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Going Bananas ...
My understanding is that the majority of the bananas came in thru
East Coast and Gulf ports - originally - and then that there were changes in shipping and in the overall demand (due as much to population as anything else) and so some of the bananas started to be shipped to West Coast ports via the Panama Canal. As population grew in the West more and more of the supply of bananas to the West coast came to the West Coast via the canal. Then, later on, additional sources of bananas started to be used that were shipped to the U.S. from Pacific ports. With modern refridgeration bananas and other perishables can be shipped by almost any route because they are loaded into containers that each have their own temperature control mechanisms. Enough general overview - I know that there were cars such as the W.I.F. cars that at least advertised bananas - but those cars were box cars. Were bananas shipped without refridgeration in the STMFC era? - Jim in San Jose
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Re: U of Cal library
Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
There are some additional railroad photos. Searches using the
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terms "railroad", "santa fe", "southern pacific", "union pacific", "freight", "station", etc will bring them out. I believe there are 1,200 images attached to the term "railroad" and these overlap the other terms. Many of the captions appear to be correct but there are some errors as to places, dates and details that I recognized. Bob Chaparro Mission Viejo/Hemet ==========================================
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C&EI Wood Cabooses
asychis@...
In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:40:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes: Perhaps it will also reveal some info on another C&EI caboose that I've been searching for,....a 4 window (per-side), wood, center- coupola, truss-rod type. This type caboose seems to appear on pages 13 & 38, in Edward DeRouin's book, "C&EI RR In Color", but the CEIHS has yet been unable to identify it. I used to see this type caboose on the C&EI Clearing-freights in Chicago, in the early 1960's. Paul, the book does not cover C&EI wood cabooses in great detail. At least in the text. The rosters are there for as many C&EI cabooses as I could find. Do you have numbers for these wood cabooses you are interested in? Jerry ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Digest Number 3549
asychis@...
In a message dated 3/20/2007 6:27:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes: While it has nothing to do with waycars I thought the SLSF was the road that had been involved with the C&EI for many years. Correct. Prior to the MoPac's interest in gaining entry to Chicago, there wasn't a whole lot if interaction between the two roads. Jerry Michels ************************************** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Dave Powell wrote:
Don’t forget New Orleans. LA.Dave, are you reading all the posts? Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
David Powell <daveydiesel@...>
Don’t forget New Orleans. LA. Dave Powell
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Schuyler Larrabee Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:24 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco andBoston and New York, too. SGL -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
Schuyler Larrabee
Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco andBoston and New York, too. SGL
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Re: Reefer Hatches
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Kurt Laughlin wrote:
Tony, what do you mean by "confiscated"?That's the term in freight service for grabbing someone's empty for your own use (of course with free-running cars, that's okay). The eastern railroads, often without much supply of reefers in good condition, loved to confiscate SFRD and PFE cars. Conversely, at the peak of harvest season when PFE was using eastern cars like MDT, western shippers complained bitterly about the shabby condition of the eastern empties. There's a story about this in the PFE book. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Reefer Hatches
Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
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From: Anthony Thompson PFE and SFRD had many active agents in eastern cities, but their job was to make sure empties were promptly moved westward (and not confiscated), not to check on open ice hatches or to clean cars. ----- Original Message ----- Tony, what do you mean by "confiscated"? KL
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
armprem
Now how could I have missed that?Sorry 'bout that.Armand Premo
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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches > Armand Premo wrote: >> And New Orleans? > > Armand, read the original post: the poster asked if all bananas > came in through Gulf Coast ports. Last time I checked, New Orleans > qualified as one of those. > > Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA > 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com > (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... > Publishers of books on railroad history > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: C&EI "Magor" copies
Paul Hillman
Jerry Michels,
Thanks for your info. I went to the MPHS and ordered their MP Caboose book. Not cheap!,...but 400 pages of apparently deep-data. It says it covers the MoPac & C&EI, and their other RR's in great detail on the "Magor" type cabooses, and extensively all their RR's other types. Perhaps it will also reveal some info on another C&EI caboose that I've been searching for,....a 4 window (per-side), wood, center- coupola, truss-rod type. This type caboose seems to appear on pages 13 & 38, in Edward DeRouin's book, "C&EI RR In Color", but the CEIHS has yet been unable to identify it. I used to see this type caboose on the C&EI Clearing-freights in Chicago, in the early 1960's. Thanks, Paul Hillman ******************************************************************** In STMFC@..., asychis@... wrote: My information indicates that the C&EI "Magor-type" cabooses were built in 1947 by ACF. They were numbered 1-6 and all retired by mid- 1977. They were assigned MoPac numbers 13952-13958, but it is doubtful these numbers were ever applied. The book "Cabooses of the Missouri Pacific Lines" (available from the Missouri Pacific Historical Society) covers the C&EI Magor copies and MoPac Magor and Magor copies in depth. Jerry Michels
