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Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Douglas Harding
 

Tim there was a vinegar production facility on the north side of Rogers,
Ark. along side the Frisco tracks. It was torn down a few years ago in the
name of progress. But they had very large wooden vertical slat tanks along
the tracks. Also remember seeing what I could call very large (use with a
forklift) apple crates stacked outside the building. Pictures were taken,
but for a friend who was interested in vinegar plants at that time. I do not
have the photos, sorry.

From: www.rogersarkansas.com
In the late 1800s and early 1900s, orchards surrounded Rogers. Along the
railroad tracks were produce houses, apple evaporators where apples were
sliced and dried, and an enormous apple-cider-vinegar plant. ..... By the
1920s, Rogers had grown to over 3,000 residents. The Apple Blossom
Festivals, held each spring from 1923 through 1927, attracted thousands of
people to Rogers to see the floats, tour the orchards in bloom, and see the
Apple Blossom Queen crowned. But year after year bad weather plagued the
events. The apple industry itself also was in decline since disease and
insects had begun to wreak havoc in the orchards. The festival ended, and
soon poultry replaced apples as the main agricultural product.

It apparently was a Speas Vinegar plant:
http://www.speasvinegar.com/olgregory/ This site has a few historic photos.


Doug Harding
Iowa Central Railroad
www.iowacentralrr.org

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CRGX tank cars

Eric Mumper <eric.mumper@...>
 

Group,

Was wondering if anybody had any pictures of the CRGX series of tank
cars. This reporting mark started life as Cushing Refining and Gas
and became Midland Cooperative by the time of the waybill that was
found. They are 8000 gallon cars. Waybills are neat because one of
them shows CRGX 653 from Cushing, Ok to Owens Illinois Glass company
in Streator, Ill. in August of 1954 containg 8107 Gallons PET Residual
Fuel Oil. It is an MKT bill routed through Kansas City via CB&Q.

Eric Mumper


ADMIN: Re: Re: Pennsy, Arrogance . . . JUST STOP IT!

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Charley Hepperle writes about the Pennsy Arrogance [ ? ] thread:

"Please, end this thread.

I joined this group to read about steam era freight cars."

I would remind the members of the STMFC rules:

"The purpose of the group is to discuss all aspects of North American
standard gauge freight cars of the steam era [ 1900-1960 ]. The objectives
include the sharing of
information about railroad freight cars including their operation, cargos,
distribution and the various techniques of building
models of them. Emphasis is to be placed on the study of the prototype with
a goal of producing models of them with as great a degree of accuracy as
possible."

Certainly that includes discussions about the practices or theories of various RR mechanical depts and the ARA/AAR.

More importantly, there is the STMFC rule:

"ALL SUBJECTS OTHER THAN THOSE DIRECTLY ASSOCIATED WITH STEAM ERA FREIGHT
CARS ARE PROHIBITED FROM MEMBER MESSAGES. Thus, all
admin, security, or "policing" functions will be conducted only by myself or
my representatives. Warnings about virus activity is strictly
prohibited. Threads or subjects may be terminated only by myself or my
representatives. When threads/subjects are terminated, members are expected
to avoid sending messages associated with such threads/subjects."

Hence, while Charley is certainly welcome to his opinion about the Pennsy arrogance thread, and should voice it to me or Jeff Aley directly, he is not welcome to express it on the STMFC.

With respect to any thread, when the various messages begin to add nothing to the issue, STMFC mgt will likely terminate the thread. Therefore, given that that situation has not now occurred, the thread regarding Pennsy "arrogance [ as perceived by some ] is NOT terminated. In fact...I might add something to it myself <G>.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: L&N Pulpwood Cars in 1950

chapbob@...
 

Matt --
Prior to buying the standardized GSC pulpwood cars in 1951, L&N "rolled their
own" pulpwood cars in their own shops, rebuilding boxcars, ventilated
boxcars, fruit cars, gondolas, coke cars, and just about anything else. This led to
an interesting and diverse fleet; some cars retained the corrugated ends of the
house cars they were derived from, while others received new slat-ends of
various styles, some braced outside and others braced inside of the ends. If you
were to look at a string of these cars, seemingly no two would be alike.

I know of no kits for these cars. You may want to keep an eye on Sunshine
Models, who occasionally releases a pulpwood car for one of the other roads;
maybe you can find something that will be close enough.

Bob Chapman



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L&N Pulpwood Cars in 1950

matt
 

Hi there,

Does anyone have any info on the type of Pulpwood Cars the L&N were
using in 1950.

I know that they bought GSC Pulpwood Racks in 1951 but I am interested
in what they were using in 1950?

Can anyone suggest available models?

thanks

MATT


Re: Pennsy, Arrogance . . . JUST STOP IT!

Charles
 

Please, end this thread.

I joined this group to read about steam era freight cars.

Don't respond to this. Please, just stop.

