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SLRX and SRLX reporting marks

Peter Weiglin
 

Let me warn about what will seem obvious to some.

SLRX was St. Louis Refrigerator (Xpress)
SRLX was Swift Refrigerator Line (Xpress)

The two can be confused; I have a dim memory of some decals that were made incorrectly years ago and applied by an unsuspecting modeler who is now much older, if not wiser.

Peter Weiglin
Amelia, OH


Heinz Vinegar Cars.

bdg1210 <Bruce_Griffin@...>
 

Group,

While watching a B&O video of movements in Ohio in the late 1950's I
saw a Heinz vinegar car on a train. The car was moving west from
Willard yard. It looked like something from the 1920's with its
multi-banded horizontal tanks on a flat car frame. Is there a model
for such a car? Was this an amonoly in the 1950's?

Bruce D. Griffin
Summerfield, NC


Re: Santa Fe mechanical dept mistakes

Eric
 

Gee Bill, that was heinous. I think you should send everyone on the list two cartons of the
Branchline product of their choice for reparations.

Eric Petersson


Mike Brock writes:

"As far as Santa Fe's design mistakes in the 30's, 40's and 50's goes...I'm
thinking about them. And thinking...and thinking......Gimmeee time..."

Well, they left the belpaire fire boxes off for one....

Bill Schneider (ducking for cover)

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Re: SLRX Car Lading

Jim Williams <wwww5960@...>
 

Hi all.....Beware of the"purple" decals in the Sunshine kit. The stripe ran on me when I used a decal set. I now have a heavily weathered reefer....best Jim Williams

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@att.net> wrote: Richard Hendrickson wrote:

so in the '40s and '50s
they went to white sides and, in the 1950s, small winged-oval SLRX
heralds above the reporting marks.
I have a Sunshine kit for one of these cars, and my focus is 1949, and had
thought I could use the small herald, so just checked the kit's "Prototype
Data Sheet".

It says the 36" wide herald came about in the late 1930s, and was increased
to 5 1/2 feet wide in late 1947. Also, a maroon stripe was added near the
bottom of the sides at that time. Included in the data sheet are photos of
SLRX 3180 with small herald, May 1947, and SLRX 6008 and 3359, both with
large heralds, Sept. 1948.

I guess the small herald is OK for 1949, if I ever build that kit...

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV






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Re: question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
. . . it has been observed on this list and elsewhere that evidently the rule was no longer enforced after 1946, at least as far as privately leased cars were concerned. It was Tony Thompson who furnished this information to this list, in 2002.
I am indeed the one who said "evidently," though that was before I had read and understood the details of the ICC ruling. Hopefully Tim understands "evidently."

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Billboard Reefers

Tony Thompson
 

Jim Betz wrote:
I do not have the date of the actual court ruling. Any one know it?
How about the court case name and venue?
Jim (and Tim), it was an ICC ruling. Not AAR and not a court. Richard and I have both retrieved all the details from ICC documents, and he has laid it out clearly in the text of the billboard reefer book he wrote with Ed Kaminski. It's in our pipeline to publish.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Read the post Tony. "Black Hawk" is the name of a PRODUCT brand
name, not the name of a company. Why can't you just agree that
advertising PRODUCTS on freight cars was completely legal in the
1950's? I can recite more examples if you like.
Best read it yet again, Tim. This time note the word "Ham." "Black Hawk" is a brand name. If you can't distinguish that from a product, I give up trying to crack your stubbornness.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: W&LE 70 ton offset side hoppers

al_brown03
 

There's an in-service photo of WLE 79417 in MM 2/95 p 49. I'm not an
expert on brake wheels, but the picture does show it.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:


On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:42 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

Does anyone have information on what
kind of brake wheel was used on these cars?
Eric,
Ajax according to NKP diagrams.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


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Re: Acrylic Dullcote?

James Eckman
 

Dullcote is good if you are planning on using it to weather the car using alcohol which causes it to gray. Otherwise I recommend using ModelMaster flat finish. One trick to spraying in cold weather is to leave the can and the models in a warm spot overnight and then immediately take them to the garage and spray them. I've sprayed at 50 degrees with success using this method. Since this is a spray lacquer it dries extremely fast, no time to get hurt by the cold!

Jim


Re: Acrylic Dullcote?

Barry Roth
 

I've had good results using the flat finish that comes with the product Rustall. I assume it's acrylic. It's water-soluble until dry at any rate. Very good for spot coverage over decals or dry transfer lettering.

