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Re: question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs - Wrong ques...

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, guycwilber@... wrote:

Malcolm asked:

1. When were the rules changed so that truss rods alone would not
do ? --

2. At what time were strength requirements for underframes increase
to the
extent that the additional support provided by truss rods became
irrelevant.

January 1, 1927

Kind Regards,

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI
There was another reason for retaining truss rods on cars retrofitted
with steel underframes; the truss rods held the end sills on. In
traditional wood carbuilding, the side, intermediate, and center sills
all had tenons on their ends that fit in mortises cut in the end sill.
The truss rods, running continuously between the two end sills, drew
them together tightly, this keeping the whole frame together. In
retrofits where the wood side and end sills were retained, something
still had to pull the end sills in to keep the wood framing together.
While straight tie rods running parallel to the sills would have
worked, some roads simply chose to retain the original truss rods. The
Soo Line caboose fleet was done like this, with the new steel frames
having queen posts riveted to the steel crossbearers. Thus, one could
still see truss rod cars on the Soo Line in 1970.

Dennis


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

coronadoscalemodels
 

Rather than Google, if one would just search the STMFC archives, you
will find my orginal posting on this car and model. For those who do
not know how to search, this is what my post #35128 from Oct. 21,
2004 said:

Re: King patent underframe

The best known example of a freight car with a King underframe is
the Illinois River Packet Co. No. 201 boxcar. Plans and construction
article for this car appeared in the Nov. 1959 issue of Model
Railroader, starting on page 32. I recently scratchbuilt this car in
P:48 using this article, in addition to added information found in
The Car Builders Dictionary. In the 1906 Edition, Fig. 4 shows a
side view of the Illinois River No. 201. Fig. 309-310 has a scale
drawing of the King underframe flatcar. Fig. 951 has a view of the
flatcar, taken from the top, before the decking was installed. In the
1909 Edition, the same views and plans are shown in Fig. 4, 368-369
and 1032.

I'm sure John Chapp, who did the MR article and plan, must have used
this same information.

Listings in the Equipment Registers showed the Illinois River Packet
Co. having 4 boxcars, No. 201-204. But only No. 201 and 203 were
listed with composite underframes. The other two were listed as wood
underframes.

I have not found out who had bought the flatcar shown in The Car
Builder's Dictionary. I hope someone else will be able to supply more
information.

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

Charles Morrill
 

There are photos of Stan Schwedler's excellent model of the Illinois River Packet box car on the P48 Modeler site.

www.proto48.org/p48_photos_schwedler_01.htm

Charlie

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul & Bernice Hillman" <chris_hillman@msn.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:23 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: An unusual car needs identification!


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Howard R Garner <cascaderail@...> wrote:

"Illinois River Packet is a 1900 period car.
Model Railroader had plans and a construction actical in the 50's or
60's on this.
Walthers made decals in HO and O/

I cannot get to the photos so will not comment on the model."

Howard Garner
***********************************************************************
The MR Illinois River Packet article was in:

November 1959, Pgs. 32-38

Built 1903.

Paul Hillman




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Re: SP-50-6 numbers in '51...now SP-50-6 numbers in '53

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Mike Brock...illustrating the proper use of the subject line...then screws it up by putting the wrong year in it...apparently confusing the number of cars with the year. I'm interested in 1953. Three will do nicely. Thanks.

Mike Brock


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

Paul Hillman
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Howard R Garner <cascaderail@...> wrote:

"Illinois River Packet is a 1900 period car.
Model Railroader had plans and a construction actical in the 50's or
60's on this.
Walthers made decals in HO and O/

I cannot get to the photos so will not comment on the model."

Howard Garner
***********************************************************************
The MR Illinois River Packet article was in:

November 1959, Pgs. 32-38

Built 1903.

Paul Hillman


SP-50-6 numbers in '51

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Tony Thompson wrote about the SP-50-6 numbers in '51:

Not hard. Do you want all 51 or just a few to choose from? Latter is of course easier.