Regards,
Charley Hepperle


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Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Jay Bingham <j.bingham@...>
 


That would be Van De Camp, which had a huge bakery there, as
well as a restaurant on San Fernando Road, delightfully close to the
SP
main. I remember the Heinz building, which looked more like a
warehouse to me than a manufacturing facility. Does anyone know more?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history

Not much other than one of my law partners handled Van de Camp's
Chapter 11 bankruptcy in the 90s. Basically the assets were sold in an
orderly fashion including the name.

Jay Bingham
Pacific Palisades,CA


Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Thanks Tony and Paul,

I don't recall seeing it, although I must have driven by it many many times!

Peter
====


Paul wrote:

Peter and Tony:

The Heinz facility was just RR East of Van De Camp's. Like Tony I think it
was a warehouse not a manufacturing plant.

Paul C. Koehler

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Anthony Thompson
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Peter J. McClosky wrote:
Los Angeles had a Heinz plant just north (RR West) of Taylor yard, on
the Coast line.

The junction of the 2 and 5 freeways is just about at the location of
the plant. When I left Los Angeles (in 2005) You could still see some
of the track in the ground in the "Vandy Camp" (sp?) site, as you got
on the 2 westbound, from San Fernando road.
That would be Van De Camp, which had a huge bakery there, as
well as a restaurant on San Fernando Road, delightfully close to the SP
main. I remember the Heinz building, which looked more like a
warehouse to me than a manufacturing facility. Does anyone know more?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history



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Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Paul <buygone@...>
 

Peter and Tony:



The Heinz facility was just RR East of Van De Camp's. Like Tony I think it
was a warehouse not a manufacturing plant.



Paul C. Koehler



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Anthony Thompson
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Heinz Vinegar Cars.



Peter J. McClosky wrote:
Los Angeles had a Heinz plant just north (RR West) of Taylor yard, on
the Coast line.

The junction of the 2 and 5 freeways is just about at the location of
the plant. When I left Los Angeles (in 2005) You could still see some
of the track in the ground in the "Vandy Camp" (sp?) site, as you got
on the 2 westbound, from San Fernando road.
That would be Van De Camp, which had a huge bakery there, as
well as a restaurant on San Fernando Road, delightfully close to the SP
main. I remember the Heinz building, which looked more like a
warehouse to me than a manufacturing facility. Does anyone know more?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturep
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> ress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


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Ed Hawkins
 

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Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Jim & Lisa Hayes <jimandlisa97225@...>
 

Back in the late '50s I spent one Summer working in a vinegar factory in St.
Paul. Summer was a time for shipping not manufacturing. In addition to
bottled vinegar, we did bulk shipping in barrels. A boxcar full of used
whiskey barrels was received, unloaded (the fumes were enough to get you
drunk inside that boxcar on a hot Summer day), steam cleaned (my job),
filled, and shipped by truck.



Jim Hayes

Portland Oregon


Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Peter J. McClosky wrote:
Los Angeles had a Heinz plant just north (RR West) of Taylor yard, on the Coast line.

The junction of the 2 and 5 freeways is just about at the location of the plant. When I left Los Angeles (in 2005) You could still see some of the track in the ground in the "Vandy Camp" (sp?) site, as you got on the 2 westbound, from San Fernando road.
That would be Van De Camp, which had a huge bakery there, as well as a restaurant on San Fernando Road, delightfully close to the SP main. I remember the Heinz building, which looked more like a warehouse to me than a manufacturing facility. Does anyone know more?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Tim O'Connor
 

I would think vinegar is made wherever grapes or apples are abundant.
I would like to know more about vinegar production -- what raw materials
were used, how they were received, and where the tank cars of vinegar
went. Vinegar is a huge commodity, but I suspect most markets must have
been within trucking distance of production facilities. Or perhaps most
vinegar was simply shipped in ordinary tank cars, or bottled and sent
in box cars? (There are modern day food processors in my area that get
freight car loads of oil, vinegar, and starches for production of salad
dressings, mayonaisse, etc.)

Tim O'Connor

Richard writes:

As of 1950, Heinz rostered 24 vinegar tank cars, not a large fleet but one
that traveled widely (there are photos of them in west coast locations like
Los Angeles and Oakland), since carload lots of vinegar were delivered to
large food processors in many parts of the country. Cars of similar design were
also operated by other food companies, e.g. Standard Brands.

Allen Cain has summarized the available models. The AHM plastic model was
lame ­ a clumsy stand-in at best.
Richard Hendrickson

I have a Stan Townsend photo of a vinegar car in Salem, OR (no the SP side
of town) dated July 1971. Old and weary but a nice example of this car class
albeit beyond the scope of this list.

Greg Martin


Underground Railway Press

ed_mines
 

How many other steam era freight car drawings do they offer? Is the
Heinz car from a magazine? My recollection is that there was a drawing
of a vinegar car in the RMC planbook.

