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C&NW's Wood Street Terminal/ The Potato Yard

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

While reviewing the June 2002 issue of RAILMODEL JOURNAL I came
across a 1920s photo of C&NW's Wood Street Terminal in Chicago. This
facility also was known as "The Potato Yard".

The image shows scores of reefers and an ice deck. There is no
storage terminal building visible. Instead, the tracks for unloading
reefers are in pairs with space between each pair of tracks for
trucks to be loaded directly from the cars.

Fortunately, you won't have to look for the magazine as one can
locate the same image on the C&NW Historical Society's website. The
images can be seen at:

http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/displayimage.php?
album=search&cat=0&pos=0

or

http://tinyurl.com/32vlnk

Bob Chaparro
Moderator
Citrus Industry Modeling Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/citrusmodeling/


Re: U of Cal library

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bob Chaparro wrote:
There are some additional railroad photos. Searches using the terms "railroad", "santa fe", "southern pacific", "union pacific", "freight", "station", etc will bring them out.
I would say there are MANY additional railroad photos.

Many of the captions appear to be correct but there are some errors as to places, dates and details that I recognized.
Let them know, Bob. We should all share knowledge when it can help with something like this. Many photos also have no caption at all. If you know something about location or subject, let them know.

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Going Bananas ...

Jim Betz
 

My understanding is that the majority of the bananas came in thru
East Coast and Gulf ports - originally - and then that there were
changes in shipping and in the overall demand (due as much to population
as anything else) and so some of the bananas started to be shipped
to West Coast ports via the Panama Canal. As population grew in the
West more and more of the supply of bananas to the West coast came
to the West Coast via the canal. Then, later on, additional sources of
bananas started to be used that were shipped to the U.S. from Pacific
ports. With modern refridgeration bananas and other perishables can
be shipped by almost any route because they are loaded into containers
that each have their own temperature control mechanisms.
Enough general overview - I know that there were cars such as the
W.I.F. cars that at least advertised bananas - but those cars were
box cars. Were bananas shipped without refridgeration in the
STMFC era?
- Jim in San Jose


Re: U of Cal library

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

There are some additional railroad photos. Searches using the
terms "railroad", "santa fe", "southern pacific", "union
pacific", "freight", "station", etc will bring them out. I believe
there are 1,200 images attached to the term "railroad" and these
overlap the other terms. Many of the captions appear to be correct but
there are some errors as to places, dates and details that I recognized.


Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet

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--- In STMFC@..., "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@>
provided a link to
(http://www.calisphere.universityofcalifornia.edu/), a service of the
University of California Libraries.

Has anyone gone through the many other photos? Any other freight car
photos?

Ed


C&EI Wood Cabooses

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 3/21/2007 8:40:47 AM Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes:

Perhaps it will also reveal some info on another C&EI caboose that
I've been searching for,....a 4 window (per-side), wood, center-
coupola, truss-rod type. This type caboose seems to appear on pages
13 & 38, in Edward DeRouin's book, "C&EI RR In Color", but the CEIHS
has yet been unable to identify it. I used to see this type caboose
on the C&EI Clearing-freights in Chicago, in the early 1960's.

Paul, the book does not cover C&EI wood cabooses in great detail. At least
in the text. The rosters are there for as many C&EI cabooses as I could find.
Do you have numbers for these wood cabooses you are interested in?

Jerry



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Re: Digest Number 3549

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 3/20/2007 6:27:03 PM Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes:

While it has nothing to do with waycars I thought the SLSF
was the road that had been involved with the C&EI for many
years.

Correct. Prior to the MoPac's interest in gaining entry to Chicago, there
wasn't a whole lot if interaction between the two roads.

Jerry Michels



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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Dave Powell wrote:
Don’t forget New Orleans. LA.
Dave, are you reading all the posts?

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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

David Powell <daveydiesel@...>
 

Dont forget New Orleans. LA. Dave Powell

-----Original Message-----
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Schuyler Larrabee
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:24 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches



Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
Philadelphia.

Tony Thompson Editor
Boston and New York, too.

SGL


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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Schuyler Larrabee
 

Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
Philadelphia.

Tony Thompson Editor
Boston and New York, too.

SGL


Re: Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Kurt Laughlin wrote:
Tony, what do you mean by "confiscated"?
That's the term in freight service for grabbing someone's empty for your own use (of course with free-running cars, that's okay). The eastern railroads, often without much supply of reefers in good condition, loved to confiscate SFRD and PFE cars. Conversely, at the peak of harvest season when PFE was using eastern cars like MDT, western shippers complained bitterly about the shabby condition of the eastern empties. There's a story about this in the PFE book.

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Re: Reefer Hatches

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson

PFE and SFRD had many active agents in eastern cities, but their job was to make sure empties were promptly moved westward (and not confiscated), not to check on open ice hatches or to clean cars. ----- Original Message -----

Tony, what do you mean by "confiscated"?

KL


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

armprem
 

Now how could I have missed that?Sorry 'bout that.Armand Premo

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches


> Armand Premo wrote:
>> And New Orleans?
>
> Armand, read the original post: the poster asked if all bananas
> came in through Gulf Coast ports. Last time I checked, New Orleans
> qualified as one of those.
>
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Re: C&EI "Magor" copies

Paul Hillman
 

Jerry Michels,

Thanks for your info. I went to the MPHS and ordered their MP Caboose
book. Not cheap!,...but 400 pages of apparently deep-data.

