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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

David Powell <daveydiesel@...>
 

Dont forget New Orleans. LA. Dave Powell

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Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:24 PM
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Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches



Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
Philadelphia.

Tony Thompson Editor
Boston and New York, too.

SGL


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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
Philadelphia.

Tony Thompson Editor
Boston and New York, too.

SGL


Re: Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
Tony, what do you mean by "confiscated"?
That's the term in freight service for grabbing someone's empty for your own use (of course with free-running cars, that's okay). The eastern railroads, often without much supply of reefers in good condition, loved to confiscate SFRD and PFE cars. Conversely, at the peak of harvest season when PFE was using eastern cars like MDT, western shippers complained bitterly about the shabby condition of the eastern empties. There's a story about this in the PFE book.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Reefer Hatches

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson

PFE and SFRD had many active agents in eastern cities, but their job was to make sure empties were promptly moved westward (and not confiscated), not to check on open ice hatches or to clean cars. ----- Original Message -----

Tony, what do you mean by "confiscated"?

KL


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

armprem
 

Now how could I have missed that?Sorry 'bout that.Armand Premo

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches


> Armand Premo wrote:
>> And New Orleans?
>
> Armand, read the original post: the poster asked if all bananas
> came in through Gulf Coast ports. Last time I checked, New Orleans
> qualified as one of those.
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Re: C&EI "Magor" copies

Paul Hillman
 

Jerry Michels,

Thanks for your info. I went to the MPHS and ordered their MP Caboose
book. Not cheap!,...but 400 pages of apparently deep-data.

It says it covers the MoPac & C&EI, and their other RR's in great
detail on the "Magor" type cabooses, and extensively all their RR's
other types.

Perhaps it will also reveal some info on another C&EI caboose that
I've been searching for,....a 4 window (per-side), wood, center-
coupola, truss-rod type. This type caboose seems to appear on pages
13 & 38, in Edward DeRouin's book, "C&EI RR In Color", but the CEIHS
has yet been unable to identify it. I used to see this type caboose
on the C&EI Clearing-freights in Chicago, in the early 1960's.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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In STMFC@..., asychis@... wrote:

My information indicates that the C&EI "Magor-type" cabooses were
built in 1947 by ACF. They were numbered 1-6 and all retired by mid-
1977. They were assigned MoPac numbers 13952-13958, but it is
doubtful these numbers were ever applied.

The book "Cabooses of the Missouri Pacific Lines" (available from the
Missouri Pacific Historical Society) covers the C&EI Magor copies and
MoPac Magor and Magor copies in depth.

Jerry Michels


Re: U of Cal library

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Dave wrote:
OTOH if you go to Berkeley and visit the Bancroft Library, be sure to
check out the contents of the Roy Graves collection. Almost 5000 rail
oriented photos,
most of which are from central California, and at least some have to
include
freight cars.
I haven't checked out any of the Graves photos except his Yosemite Valley
Railroad photos. There are 58 Graves photos of the YV of which about half
are locomotive photos. About a quarter are from the two fan trip excursions
in 1944 and 1945. The rest are stations, cabooses (2 shots) and one of a M
of W crane. There are also copies of some "historic" photos that show up in
a number of collections. There aren't any freight car photos in his YV
stuff. This is typical for collections of that period since a significant
portion of the rail photography hobby was trading negatives of locomotives.
There were exceptions for west coast railfans such as Paul Darrell (who was
considered "odd" <g>) since he liked freight cars. And, of course, W.C.
Whittaker was taking freight car photos. But, at least based on his YV
photos, Graves wasn't taking many freight car photos. Maybe Graves shot more
freight cars for the large carriers such as the SP and WP but most of this
collection, as I recall, was California short lines....

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
And New Orleans?
Armand, read the original post: the poster asked if all bananas came in through Gulf Coast ports. Last time I checked, New Orleans qualified as one of those.

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2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

armprem
 

And New Orleans? Armand Premo

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches


> Bill Williams wrote:
>> Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
>> Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
>> through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
>
> Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
> Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
> Philadelphia.
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Re: Reefer Hatches

Charlie Vlk
 

Russ-
I knew "Wood Street Yard"..... Not Robey.... but had a brain fart.
Thanks,
Charlie Vlk

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From: Russ Strodtz
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Hatches


Charlie,

Right, I've been there. The sellers started early
and the usual desired spot time at Wood Street, Morgan
Street and Racine was 0500.

Robey Street was a B&OCT engine facility, not the name
of any yard. CB&Q had an interlocking there but spelled
it "Roby Street".