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Frank Pearsall <plans@...> wrote:
The Underground Railway Press has a 1/4" drawing of the Heinz Vinegar
Tank Car. The date on the drawing is May 7, 1941. It is Plan Set No.
HJH-2, priced at $4.00 plus $2.50 p&h.

I have some 1/4" freight car drawings originating from the '40s - a
couple from Monarch Models and a couple from Ed Wissweiser. Maybe these
drawings were more popular years ago. The drawings are actually blue
prints.

Ed


Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Frank Pearsall
 

The Underground Railway Press has a 1/4" drawing of the Heinz Vinegar Tank Car. The date on the drawing is May 7, 1941. It is Plan Set No. HJH-2, priced at $4.00 plus $2.50 p&h. Send to:

The Underground Railway Press
PO Box 814
Brevard, NC 28712-0814



Frank A. Pearsall

On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:40 AM, tgregmrtn@aol.com wrote:


I have a Stan Townsend photo of a vinegar car in Salem, OR (no the SP side
of town) dated July 1971.
Greg Martin


Re: Heinz Vinegar Cars.

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

tgregmrtn@aol.com wrote:


Richard writes:

As of 1950, Heinz rostered 24 vinegar tank cars, not a large fleet but
one
that traveled widely (there are photos of them in west coast locations
like
Los Angeles and Oakland), since carload lots of vinegar were delivered to
large food processors in many parts of the country. Cars of similar
design were
also operated by other food companies, e.g. Standard Brands.


.
Los Angeles had a Heinz plant just north (RR West) of Taylor yard, on
the Coast
line.

The junction of the 2 and 5 freeways is just about at the location of
the plant.
When I left Los Angeles (in 2005) You could still see some of the track
in the
ground in the "Vandy Camp" (sp?) site, as you got on the 2 westbound, from
San Fernando road.

I do not know when the plant was closed, or what the plant was used to make.

Peter

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Re: HO-Trucks on PSC Frameless Tankcar Kit?

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

Jon wrote:
A quick search of Walthers and others show these out of stock and
availability unknown. So I'm guessing they are out of business
or at least have not produced any product for some time. The Walthers
listing shows
"all" their products out of stock!

The line appears to now be owned by Bethlehem Car Works:

http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com/Products/On-Trak/ho_scale.html

I don't know if they have them in stock but they do list them on their
website. They also have what appears to be some of the old Red Ball
Line of
trucks under Kit Bits.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com
On-Track is still in business, as far as I know, but has been
concentrating on HO scale motor vehicles for some time now. Not sure
if listing the parts on the Bethlehem Car Works web site reflects a
change of ownership of those parts, or just a marketing agreement.
However, a quick Google search turned up this site with contact info
for On-Trak:

http://www.1-87vehicles.org/directory/on_trak.php

The link to the On-Trak web page is 404, but there's a phone number.

A word of caution; use free minutes. Any call to On-Trak is good for
at least an hour. Must not be many people to talk to in Walnut :-)

Dennis


Re: Billboard Reefers

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Richard Hendrickson wrote:
Ah, but Tim, the Chateau Martin cars WERE T class cars, specifically
class TG, "tank car having one or more glass lined containers."
The post-war ORER I have says they were all XT and BMT cars. CLass TG was for conventional tank cars which happened to have glass linings, not for box car bodies with internal tanks.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: mystery reefer car model

birdbiz2003 <birdbiz2003@...>
 

I had not even viewed this group in a few months. Thank you for
directing me to the billboard boxcar thread. contact me offgroup and
I will tell you what photos I need. Thank you for your help

Sincerely,

Tyler Turpin

North American was one of the most aggressive car lessors in the
late
1920s and early 1930s who leased small lots of cars to small
shippers
(sometimes only one or two cars) and applied billboard advertising
to
them. The NADX 4000 series cars were 40' steel underframe reefers
built by the Pressed Steel Car Co. in January, 1928. If you've
been
following the discussion on the list about billboard reefers, you
already know that such billboard advertising was outlawed by the
ICC in
1934 and entirely phased out by 1938. How accurate the model may
be is
anyone's guess, but I can provide you with photos of other NADX
4000
series cars if you're able to receive large JPEG files.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: Billboard Reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Mar 25, 2007, at 6:26 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

....excepting "trade marks" would seemingly cover a lot of
what is usually considering to be advertising. Like Tony's example of
the
Chateau Martin cars (which were not T or L) bearing 40 foot slogans,
e.g.

"For Good-ness Sake ... drink Chateau Martin Wines"
Ah, but Tim, the Chateau Martin cars WERE T class cars, specifically
class TG, "tank car having one or more glass lined containers."
Remember, these were former milk cars, i.e., express reefers with tanks
for bulk milk shipments, which Chateau Martin purchased second hand for
shipments of bulk wine.

Richard Hendrickson

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