I need 3.

Mike Brock


Re: SP A-50-6 AB Brakes

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Mike Brock wrote:
I'm really more interested in 1953 than 1950. The ORER for that yr shows 51 cars still on the roster but, unfortunately, no individual numbers are listed. If you happen to have easy access to the those surviving numbers in '53, that would be appreciated. If not, don't worry about it.
Not hard. Do you want all 51 or just a few to choose from? Latter is of course easier.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Prototype Modeller's meet in Toronto - April 14

r1ddell <jriddell@...>
 

Hello All:

For those who might be interested, the annual Southern Ontario
Prototype Modeller's meet will be held at Humber College in Toronto,
ON on 14 April, 2007.

More information is available at the following web-site.

http://pages.interlog.com/~acwelch/Railway_Prototype_Modeller_Toronto_Me
et.html

Hope to see you there.

Al Welch


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

jthirtysix
 

Stan Schwedler of Coronado Scale Models has a beautiful scratch built
P:48 model of this car built from plans by John Clapp in an old Model
Railroader. I remember it being a 36 foot truss rod car. I think he
had it at Naperville last year, check for photos. Your MDC car is no
way close also most [some] of these were warped and would not fit
correctly if at all. James Hickey

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "espeeac12" <milesinniles@...> wrote:

All,

I just purchased this obscure metal kit, already assembled and decaled
by somebody else.
-Does anybody have an Idea as to the manufacturer of this kit?
-Secondly, can you provide any information on the Ill. River Packet
Co.?
-Thirdly, how long did these survive on the Rails?
-What type of boxcar is this?
-Lastly, does anybody know where I can find a photo of the real car?



Excellent photos

Jerry Breon
 

There are many excellent steam-era freight car photos mixed in with some equally interesting period photos at the following site:

http://www.shorpy.com/node<http://www.shorpy.com/node>

Jerry Breon
Mooresville, NC


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

earlyrail
 

11a. An unusual car needs identification!
Posted by: "espeeac12" milesinniles@gmail.com espeeac12
Date: Sat Mar 31, 2007 10:27 am ((PDT))

All,

I just purchased this obscure metal kit, already assembled and decaled by somebody else. -Does anybody have an Idea as to the manufacturer of this kit? -Secondly, can you provide any information on the Ill. River Packet Co.? -Thirdly, how long did these survive on the Rails?
-What type of boxcar is this?
-Lastly, does anybody know where I can find a photo of the real car?

Here's a link (with photos to the car) http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/1080548/ShowPost.aspx#1080548
I've already searched all over the internet and turned up empty-handed.
-Miles
Illinois River Packet is a 1900 period car.
Model Railroader had plans and a construction actical in the 50's or 60's on this.
Walthers made decals in HO and O/

I cannot get to the photos so will not comment on the model.

Howard Garner


Pennsy X28A Roof

Paul Lyons
 

List,

I am starting to put a Sunshine Pennsy X28A together and have acouple of questions regarding the roof.

Whenever possible, I like to use a plastic roof in lieu of the resin roof that comes with the Sunshine kits. If my understanding of the prototype is correct the X28A's were constructed essentially the same as X29's and I should therefore be able to use the Red Caboose X29 plastic roof. Is this a valid assumption?

My second question is what is the relationship of the roof edge to the side of the car. On an X29 the roof clearly sits in from the side several inches. Based on that, I would have thought the X28A would have a similiar inset. However, the La Rue photo of #123456 in the kit Prototype Data Sheet seems to show the roof "flush" with the side.

Any help clarifying these roof issues would be greatly appreicated.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA


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Re: Postwar freight car book

Paul Lyons
 

Bill, We have already had a post a couple of weeks ago from someone stating they bought the last copy from Karen's Books.

