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Re: cover of PRM vol. 2

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dan Stinson asked:
"PRM ?

Professional Railroader Magazine?
People Racing Mules?
I guess it doesn't translate as well to some of us. Could we have a
hint?"

PRM = Prototype Railroad Modeling Journal
http://www.speedwitch.com/Journal.htm


Ben Hom


Re: cover of PRM vol. 2

 

Can anyone identify the white load in the gon on the right on the cover
of PRM col. 2?
PRM ?

Professional Railroader Magazine?
People Racing Mules?
I guess it doesn't translate as well to some of us. Could we have a hint?

Dan Stinson
Helena, Montana

Acronyms are our modern Tower of Babel.
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Re: cover of PRM vol. 2

Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
 

ED,

It appears to be bundles of steel/ metalic items wraped against weather.

Fred Freitas

ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can anyone identify the white load in the gon on the right on the cover
of PRM col. 2?

Ed






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ed_mines
 

Does anyone know the disposition of Mr. Andrews negative collection?

I asked about buying prints from him about 1980; I think he was gone by
then but someone in his family sent me a contact print of a box car.

Ed


Re: cover of PRM vol. 2

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Ed,

My first impression would be some kind of forgings that
have been wrapped in canvas. Can not see how it could be
any kind of bulk commodity.

Russ Strodtz

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Subject: [STMFC] cover of PRM vol. 2


Can anyone identify the white load in the gon on the right on
the cover
of PRM col. 2?

Ed




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cover of PRM vol. 2

ed_mines
 

Can anyone identify the white load in the gon on the right on the cover
of PRM col. 2?

Ed


Re: C&NW's Wood Street Terminal/ The Potato Yard

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Tim,

Wood Street also handled Onions. From the number of
open hatches this may be the Onion end of the layout
or a shot during the small Spring or Fall periods
when potatoes could be handled with ventilation only.

The freight yard to the left belong to the C&NW.
Beyond and to the left of it was the B&OCT Lincoln
Street Coach Yard and the Robey Street Roundhouse.

To the right of this photo, (Which is facing East
towards downtown), there were at least six or seven
more pairs of tracks which would have gradually gotten
longer. Between the South border of the Wood Street
terminal and the CB&Q main was the CB&Q Western Ave
roundhouse where all passenger power was serviced.

Off in the smoke in the distance would have been the
C&NW Morgan Street unloading area for produce in general.
At that point the C&NW and CB&Q were side by side on
the same elevation above the streets. The CB&Q had a
small produce unloading area at Racine Ave. almost
directly across from Morgan Street.

Moving further East the C&NW mains lined up directly
with the St Charles Airline. The CB&Q connected with the
Airline via crossovers at the Union Avenue interlocking.

While the C&NW and CB&Q shared the same elevation the
B&OCT was about a block North on it's own. The SOO and
CGW also used the B&OCT trackage. The two double track
bridges over the Chicago river were side by side.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim O'Connor
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 21 March, 2007 21:37
Subject: Re: [STMFC] C&NW's Wood Street Terminal/ The Potato
Yard



direct link:
http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/albums/userpics/10101/Wood-Street-Chgo.jpg

looks to me like some judicious airbrushing has 'cleaned up' the
place a bit

Tim O'Connor


Re: Going Bananas ...

Tim O'Connor
 

The pre-eminence of the Pennsy, both its operating and mechanical
departments, peaked early in the 20th century and rapidly declined
thereafter owing to arrogance and bad management, with the
post-World-War-I squandering of capital on its ill-conceived
electrification project hastening its eventual demise.
Oh that's just silly. The SP had "ill-conceived elecrification"
projects, and built large new passenger terminals long after the
decline in passenger traffic was well under way. I agree the PRR
was arrogant, but so were most other railroads -- pride and tunnel
vision were widespread traits of railroad management.

The PRR, NYC, B&O, NH, B&M, Erie, Lackawanna, LV -- ALL of them
declined precipitously following WWII. And all of the western roads
thrived in the 20 years after WWII. Gee, could it have something to
do with the population explosion in the west, and the shifting of
industry to wide open spaces where longer hauls were the norm? If it
hadn't been for Powder River coal and trade with Asia, we'd have
had a western version of the pre-Conrail meltdown by now...


C&EI-Frisco Relationships

asychis@...
 

This was part of B. F. Yoakum's short-lived empire that fell apart in the
1920s. One of the major results was that the Missouri Pacific was able to buy
the Gulf Coast Lines. This is why we had frieght cars on the MoPac until around
1956 with StLB&M, NOT&M, I-GN (to an extent) and other reporting marks.