Barry Roth

Dean Payne <deanpayne@netscape.com> wrote:
[...]
Is there a good flat coat available in acrylic? If so, I think I'd
prefer using that.
Dean Payne



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Billboard Reefers

Jim Betz
 

Richard,

Your post to Malcolm on this topic has me confused. I thought that the
ban on 'advertising on freight cars' was only related to those markings
that were for products other than those products 'made' by the company
who owned the car. Ie. a reefer that was owned by Rath could have any
thing Rath wanted on the side ... but if the car was owned by some other
company then it could not. Isn't that actually what the ruling was?
However - most of the billboard reefers were affected by the change
and - per Al Westerfield (in a post here on this list?) the majority of
the billboard reefers were gone in '37 and they 'all' were gone in '38.

I do not have the date of the actual court ruling. Any one know it?
How about the court case name and venue?
- Jim in San Jose


Re: Acrylic Dullcote?

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Dean,
I have had good results with MicroScale Flat as well as Poly scale flat.
Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Payne
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2007 10:44 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Acrylic Dullcote?


I have three resin 36' cars painted and ready for a coat of Dullcote,
but since I don't have a spray booth, I have been waiting for some
warm, dry weather to paint them in the garage. It's been a long wait,
and "dry" seems further away than warm! Plus, the spray can I've been
using doesn't seem to be as good at laying down a thin, even coat as my
airbrush. Close gives a thick coat, far gives a speckled coat.
Dullcote is available in a 1 3/4 oz bottle, but it's still solvent
based. I try to avoid solvents, if possible.
Is there a good flat coat available in acrylic? If so, I think I'd
prefer using that.
Dean Payne


Acrylic Dullcote?

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

I have three resin 36' cars painted and ready for a coat of Dullcote,
but since I don't have a spray booth, I have been waiting for some
warm, dry weather to paint them in the garage. It's been a long wait,
and "dry" seems further away than warm! Plus, the spray can I've been
using doesn't seem to be as good at laying down a thin, even coat as my
airbrush. Close gives a thick coat, far gives a speckled coat.
Dullcote is available in a 1 3/4 oz bottle, but it's still solvent
based. I try to avoid solvents, if possible.
Is there a good flat coat available in acrylic? If so, I think I'd
prefer using that.
Dean Payne


Re: HO-Trucks on PSC Frameless Tankcar Kit?

Dean Payne <deanpayne@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


On Mar 16, 2007, at 12:55 PM, Ned Carey wrote:

As I recall from Richards Article the trucks were an issue.
I think one issue was clearance for the running board side sill
steps. Someone mentioned 5' wheelbase trucks. I would think a
shorter truck should help with the clearance issue. However I
could live with slightly longer trucks if it cleared the steps.
Does anyone have a current recomendation for the trucks on these cars.

Thanks,

Ned Carey
Ned,

The Bowser caboose trucks are 5' wheelbase and come closest. As
noted previously, you do need to do some carving of springs, but
that
is good for the soul <VBG>.

Regards
Bruce
I would like to model the tank car with arch bar trucks. Richard's
article recommends On-Track 5304 arch bars, but I just got a bunch of
Tahoe arch bars, which were, of course, not available at the time of
the article. The width of the side frames is less than that of some
other trucks, and the detail is very fine, including the brake shoes
and brake beams. This is much more visible on these tank cars, plus,
my trucks came with narrow tread wheels, also visible. However, I
think they are 5' 6" wheelbase, which goes against the recommended 5'
wheelbase. I'm not sure whether the narrower width of the truck
would help mitigate the increased wheelbase or not. Are the On-Trak
trucks still the arch bar of choice?
I'm also intrigued by Bruce Smith's suggestion of using the new scale
width draft gear boxes on these models. Anybody tried this?
Dean Payne


Re: question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs

Tim O'Connor
 

I'm glad you mentioned Old Dutch Cleanser Richard, since that reminds
me of the Boraxo cleanser advertisement on freight cars that were NOT
used to transport cleanser, but instead carried raw materials that had
many uses, of which one was to use in cleanser. There are too many such
examples to list here.

The rule was an AAR rule, not an ICC rule, and was put into force on
Jan 1, 1937, and it has been observed on this list and elsewhere that
evidently the rule was no longer enforced after 1946, at least as far
as privately leased cars were concerned. It was Tony Thompson who
furnished this information to this list, in 2002.