Paul Lyons
Laguna Niguel, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: billdgoat@bellsouth.net
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 3:36 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Postwar freight car book


I just got a copy of a catalog from Karen's Books. They are advertising
a copy of the above book by kline & Culotta for "only" $59.95.
Their phone number is 1-760-736-9288.
If interested I'd suggest making a fast call. the ad doesn't say how
many copies they had when the catalog was printed. Hopefully, they
still have some in stock.
Bill Williams



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Postwar freight car book

bill_d_goat
 

I just got a copy of a catalog from Karen's Books. They are advertising
a copy of the above book by kline & Culotta for "only" $59.95.
Their phone number is 1-760-736-9288.
If interested I'd suggest making a fast call. the ad doesn't say how
many copies they had when the catalog was printed. Hopefully, they
still have some in stock.
Bill Williams


BREX (Burlington Express Reefer) question.

George Courtney
 

Ed & Rich,
The photo was taken on 5/17/1958. In S scale the scheme is available
in a 40 footer rather than 50 footer. Really appreicate the info.
Thanks,
George Courtney


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I had one too plus a Suncoast Models version. Obviously, the prorotype has always been a favorite of mine. - Al Westerfield

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Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] An unusual car needs identification!


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Miles,
It is a MDC kit. I had a few of those in may dark, collecting days. I believe it is a model of a Santa Fe car.
You can look on Westerfield's web site to see what the car should look like. His model is a little more accurate.

Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] An unusual car needs identification!

All,

I just purchased this obscure metal kit, already assembled and decaled
by somebody else.
-Does anybody have an Idea as to the manufacturer of this kit?
-Secondly, can you provide any information on the Ill. River Packet
Co.?
-Thirdly, how long did these survive on the Rails?
-What type of boxcar is this?
-Lastly, does anybody know where I can find a photo of the real car?

Here's a link (with photos to the car)
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/1080548/ShowPost.aspx#1080548

I've already searched all over the internet and turned up empty-handed.

-Miles






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Re: An unusual car needs identification!

Rob & Bev Manley
 

Miles,
It is a MDC kit. I had a few of those in may dark, collecting days. I believe it is a model of a Santa Fe car.
You can look on Westerfield's web site to see what the car should look like. His model is a little more accurate.

Rob Manley

----- Original Message -----
From: espeeac12
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] An unusual car needs identification!


All,

I just purchased this obscure metal kit, already assembled and decaled
by somebody else.
-Does anybody have an Idea as to the manufacturer of this kit?
-Secondly, can you provide any information on the Ill. River Packet
Co.?
-Thirdly, how long did these survive on the Rails?
-What type of boxcar is this?
-Lastly, does anybody know where I can find a photo of the real car?

Here's a link (with photos to the car)
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/1080548/ShowPost.aspx#1080548

I've already searched all over the internet and turned up empty-handed.

-Miles


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Looks to me like a early MDC (cast) attempt at a ATSF Bx3. It has been painted and poorly decaled. The only correct lettering on this car is ATSF.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


An unusual car needs identification!

espeeac12 <milesinniles@...>
 

All,

I just purchased this obscure metal kit, already assembled and decaled
by somebody else.
-Does anybody have an Idea as to the manufacturer of this kit?
-Secondly, can you provide any information on the Ill. River Packet
Co.?
-Thirdly, how long did these survive on the Rails?
-What type of boxcar is this?
-Lastly, does anybody know where I can find a photo of the real car?

Here's a link (with photos to the car)
http://www.trains.com/TRC/CS/forums/1080548/ShowPost.aspx#1080548

I've already searched all over the internet and turned up empty-handed.

-Miles


ESPEE A-50-10 Fifty Foot End Door Boxcar

gary laakso
 

I located my Oriental Ltd imported of this model and since it has working end doors, what color should the interior be? Am I correct to assume the metal sides in 1930 would have been wood lined inside? Secondly, any suggestions for decals?


gary laakso
sout of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net

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