Jerry Michels



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Re: C&EI Wood Cabooses

asychis@...
 

Paul,

C&EI cabooses 320-339 were built by Mount Vernon Car Company, Mount Vernon,
IL, in 1913. Their dimensions were 29' 6" long, 8' 5" wide and 6' 3" high. 323
and 328 were sold to the Minneapolis Northfield and Southern in June 1951.
The rest were retired in the mid 1940s through the 1950s. 326 and 338 were the
last to go, sometime before 1/24/61. This information is in the caboose book
in the roster section. The information came from C&EI documents in the
Missouri Pacific records kept in the salt mines in Hutchinson, KS. I was fortunate
enough to be allowed to visit there in the 1980s before the lawyers locked it
down.

Jerry Michels



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Re: Going Bananas ...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote (in the midst of perfectly sensible comments):

. . . It didn't help that PRR's J. Harold Geisel, who chaired the ARA committee on car
construction in the 1920s, was notoriously arrogant and abrasive . . .
I think the name you meant to type was W.F. Kiesel. Geisel was someone else. But your description of Kiesel is right on target.

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Re: Going Bananas ...

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 21, 2007, at 6:33 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

BTW, Dave, though I can't speak for Richard, I don't dislike the
Pennsy, I just find its fans excessively reverent towards it. Poking
fun at such people is irresistible. Fact is, the Pennsy had plenty to
be humble about, as did nearly all railroads.
Now that I'm back on the list after a trip out of town (to Hawaii, in fact), I can speak for myself on this subject. I entirely agree with Tony, and I will add that I have always found the pretentiousness of the PRR's mechanical department during the steam era to be both unwarranted and annoying (as did the mechanical officials of many other RRs). With regard to freight cars, the PRR's claim to be the "standard railroad of the world" bordered on the ludicrious, as almost all of their freight car designs, though often built in very large numbers, were unique, eccentric, and seldom copied by other RRs. It didn't help that PRR's J. Harold Geisel, who chaired the ARA committee on car construction in the 1920s, was notoriously arrogant and abrasive, a fact which helps to explain why the proposed 1924 ARA steel box car, based on the PRR's X29, failed to be approved as a standard design.

Through the 1920s and 1930s, the PRR persisted in building cars with roofs, underframes, trucks, etc. of obsolete in-house design which were notably deficient by comparison with contemporary car building practice. They were still building undersize X29s in 1934 with roofs that were prone to leak, truck sideframes that were prone to crack, and side sheathing that trapped water and rusted out. And as late as 1941, they were building X37s on what was essentially the X29 underframe, long after the superiority of the AAR standard box car underframe had been well demonstrated. Meanwhile, they were continuing to assert that PRR engineering was superior to everyone else's.

Of course, it was also the case that all of the PRR's steam loco designs after the mid-1920s were disasters, some worse than others, though that is off-topic, so I won't dwell on it.

The pre-eminence of the Pennsy, both its operating and mechanical departments, peaked early in the 20th century and rapidly declined thereafter owing to arrogance and bad management, with the post-World-War-I squandering of capital on its ill-conceived electrification project hastening its eventual demise. So I think it is fair to say that, In the era most of us on this list model, the Pennsy's size made it an important railroad but, in many particulars, it fell far short of being a great railroad.

It's not hard to understand why the PRR has been, and continues to be, popular with a large number of modelers; it was a very large RR that served a sizable and heavily populated part of the country, and much of its rolling stock was distinctive in design. So I have no quarrel whatever with those who model it, a number of whom I count among my personal friends, as long as they avoid the tendency of their prototype railroad to be excessively pretentious.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Tichy USRA boxcar weights

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

Your kit must have shipped without the nuts. Go to a Home Depot/Lowes and
get some replacements, or just weigh the car and add lead to suit NMRA
specs.
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni



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Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 20:35:18 -0700
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Subject: [STMFC] Tichy USRA boxcar weights







I notice that the Tichy USRA boxcar kit has no weights. The
floor does have hexagonal ridges to accept a pair of hex nuts.
The directions are silent on weights.

What size hex nuts accomodate these features? Are they about
an ounce each? Is that hex nut size good for boxcars in
general?


Tichy USRA boxcar weights

James Mischke <jmischke@...>
 

I notice that the Tichy USRA boxcar kit has no weights. The
floor does have hexagonal ridges to accept a pair of hex nuts.
The directions are silent on weights.