It says it covers the MoPac & C&EI, and their other RR's in great
detail on the "Magor" type cabooses, and extensively all their RR's
other types.

Perhaps it will also reveal some info on another C&EI caboose that
I've been searching for,....a 4 window (per-side), wood, center-
coupola, truss-rod type. This type caboose seems to appear on pages
13 & 38, in Edward DeRouin's book, "C&EI RR In Color", but the CEIHS
has yet been unable to identify it. I used to see this type caboose
on the C&EI Clearing-freights in Chicago, in the early 1960's.

Thanks, Paul Hillman

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In STMFC@..., asychis@... wrote:

My information indicates that the C&EI "Magor-type" cabooses were
built in 1947 by ACF. They were numbered 1-6 and all retired by mid-
1977. They were assigned MoPac numbers 13952-13958, but it is
doubtful these numbers were ever applied.

The book "Cabooses of the Missouri Pacific Lines" (available from the
Missouri Pacific Historical Society) covers the C&EI Magor copies and
MoPac Magor and Magor copies in depth.

Jerry Michels


Re: U of Cal library

Jack Burgess <jack@...>
 

Dave wrote:
OTOH if you go to Berkeley and visit the Bancroft Library, be sure to
check out the contents of the Roy Graves collection. Almost 5000 rail
oriented photos,
most of which are from central California, and at least some have to
include
freight cars.
I haven't checked out any of the Graves photos except his Yosemite Valley
Railroad photos. There are 58 Graves photos of the YV of which about half
are locomotive photos. About a quarter are from the two fan trip excursions
in 1944 and 1945. The rest are stations, cabooses (2 shots) and one of a M
of W crane. There are also copies of some "historic" photos that show up in
a number of collections. There aren't any freight car photos in his YV
stuff. This is typical for collections of that period since a significant
portion of the rail photography hobby was trading negatives of locomotives.
There were exceptions for west coast railfans such as Paul Darrell (who was
considered "odd" <g>) since he liked freight cars. And, of course, W.C.
Whittaker was taking freight car photos. But, at least based on his YV
photos, Graves wasn't taking many freight car photos. Maybe Graves shot more
freight cars for the large carriers such as the SP and WP but most of this
collection, as I recall, was California short lines....

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Armand Premo wrote:
And New Orleans?
Armand, read the original post: the poster asked if all bananas came in through Gulf Coast ports. Last time I checked, New Orleans qualified as one of those.

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Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

armprem
 

And New Orleans? Armand Premo

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Ice Reefer Hatches


> Bill Williams wrote:
>> Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
>> Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
>> through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
>
> Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
> Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
> Philadelphia.
>
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Re: Reefer Hatches

Charlie Vlk
 

Russ-
I knew "Wood Street Yard"..... Not Robey.... but had a brain fart.
Thanks,
Charlie Vlk

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Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 11:36 AM
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Charlie,

Right, I've been there. The sellers started early
and the usual desired spot time at Wood Street, Morgan
Street and Racine was 0500.

Robey Street was a B&OCT engine facility, not the name
of any yard. CB&Q had an interlocking there but spelled
it "Roby Street".

Russ Strodtz
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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, 20 March, 2007 11:51
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Reefer Hatches

There is a C&NW film that shows the interior of the Potato Yard
Office at Robey Street... there was a chalkboard
with the spots for each track painted on it and the car number
and load were chalked on it by the Yardmaster or
the guy in charge of the Terminal. I am sure that this gave the
switch crews the information they needed to remove
empties and which cars had to stay on spot or be moved at the
direction of the Terminal Manager.
The alleys in between the tracks were paved for the teams/trucks
of the buyers to directly offload the cars as was
described in a previous post; I imagine that the switching took
place after market hours in order to avoid all the
civilians and their vehicles.
Charlie Vlk


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Barry Roth
 

The "banana dock" was a fixture on the southern San Francisco waterfront. I remember seeing PFE reefers there marked "for banana loading only" -- but being young and carefree as well as cameraless I didn't take any notes at the time.

Barry Roth

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
Bill Williams wrote:
Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and
Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at
Philadelphia.



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Re: U of Cal library

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

ed_mines wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Bob Chaparro" <thecitrusbelt@...>
provided a link to
(http://www.calisphere.universityofcalifornia.edu/), a service of the
University of California Libraries.

Has anyone gone through the many other photos? Any other freight car
photos?
Yes, I have and no, as I recall nothing online worth mentioning. OTOH if
you go to Berkeley and visit the Bancroft Library, be sure to check out the
contents of the Roy Graves collection. Almost 5000 rail oriented photos,
most of which are from central California, and at least some have to include
freight cars.

Dave Nelson


Re: Ice Reefer Hatches

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Bill Williams wrote:
Does this mean that, at least in the '60's, banana ships came to
Seattle for eastward loading? I had always thought that bananas came
through Gulf Coast ports and went all over vis I.C. and G.M.& O..
Seattle was a significant banana port; so were San Francisco and Los Angeles on the west coast. They also came in for a time at Philadelphia.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

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