Russ Strodtz
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlie Vlk
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March, 2007 11:51
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Hatches

There is a C&NW film that shows the interior of the Potato Yard
Office at Robey Street... there was a chalkboard
with the spots for each track painted on it and the car number
and load were chalked on it by the Yardmaster or
the guy in charge of the Terminal. I am sure that this gave the
switch crews the information they needed to remove
empties and which cars had to stay on spot or be moved at the
direction of the Terminal Manager.
The alleys in between the tracks were paved for the teams/trucks
of the buyers to directly offload the cars as was
described in a previous post; I imagine that the switching took
place after market hours in order to avoid all the
civilians and their vehicles.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Barry Roth
 

The "banana dock" was a fixture on the southern San Francisco waterfront. I remember seeing PFE reefers there marked "for banana loading only" -- but being young and carefree as well as cameraless I didn't take any notes at the time.

Barry Roth

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
Philadelphia.



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Re: U of Cal library

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>
provided a link to
(http://www.calisphere.universityofcalifornia.edu/), a service of the
University of California Libraries.

Has anyone gone through the many other photos? Any other freight car
photos?
Yes, I have and no, as I recall nothing online worth mentioning. OTOH if
you go to Berkeley and visit the Bancroft Library, be sure to check out the
contents of the Roy Graves collection. Almost 5000 rail oriented photos,
most of which are from central California, and at least some have to include
freight cars.

Dave Nelson


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Williams wrote:
Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at Philadelphia.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

bill_d_goat
 

--- In STMFC@..., "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:

While doing research on steel ice refrigerator car NP 91366 which
is
at the Northwest Railway Museum I found the following info on this
car with dates from its visit to the NP ice dock in Seattle. Notice
the entry for October 2, 1962.

Richard Wilkens

Visits by Northern Pacific Refrigerator Car NP 91366
To Seattle Ice Dock 1960 – 1962

May 10, 1960 Re-ice with chunk ice, no salt

November 27, 1961 Install 1 heater, set for 57 ½ degrees for
bananas

December 31, 1961 Refuel heaters and set for 55 degrees for bananas

July 23, 1962 Re-ice with 500# ice each end for bananas

October 2, 1962 Reverse vents for bananas

December 17, 1962 Reverse heaters and set for 55 degrees for
bananas

December 31, 1962 Install heaters for bananas
Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
Bill Williams


Re: 1937 AAR box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

The car is definitely appropriate for 1945, if you reweigh it. :-)

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "j3a5405" <j3a5405@...>
There is an Atlas box car on ebay at the moment (item #110104952981),
and I was wondering if these cars were delivered with the metal roof
walks, or if they were added later. Would this car be appropriate for
a 1945 railroad?

Thanks,
Mike


Re: 1937 AAR box cars

Tim O'Connor
 

The cars were rehab'ed in their 20's and received straight side sills
(reinforced sills) and probably got new running boards then, if ever.
But not by 1945, as you guess.

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Larry Kline <lndkline@...>

Ed's roster also says that the NP 15500-15999 series was built by ACF
in March 1940 so the cars is appropriate for a 1945 model railroad.
However, the reweigh period for all steel house cars is listed in the
1943 ORER as 30 months so the car should have been reweighed by 1945. I
don't know whether metal running boards were added later.
I would guess not by 1945 but thats only a guess.
Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: 1937 AAR box cars

Larry Kline
 

Mike wrote:
There is an Atlas box car on ebay at the moment (item #110104952981),
and I was wondering if these cars were delivered with the metal roof
walks, or if they were added later. Would this car be appropriate for a
1945 railroad?

Ed Hawkins' roster says that these cars were delivered with wood
running boards. See:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html

Ed's roster also says that the NP 15500-15999 series was built by ACF
in March 1940 so the cars is appropriate for a 1945 model railroad.
However, the reweigh period for all steel house cars is listed in the
1943 ORER as 30 months so the car should have been reweighed by 1945. I
don't know whether metal running boards were added later.
I would guess not by 1945 but thats only a guess.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: ART HO decals

jerryglow2
 

Depending on the desired paint scheme, Champ's Wabash flag is too big.
It is correct for it's intended use.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Andy

Champ's BRH-44 has color heralds, while BRH-62 has the black & white
heralds for the later scheme. Also check out ODDBALLS 108, 109, 110.

Tim


1937 AAR box cars

Mike Williams
 

There is an Atlas box car on ebay at the moment (item #110104952981),
and I was wondering if these cars were delivered with the metal roof
walks, or if they were added later. Would this car be appropriate for
a 1945 railroad?

Thanks,
Mike


Great Northern covered hopper

dphobbyman <peardo@...>
 

Hi all-can some one give me the correct gray (light or dark) to use
with Champ CN-421 red letter decal, thanks, Doug Pearce.

132381 - 132400 of 193464