Tim O'Connor

Yes, one version of the postwar Rath Indian head logo had "Black Hawk"
at the bottom. But NOT "Black Hawk Hams" (or bacon), because the ICC
regulations prohibited placing any advertising on the cars unless they
were used exclusively to transport that product. Other meat packers
also owned or leased reefers in the 1950s with their company logos on
them - Swift, Wilson, Etc. - but no mention of individual products,
unlike the pre-1938 billboard advertising, which even included ads for
such products as Old Dutch Cleanser that obviously were not shipped in
reefers.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs

Tim O'Connor
 

Read the post Tony. "Black Hawk" is the name of a PRODUCT brand
name, not the name of a company. Why can't you just agree that
advertising PRODUCTS on freight cars was completely legal in the
1950's? I can recite more examples if you like.

Tim O'Connor

At 3/24/2007 06:34 PM Saturday, you wrote:
Tim O'Connor wrote:
I have a 1950's color photo of RPRX 348, a reefer lettered with a
"Rath Black Hawk" logo on the side. Sure looks like advertising to
me... ( The car does not have truss rods however. )
Read the post, Tim. It was advertising of PRODUCTS which was
sensitive, not showing an owner's logo.

Tony Thompson


Re: SLRX Car Lading (Car Models)

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 24, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Bob Chaparro wrote:

On the The H.O. Beer Car Collectors Website (wow...there seems to be
a group for everything) at
http://www.hobeercars.com/beernames/budweise.html
there are several cars with bodies from MDC, Ye Old Huff N' Puff
Train Miniature and Main Line.

Are any of these car close to the prototypes?
No. The only accurate model is a resin kit by Sunshine.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: W&LE 70 ton offset side hoppers

Ed Hawkins
 

On Mar 24, 2007, at 7:42 PM, Eric Hansmann wrote:

Does anyone have information on what
kind of brake wheel was used on these cars?
Eric,
Ajax according to NKP diagrams.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


W&LE 70 ton offset side hoppers

Eric Hansmann
 

I am trying to get a trio of HO scale Wheeling & Lake Erie hoppers
roadworthy and came to a question. I'm using HO scale Stewart 70 ton offset
side triple hoppers. I know that gussets are not correct, but this is what
there is to work with.

The prototype installed 2000 hoppers in 1946-1947 numbered 79000-80999.
These were built by Ralston. These details come from The Wheeling & Lake
Erie Railway by John B. Corns. The book features only one builders image of
a car showing one side. There are no other images that feature this car
clearly in this book or the second volume. I've checked Fallen Flags for
images of these cars in W&LE or NKP paint, but there are none there. I've
also paged through the RP Cycs and checked the Steam Era Freight Cars
website - no luck on either source. Does anyone have information on what
kind of brake wheel was used on these cars?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Eric Hansmann
Morgantown, W. Va.


CG kit to debut at Savannah RPM

Jim King
 

It's always nice to have a new resin kit to offer at any meet, particularly
an RPM gathering where 'rivet counters' can appreciate the effort! Such
will be the case at the Savannah RPM meet next weekend.



I'm proud to announce that the HO CofG 41' wood rack, made from the popular
ventilated boxcar, will be on sale at the CGRHS table next weekend. The
pilot model will be displayed as well. This is the first offering of the
kit. Only about 20 kits will be available for sale at the show as I'm just
now finishing the pilot model and starting production castings. It'll be at
least 2 weeks before I can make the next shipment of kits to the CGHS, so
get 'em while you can.



The patterns were created using the same CAD/Rapid Prototyping process I've
used for several years but, as always, each kit has slight improvements over
its predecessor. The body is a 1-pc casting with a separate underframe,
non-magnetic brass strips for weights, non-magnetic Red Caboose scale
wheels, Tichy Andrew truck frames, Kadee scale couplers, ALPS decals, and
assorted wire and details to finish the kit. The weights are completely
hidden by the underframe. A cast wood load is tentatively planned for those
of you wanting a fleet of cars but not wanting to spend the time pruning
your neighbor's trees for "logs"! An S scale version is also planned as
part of my product line.



The kit is an exclusive for the CGRHS. Place your order with the CGRHS at
www.cofg.org, during the RPM show or be the first in line to take a kit (or
more) home with you. I will post a photo of the pilot model on my web site
after the RPM meet but will forward a pic to anyone requesting one before
then. Give me until at least Tuesday before expecting a reply (the car's
not painted yet!).



Jim King

Smoky Mountain Model Works, Inc.

www.smokymountainmodelworks.com

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