" C&NW car
so why not?

Tim O'Connor

Steve Kay wrote:

I read in MR a few issues back a question about which side of the car
the ATSF put the map and which side it put the slogan. According to
MR (and confirmed in the Champ decal catalog), when you face the side
of the car with the slogan, the brake wheel is on the right.

I checked my cars, and they followed that rule, EXCEPT for one, an
Kadee PS-1 40' El Capitan box, which was reversed.

Do all ATSF map cars follow that rule, or was Kadee correct?

Since Kadee likely got the info from Richard Hendrickson,

you can

be confident it is correct (unless, of course, the factory messed it
up). Richard is in Hawaii at the moment but will surely answer this
when he returns.

Tony Thompson

Is there a web-site for Micro Engineering?

In a Google, etc. search, I was only able to really find a WigWag.com
company which appears to be only selling their parts.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

Ed Hawkins:

I have uploaded a pdf that contains modified instructions for
building the ART kits. There were problems with the original
instructions in the first batch of kits as I understand

< InterMountain provided instructions for the PFE R-40-23. More

proper instructions are from the PFE R-40-10
kit, and I have made editorial changes to reflect various parts or
assemblies that are deviations for the ART models. There are also
two views of ART 24000 for reference. These instructions can be
downloaded by going to the RP CYC web site at the following link.

http://www.geocities.com/rpcyc/ART_Instructions.pdf

The link is unavailable right now because the data transfer limit
(presumably for today) has been reached. Fear not, because the
replacement part sprues that arrived yesterday included a set of R-
40-10 instructions, edited as Ed mentions. I assume they are the
same as the ones on the RP CYC web site.

Tom Madden

Thanks for the info Tony,

I'll keep checking the Signature Press web page!

We've now listed the pub date as April, 2007, since we expect delivery in mid-April.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

On Mar 18, 2007, at 12:43 PM, Barry Roth wrote:

Then, do the Amarillo/MPHS ART reefer kits now being sold need
replacement parts, or are the ones I would receive now complete and in
good shape? How about the built-up version? Thanks ...

Barry Roth

Barry,
The replacement parts apply only to ART kits. There are different
replacement parts involved depending on which kits you purchased. Those
buying from the first batch of kits (sold at a discount and having
incorrectly painted yellow side sills) are receiving two new identical
parts trees that replace the original that parts were molded out of
alignment. One parts tree is painted freight car red and the other is
painted yellow. InterMountain decided to provide one parts tree of each
color rather than trying to mask off the placards that are the only
parts that need to be yellow on this tree. Also you will note that
these replacement parts don't have the heavy coat of paint that the
original parts had. You will not have to use all the parts on both
parts trees, so those parts that are left can be used elsewhere. The
extra Universal XL hand brake should easily be put to good use.

For those who received kits from the second batch with correctly
painted side sills (all black except the small corner notches that
protrude into the sides), you will also receive a parts tree containing
the correct set of side ladders. The original kits had the wrong
ladders, which had six male pins on the back. The correct side ladders
have only four male pins (two at top and two at bottom).

I have uploaded a pdf that contains modified instructions for building
the ART kits. There were problems with the original instructions in the
first batch of kits as I understand InterMountain provided instructions
for the PFE R-40-23. More proper instructions are from the PFE R-40-10
kit, and I have made editorial changes to reflect various parts or
assemblies that are deviations for the ART models. There are also two
views of ART 24000 for reference. These instructions can be downloaded
by going to the RP CYC web site at the following link. For unknown
reasons, the Amarillo RR Museum has not able to update their site to
include these instructions, so I'm providing the link for expediency.

http://www.geocities.com/rpcyc/ART_Instructions.pdf

InterMountain is mailing out replacement parts at the rate of about 10
customers per day. It will take them two or three weeks to go through
the entire customer list, so please be patient if you haven't received
replacement parts yet. Please contact me OFF LIST if you have
questions.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
ART Project Technical Advisor for the MPHS

Then, do the Amarillo/MPHS ART reefer kits now being sold need replacement parts, or are the ones I would receive now complete and in good shape? How about the built-up version? Thanks ...

Barry Roth

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@verizon.net> wrote:
Yesterday I received a package from Intermountain containing replacement
parts for the Amarillo / MPHS ART reefer kit. Jerry, I want to thank you and
everyone else involved for working with and nagging Intermountain to do it
right. Now I need to search thru the archives to remember which parts on the
two sprues I received are the ones to use.

Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon


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Thanks for the info Tony,

I'll keep checking the Signature Press web page!

Peter J. McClosky

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Anthony Thompson wrote:

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Peter J. McClosky
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PS painted the Bx-57 series backwards from Santa Fe specs -- they
put slogans on the right side and Ship&Travel on the left. Whenever
the cars were repainted before 1960, this was reversed! (After 1960
the style changed.)

But if you're talking about "map" cars I suppose that must be the
Bx-52 built in 1947. Those should have slogans on the left side as
far as I know.

Kadee is darn careful about stuff, and they only work from photos.
They may have found an oddball car -- they did a "one-of" C&NW car
so why not?

Tim O'Connor

Steve Kay wrote:

I read in MR a few issues back a question about which side of the car
the ATSF put the map and which side it put the slogan. According to
MR (and confirmed in the Champ decal catalog), when you face the side
of the car with the slogan, the brake wheel is on the right.

I checked my cars, and they followed that rule, EXCEPT for one, an
Kadee PS-1 40' El Capitan box, which was reversed.

Do all ATSF map cars follow that rule, or was Kadee correct?

Since Kadee likely got the info from Richard Hendrickson, you can be confident it is correct (unless, of course, the factory messed it up). Richard is in Hawaii at the moment but will surely answer this when he returns.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history

This list - the STMFC. But the issue is you have to be
registered with
Yahoo in order to access files and photos on the STMFC web site. Tom
was subscribed directly by Mike Brock and likely isn't
registered with
Yahoo. Some people have reported problems trying to register, others
refuse to register, citing privacy or potential spam issues. I'm
registered and certainly haven't noticed much spam, although as owner
of another Yahoo list I get 3 or 4 forwarded messages a day
from Yahoo,
marked as spam and sent to the list owner.

Tom Madden

When I registered with Yahoo, which was substantially after I joined this list, I found that if one
clicks around long enough on Yahoo, you can find a place to tell them you don't want any, ANY AT
ALL, advertisements of any kind. And I don't get any separate messages not attached to list mail.
I think that you have to go back in if you join another list and do this again, because some list
messages I get say at the end something to the effect of :"Commercial messages have been removed
from this post." or something somewhat like that. On others, I get a long string of blue letters
which are links to HTML, because I get the list in plain text.

In any event, I'm quite capable of using my delete key, just as I toss out junk delivered by the
USPS.

SGL

Phil,

If you are looking for this car, you may try Mitchell's trinashop in Wilmington Delaware. They are listed in Model Railroader so you could give them a call. I was in there a while back and they had one on the shelf.

There were milk train articles written by Bob Mohowski in RMC several years ago which had photographs of this car, but I am not sure of the issue number and date.

Regards,
Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu

If memory serves me right one class of Santa Fe PS-1 were reversed. There were also some paint shop bo bo's.

up4024 <thekays100@earthlink.net> wrote: I read in MR a few issues back a question about which side of the car
the ATSF put the map and which side it put the slogan. According to
MR (and confirmed in the Champ decal catalog), when you face the side
of the car with the slogan, the brake wheel is on the right.

I checked my cars, and they followed that rule, EXCEPT for one, an
Kadee PS-1 40' El Capitan box, which was reversed.

Do all ATSF map cars follow that rule, or was Kadee correct?

Steve Kay






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I read in MR a few issues back a question about which side of the car
the ATSF put the map and which side it put the slogan. According to
MR (and confirmed in the Champ decal catalog), when you face the side
of the car with the slogan, the brake wheel is on the right.

I checked my cars, and they followed that rule, EXCEPT for one, an
Kadee PS-1 40' El Capitan box, which was reversed.

Do all ATSF map cars follow that rule, or was Kadee correct?

Steve Kay

Sorry Guys,
I meant to email Jim Hayes directly and managed to do so through the STMFC. I joined this list by having Mike add me directly due to Yahoo wanting too much information, plus the fact that that I did not want to burden the mailbox at the University of Delaware (My ISP) with a large amount of non-specific email. My apologies for the wasted bandwith.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu

Steve,
To determine the left from the right side of a piece of rolling stock,
stand facing the "B" end (brake) and everything on your left is, yep, the left
side and to the right............. There is also a method of counting and
lettering the wheel sets.
Chuck Hladik
Rutland Railroad
Virginia Division



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