What size hex nuts accomodate these features? Are they about
an ounce each? Is that hex nut size good for boxcars in
general?


Re: Going Bananas ...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Peter J. McClosky wrote:
David, David, David...
How can you say that Tony doesn't like the Pennsy?
I was once at a meeting where Tony gave a talk on Modeling the Pennsy!
It was titled (some like) "Modeling the Pennsy... Without Brain Damage" ;>)
Yep, that's the exact title. A true Pennsy freight car expert, Gary Rauch, sat through it once (it DOES contain some abuse of Pennsy shortcomings), and afterwards I asked him, with a little trepidation, what he thought. "Well," he said, with downcast eyes, "it hurt but it was all true."

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Re: Going Bananas ...

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Larry Jackman wrote:
I totally disagree with you on color and taste. Anything past yellow with a bit of green in is beyond good taste. I love them green with the yellow just starting to break. But that is me. Black is ready for the garbage pail. But my wife will eat most any color banana.
There is, of course, no accounting for taste <g>. If you ever have a banana daiquiri in the tropics, Larry, don't watch them make it: they use a really black banana (inside as well as outside) to get the really intense, sweet banana fruit taste. In my opinion, it's a GREAT drink. But then, I do like bananas, while my wife is happy to skip anything with bananas in it.
Maybe Mike can help here--is this conceivably getting off topic ???

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Re: C&NW's Wood Street Terminal/ The Potato Yard

Tim O'Connor
 

direct link:
http://www.cnwhs.org/memberphotos/albums/userpics/10101/Wood-Street-Chgo.jpg

looks to me like some judicious airbrushing has 'cleaned up' the
place a bit

Tim O'Connor

At 3/21/2007 12:05 PM Wednesday, you wrote:
While reviewing the June 2002 issue of RAILMODEL JOURNAL I came
across a 1920s photo of C&NW's Wood Street Terminal in Chicago. This
facility also was known as "The Potato Yard".

The image shows scores of reefers and an ice deck. There is no
storage terminal building visible. Instead, the tracks for unloading
reefers are in pairs with space between each pair of tracks for
trucks to be loaded directly from the cars.

Fortunately, you won't have to look for the magazine as one can
locate the same image on the C&NW Historical Society's website.


Re: Going Bananas ...

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Dave Nelson wrote:
A search thru the archives will turn up several old threads where banana
shipments were discussed in detail. I don't recall if any dealt with
your question specifically but there certain was discussion about ports,
preferred carriers, shipment routes, service levels, and the obligatory
side track of why Richard and Tony don't like the Pennsy. 8-)

Dave Nelson
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David, David, David...

How can you say that Tony doesn't like the Pennsy?

I was once at a meeting where Tony gave a talk on Modeling the Pennsy!

It was titled (some like) "Modeling the Pennsy... Without Brain Damage" ;>)

Peter
"With Tongue firmly held in cheek!!"

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Re: Going Bananas ...

ljack70117@...
 

Yesssssssssssss. ANDddddddddddd
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@adelphia.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Mar 21, 2007, at 7:35 PM, Kurt Laughlin wrote:

----- Original Message -----
From: ljack70117@adelphia.net

Never put bananas in the refrigerator means after they are ripened.
They will turn black. Ship bananas at 45/50 degrees while they are
green if you want to keep them green. Higher degrees will start them
ripening.
----- Original Message -----

On of our graduate assistants in college had worked on the docks in Taiwan.
He was there when a banana ship opened up it hold after setting the
thermostats to 45C, rather than 45F. . .

KL




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Re: C&EI "Magor" copies

Tony Thompson
 

Russ Strodtz wrote:
"While it has nothing to do with waycars, I thought the SLSF was the road that had been involved with the C&EI for many years."
Paul Hillman replied:
According to Edward DeRouin's, "C&EI In Color", page 9;
"Frisco purchased C&EI on Oct. 1, 1902."
Then,........;
,...apparently in 1913,...."...Frisco dragged the C&EI into bankruptcy and a court appointed receivership."
Then,........;
"On Dec. 13, 1920 the C&EI was reorganized."
After that time, I don't see the SLSF mentioned again as being
involved with the C&EI.
According to the Kalmbach "Historical Guide" book, that's all correct. In 1926 the Van Sweringens acquired control of C&EI but didn't do much with it. In 1940 the road was again reorganized and in 1959 began merger discussions with Missouri Pacific (with which it had enjoyed friendly relations for some time). Mopac acquired control in 1963 and merged the C&EI into itself in 1976.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
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