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Miner Draft Gear Brochure

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Here is an illustrated 32-page brochure on draft gear from Miner
Enterprises, Inc., formerly known as W. H. Miner, Inc. This company
has supplied the railroad industry with components since the late
1800s. There is a lot of history in the brochure.

Here is the link:

Short link version: http://tinyurl.com/34pr6j

Long link version:
http://www.minerent.com/pdf/The%20Amazing%20Story%20Of%20The%20Miner%
20Tandem%20Spring%20Draft%20Rigging.pdf

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA


Re: Pennsy X28A Roof

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Paul Lyons asked:
"I am starting to put a Sunshine Pennsy X28A together and have a
couple of questions regarding the roof.

Whenever possible, I like to use a plastic roof in lieu of the resin
roof that comes with the Sunshine kits. If my understanding of the
prototype is correct the X28A's were constructed essentially the
same as X29's and I should therefore be able to use the Red Caboose
X29 plastic roof. Is this a valid assumption?"

Yes.

"My second question is what is the relationship of the roof edge to
the side of the car. On an X29 the roof clearly sits in from the side
several inches. Based on that, I would have thought the X28A would
have a similiar inset. However, the La Rue photo of #123456 in the
kit Prototype Data Sheet seems to show the roof "flush" with the
side."

The X28/X28A roof is NOT "flush" with the side, but inset as on Class
X29. The Class X28A equipment diagram clearly shows the edge of the
roof inset from the sides; this is corroborated by this high angle
photo:
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/shot%20of%
20mo/shotofmoapr02.html

Additional 3/4 view builders photos of Class X28 also show this
feature. See my article in the June 2005 issue of The Keystone
Modeler for more information.


Ben Hom


Re: Reefer Door Nomenclature

Bob Chaparro <thecitrusbelt@...>
 

Rupert-

I think you have supplied a very practical solution to the original
question I had. It works for me.

Bob Chaparro
Mission Viejo/Hemet, CA

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Rupert & Maureen" <gamlenz@...> wrote:

Andy

In ignorance of official terminology, I've used "hinged plug"
and "sliding plug". It may not be very technically orientated but it
works for me!

Rupert Gamlen
Auckland NZ


Re: Postwar Freight Car Book, 2nd printing

T Mossbeck <trains@...>
 

Mr. Thompson,

Thank you for your input. You clearly have a lot of experience in the
publishing field and we are grateful for your advice. We have already
talked with dealers and gotten some very positive feedback. Obviously
the sales rate from the first printing was good because it sold out
relatively quickly. There is no doubt there is a demand for more
copies; we're just trying to gauge how big that number is, and pre-
orders are good since they represent actual commitments
(rather than promises). Yes, they do not indicate eventual sales, but
they are still a useful part of the equation. Thanks again for your
comments.

Sincerely,
Tom Mossbeck

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
Tony Thompson wrote:
Most publishers look at sales rate of the first printing, and
feedback from dealers. Pre-orders are quite variable and in my
experience not a very reliable indicator of eventual sales.


Re: Postwar Freight Car Book, 2nd printing

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Mossbeck wrote:
The NMRA is considering a second run of the popular Postwar Freight Car Fleet, but it is dependent on the number of pre-orders placed . . .
Most publishers look at sales rate of the first printing, and feedback from dealers. Pre-orders are quite variable and in my experience not a very reliable indicator of eventual sales.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Postwar Freight Car Book, 2nd printing

T Mossbeck <trains@...>
 

Cheers,

Yes, this will be a re-print (or, second run, if you will) of the
book to make it available to those who did not get one the first time
around (or those already bought one and wants another). As mentioned,
the printing is contingent on pre-orders so let the staff know if you
want one. Phone 423-892-2846, fax 423-899-4869, email hq@hq.nmra.org.

Sincerely,

Tom Mossbeck
Research Associate
NMRA/Kalmbach Memorial Library
(Sorry, I left out the full disclosure in the initial post)

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Barrybennetttoo@... wrote:
[snip]
Are you planning to re-print?

Cheers

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England


Re: Postwar Freight Car Book, 2nd printing

Lawrence Rast
 

Tom,

Your message is very timely. Yesterday I began composing a message to NMRA
requesting that they consider reprinting the volume. I strongly suggest
that they seriously consider doing so.

I'll send that note along today.

Best,
Lawrence Rast

On 4/2/07, T Mossbeck <trains@mossbeck.net> wrote:

Hello,

The NMRA is considering a second run of the popular Postwar Freight Car
Fleet, but it is dependent on the number of pre-orders placed. In
other words, if only 50 people request a copy of the book then the NMRA
will probably not do it. If 250 do, it is likely they will. To place
your pre-order, call the HQ at 423-892-2846, or email hq@hq.nmra.org<hq%40hq.nmra.org>,

or watch the website www.nmra.org for an announcement soon.