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Re: U of Cal library
Jack Burgess <jack@...>
Dave wrote:
OTOH if you go to Berkeley and visit the Bancroft Library, be sure tooriented photos, most of which are from central California, and at least some have toinclude freight cars.I haven't checked out any of the Graves photos except his Yosemite Valley Railroad photos. There are 58 Graves photos of the YV of which about half are locomotive photos. About a quarter are from the two fan trip excursions in 1944 and 1945. The rest are stations, cabooses (2 shots) and one of a M of W crane. There are also copies of some "historic" photos that show up in a number of collections. There aren't any freight car photos in his YV stuff. This is typical for collections of that period since a significant portion of the rail photography hobby was trading negatives of locomotives. There were exceptions for west coast railfans such as Paul Darrell (who was considered "odd" <g>) since he liked freight cars. And, of course, W.C. Whittaker was taking freight car photos. But, at least based on his YV photos, Graves wasn't taking many freight car photos. Maybe Graves shot more freight cars for the large carriers such as the SP and WP but most of this collection, as I recall, was California short lines.... Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Armand Premo wrote:
And New Orleans?Armand, read the original post: the poster asked if all bananas came in through Gulf Coast ports. Last time I checked, New Orleans qualified as one of those. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
armprem
And New Orleans? Armand Premo
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From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: <STMFC@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches > Bill Williams wrote: >> Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to >> Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came >> through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O.. > > Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and > Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at > Philadelphia. > > Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA > 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com > (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... > Publishers of books on railroad history > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 3/20/2007 8:07 AM > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Reefer Hatches
Charlie Vlk
Russ-
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I knew "Wood Street Yard"..... Not Robey.... but had a brain fart. Thanks, Charlie Vlk
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From: Russ Strodtz To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Hatches Charlie, Right, I've been there. The sellers started early and the usual desired spot time at Wood Street, Morgan Street and Racine was 0500. Robey Street was a B&OCT engine facility, not the name of any yard. CB&Q had an interlocking there but spelled it "Roby Street". Russ Strodtz ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie Vlk To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, 20 March, 2007 11:51 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Hatches There is a C&NW film that shows the interior of the Potato Yard Office at Robey Street... there was a chalkboard with the spots for each track painted on it and the car number and load were chalked on it by the Yardmaster or the guy in charge of the Terminal. I am sure that this gave the switch crews the information they needed to remove empties and which cars had to stay on spot or be moved at the direction of the Terminal Manager. The alleys in between the tracks were paved for the teams/trucks of the buyers to directly offload the cars as was described in a previous post; I imagine that the switching took place after market hours in order to avoid all the civilians and their vehicles. Charlie Vlk
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
Barry Roth
The "banana dock" was a fixture on the southern San Francisco waterfront. I remember seeing PFE reefers there marked "for banana loading only" -- but being young and carefree as well as cameraless I didn't take any notes at the time.
Barry Roth Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote: Bill Williams wrote: Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came toSeattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at Philadelphia. . --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
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Re: U of Cal library
Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
ed_mines wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>Yes, I have and no, as I recall nothing online worth mentioning. OTOH if you go to Berkeley and visit the Bancroft Library, be sure to check out the contents of the Roy Graves collection. Almost 5000 rail oriented photos, most of which are from central California, and at least some have to include freight cars. Dave Nelson
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bill Williams wrote:
Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came toSeattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at Philadelphia. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches
bill_d_goat
--- In STMFC@..., "railsnw1" <railsnw@...> wrote:
is at the Northwest Railway Museum I found the following info on thisbananas Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O.. Bill Williams
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Re: 1937 AAR box cars
The car is definitely appropriate for 1945, if you reweigh it. :-)
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From: "j3a5405" <j3a5405@...> There is an Atlas box car on ebay at the moment (item #110104952981),
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