Sincerely,

Tom Mossbeck



Off-list HO freight car kits

Stephen Bishop
 

I am thinning out my collection a bit and have 6 steam-era HO kits available for purchase. Please contact me offline if interested.

Steve Bishop
superlab2003@yahoo.com


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Postwar Freight Car Book, 2nd printing

T Mossbeck <trains@...>
 

Hello,

The NMRA is considering a second run of the popular Postwar Freight Car
Fleet, but it is dependent on the number of pre-orders placed. In
other words, if only 50 people request a copy of the book then the NMRA
will probably not do it. If 250 do, it is likely they will. To place
your pre-order, call the HQ at 423-892-2846, or email hq@hq.nmra.org,
or watch the website www.nmra.org for an announcement soon.

Sincerely,

Tom Mossbeck


Re: Postwar Freight Car Book, 2nd printing

Barrybennetttoo@...
 

Hiya

I was a bit miffed to miss out on the above book, as by the time we were
aware of publication here in the UK, they were all gone to pre-order and to
dealers.

Are you planning to re-print?

Cheers

Barry Bennett
Coventry, England


Re: Pennsy X28A Roof

Rich C
 

Bob,

I was looking at Robert Schoenberg's excellent site
and eyeballed both box cars. They were 3/4 builders
photos taken from the same angle and it appears the
roofs are the same, if not exact.

Here is the link to his site:

http://prr.railfan.net/freight/index.html

Hope this helps,
Rich Christie

--- rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@indy.rr.com> wrote:

Paul Lyons wrote:

List,

I am starting to put a Sunshine Pennsy X28A
together and have
acouple of questions regarding the roof.

Whenever possible, I like to use a plastic roof
in lieu of the
resin roof that comes with the Sunshine kits. If my
understanding of
the prototype is correct the X28A's were
constructed essentially the
same as X29's and I should therefore be able to use
the Red Caboose
X29 plastic roof. Is this a valid assumption?


For the as-built verson the Red Caboose roof should
work as the inside
width were the same for both classes. These cars
were very similar to
the B&O Class M-27 also available from Sunshine.


My second question is what is the relationship of
the roof edge to
the side of the car. On an X29 the roof clearly sits
in from the side
several inches. Based on that, I would have thought
the X28A would
have a similiar inset. However, the La Rue photo of
#123456 in the kit
Prototype Data Sheet seems to show the roof "flush"
with the side.
I have no information indicating that these cars
were rebuilt with new
roofs. Hopefully a Pennsy person can respond to
this question.

Bob Witt, Indianapolis, Indiana




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Re: Pennsy X28A Roof

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Paul Lyons wrote:

List,

I am starting to put a Sunshine Pennsy X28A together and have
acouple of questions regarding the roof.

Whenever possible, I like to use a plastic roof in lieu of the
resin roof that comes with the Sunshine kits. If my understanding of
the prototype is correct the X28A's were constructed essentially the
same as X29's and I should therefore be able to use the Red Caboose
X29 plastic roof. Is this a valid assumption?


For the as-built verson the Red Caboose roof should work as the inside
width were the same for both classes. These cars were very similar to
the B&O Class M-27 also available from Sunshine.


My second question is what is the relationship of the roof edge to
the side of the car. On an X29 the roof clearly sits in from the side
several inches. Based on that, I would have thought the X28A would
have a similiar inset. However, the La Rue photo of #123456 in the kit
Prototype Data Sheet seems to show the roof "flush" with the side.
I have no information indicating that these cars were rebuilt with new
roofs. Hopefully a Pennsy person can respond to this question.

Bob Witt, Indianapolis, Indiana


Re: Sunshine List

Lawrence Rast
 

Oh, and thanks to Jim Hayes as well. That is a rather amazing piece of work
he has put together!

Best,
Lawrence Rast

On 4/1/07, Rob Adams <steamera@netins.net> wrote:

Hi Lawrence;

Take a look now. I've got it fixed. I'm in the process of applying
some updates and fixing broken links. Sorry about that! My thanks to
Jim Hayes for sending the updated version.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Lawrence Rast wrote:

The sunshine page seems to be down on the steam freight cars website.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf
<
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf


Any idea when it will be up?

Best,
Lawrence Rast

--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net <steamera%40netins.net>
Modeling the CB&Q RR's Keokuk & Western branch,
along with connecting Wabash and CRI&P operations, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com <http://www.keokukandwesternrr.com/>>



Re: Sunshine List

Lawrence Rast
 

Excellent! Many thanks, Rob.

Best,
Lawrence Rast

On 4/1/07, Rob Adams <steamera@netins.net> wrote:

Hi Lawrence;

Take a look now. I've got it fixed. I'm in the process of applying
some updates and fixing broken links. Sorry about that! My thanks to
Jim Hayes for sending the updated version.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Lawrence Rast wrote:

The sunshine page seems to be down on the steam freight cars website.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf
<
http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf


Any idea when it will be up?

Best,
Lawrence Rast

--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net <steamera%40netins.net>
Modeling the CB&Q RR's Keokuk & Western branch,
along with connecting Wabash and CRI&P operations, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com <http://www.keokukandwesternrr.com/>>



Steam Freight Cars Web site - Call for calendar items

Rob Adams
 

Ted Culotta arranged for more disk space and I'm working on some updates to the Steam Freight Cars Web Site. One project is to get the calendar updated to reflect upcoming 2007 and 2008 events. Please send me your Prototype Modeling events off-list. Thanks in advance.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling the CB&Q RR's Keokuk & Western branch, along with connecting Wabash and CRI&P operations, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Re: Sunshine List

Steve Haas
 

Lawrence Rast wrote:

"The sunshine page seems to be down on the steam freight cars website.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits0703
11.pdf

Any idea when it will be up?"

It's up even as we speak.

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Re: Sunshine List

Rob Adams
 

Hi Lawrence;

Take a look now. I've got it fixed. I'm in the process of applying some updates and fixing broken links. Sorry about that! My thanks to Jim Hayes for sending the updated version.

Kind regards, Rob Adams

Lawrence Rast wrote:


The sunshine page seems to be down on the steam freight cars website.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf <http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf>

Any idea when it will be up?

Best,
Lawrence Rast

--
Rob Adams
Wellman, IA
steamera@netins.net
Modeling the CB&Q RR's Keokuk & Western branch, along with connecting Wabash and CRI&P operations, circa 1938
<http://www.KeokukandWesternRR.com>


Sunshine List

Lawrence Rast
 

The sunshine page seems to be down on the steam freight cars website.

http://www.steamfreightcars.com/modeling/new%20products/sunshine/sunkits070311.pdf

Any idea when it will be up?

Best,
Lawrence Rast


Re: question about truss rods and brake wheel staffs - Wrong ques...

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, guycwilber@... wrote:

Malcolm asked:

1. When were the rules changed so that truss rods alone would not
do ? --

2. At what time were strength requirements for underframes increase
to the
extent that the additional support provided by truss rods became
irrelevant.

January 1, 1927

Kind Regards,

Guy Wilber
West Bend, WI
There was another reason for retaining truss rods on cars retrofitted
with steel underframes; the truss rods held the end sills on. In
traditional wood carbuilding, the side, intermediate, and center sills
all had tenons on their ends that fit in mortises cut in the end sill.
The truss rods, running continuously between the two end sills, drew
them together tightly, this keeping the whole frame together. In
retrofits where the wood side and end sills were retained, something
still had to pull the end sills in to keep the wood framing together.
While straight tie rods running parallel to the sills would have
worked, some roads simply chose to retain the original truss rods. The
Soo Line caboose fleet was done like this, with the new steel frames
having queen posts riveted to the steel crossbearers. Thus, one could
still see truss rod cars on the Soo Line in 1970.

Dennis


Re: An unusual car needs identification!

coronadoscalemodels
 

Rather than Google, if one would just search the STMFC archives, you
will find my orginal posting on this car and model. For those who do
not know how to search, this is what my post #35128 from Oct. 21,
2004 said:

Re: King patent underframe

The best known example of a freight car with a King underframe is
the Illinois River Packet Co. No. 201 boxcar. Plans and construction
article for this car appeared in the Nov. 1959 issue of Model
Railroader, starting on page 32. I recently scratchbuilt this car in
P:48 using this article, in addition to added information found in
The Car Builders Dictionary. In the 1906 Edition, Fig. 4 shows a
side view of the Illinois River No. 201. Fig. 309-310 has a scale
drawing of the King underframe flatcar. Fig. 951 has a view of the
flatcar, taken from the top, before the decking was installed. In the
1909 Edition, the same views and plans are shown in Fig. 4, 368-369
and 1032.

I'm sure John Chapp, who did the MR article and plan, must have used
this same information.

Listings in the Equipment Registers showed the Illinois River Packet
Co. having 4 boxcars, No. 201-204. But only No. 201 and 203 were
listed with composite underframes. The other two were listed as wood
underframes.

I have not found out who had bought the flatcar shown in The Car
Builder's Dictionary. I hope someone else will be able to supply more
information.

Stan Schwedler
Coronado Scale Models

127181 - 127200 of 188615