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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Tim O'Connor
 

larry

good point, as always. i guess i shouldn't talk about my plutonium
lab either... you never know who may be listening! even though i only
use the enriched plutonium to weight down my freight cars. really!

tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: ljack70117@...
I do not think I would joke about having a Meth lab. Some nut on here
will take you at your word, turn you in and they will locate where
you live and raid you. I would hate to see them smash open all you RR
models looking for your stash.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Tim O'Connor
 

were these cars ever done by Al Westerfield?

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
On Apr 10, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

In the ongoing discussion of the forthcoming New York Central cars,
I somehow missed any mention of just which boxcars we're talking
about. Does anyone have an idea of what NYC lot numbers these
boxcars will fall into?
They're the Spec. 486 cars adapted from the USRA standard steel box car
design (which was never built for the USRA). The models will represent
the cars built for the NYC between 1922 and 1927 with 7-8 corrugated
ends and either three-panel or corrugated doors. See my RMJ article
for a list of lot numbers and the NYC subsidiaries to which the cars
were originally assigned.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 10, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

In the ongoing discussion of the forthcoming New York Central cars,
I somehow missed any mention of just which boxcars we're talking
about. Does anyone have an idea of what NYC lot numbers these
boxcars will fall into?
They're the Spec. 486 cars adapted from the USRA standard steel box car
design (which was never built for the USRA). The models will represent
the cars built for the NYC between 1922 and 1927 with 7-8 corrugated
ends and either three-panel or corrugated doors. See my RMJ article
for a list of lot numbers and the NYC subsidiaries to which the cars
were originally assigned.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: South Buffalo

 

White lettering is completely incorrect. When I worked at K-Val Hobbies in
Buffalo we had Third Rail Graphics do three runs of South Buffalo hoppers,
total of nine road numbers. We used an Athearn car. We also used official
South Buffalo Ry painting and lettering diagrams and drawings that we obtained
directly from the engineering people in Bethlehem, Pa. I handled all the
phone calls and correspondence between K-Val and Bethlehem Steel. Somewhere I
still have the drawings that came from Bethlehem. I can state categorically
that the material direct from the company specified an yellow color for the
lettering.



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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Charlie Vlk
 

Tim-
Could you mention the brand (again?)
Charlie Vlk



I also bought a small bottle of black nail polish someone recommended.
It is supposed to stick like crazy to delrin and other slippery plastics. In
some cases these are the only things that need to be 'primed'. Failing
that, I grit blast the delrin parts.


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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

ljack70117@...
 

I do not think I would joke about having a Meth lab. Some nut on here will take you at your word, turn you in and they will locate where you live and raid you. I would hate to see them smash open all you RR models looking for your stash.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Apr 10, 2007, at 2:11 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:


dang! i put the used-up baking soda and alum oxide in the garden
to keep the slugs off the marijuana plants! now what am I gonna do?
next thing you know i'll have to take down the meth lab...

Tim "crack modeler" O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...>
The world is getting really stupid.
Using Baking Soda as an enviromentally sensitive abrasive on concrete????
Well, according to the news last night we won't even have that much longer....
a State Senator in Missouri is proposing restrictions on the sale of baking soda
because (as he thinks everybody should know) baking soda is a key component
in the creation of crack-cocaine.
I don't recall voting for the repeal of Darwin's Law.....
better get over to Harbor Freight and buy up aluminium oxide while you can get
it....
maybe let your wife go over to the grocery store while your doing that so you
can
get enough baking soda to keep your refrig smelling sweet too.....
Charlie Vlk


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Looking for info on W&R NP Truss Rod Boxcar

ogdentowebercanyon
 

I saw that W&R Enterprises imported NP truss rod boxcars at one time.
I am looking for some prototype info on the the car if anyone has one
or knows about them. What year where they in revenue service? What
paint scheme in 1947 and does anyone make the right decals for the
car? Thanks in advance.

Jason Sanford


New BRANCHLINE NC&StL & SP&S RTR 40' boxcars & Others

Andy Carlson
 

I have received some new assembled cars from branchline trains.

NC&StL 40' "Dixieland" yellow stripers, built 1957. Have 4 #'s .......$20.00 ea BL#114224 delivery scheme
SP&S 40' Billboard SPS initials, reweigh 1966 have 4#'s.............$20.00 ea BL#190134

Below is a list of remaining RTR cars.

ALL Assembled, ready to run freight cars. All are brand new, and are unopened new stock with no hobby store labels affixed. All prices are less shipping. If interested, contact me off-list (Please) at <midcentury@...>



BRANCHLINE 114122 Blt. 5-47 Georgia 40' AAR 6' SD boxcar, delivery scheme boxcar red, white lettering.....one remaining..................$20.00
BRANCHLINE 120063 Blt. 1957 Milwaukee riveted 50' AAR 9' SD boxcar, boxcar red, white lettering "The Milwaukee Road" del scheme have 1...$20.00
BRANCHLINE 110063 Blt. 1959 Texas & Pacific 50' AAR 8' SD boxcar, delivery scheme boxcar red, white lettering...........have 3.............$20.00
BRANCHLINE 112174 Blt. 1929 Chicago & Northwestern 40' ACF Reefer NWX reweigh 2-56 scheme Yellow & Green...............have 1....$21.00
BRANCHLINE 112134 Blt. 1929 Milwaukee URTX 40' ACF Wood Reefer 2-46 reweigh scheme..........................have 1....................$21.00
Same, reweigh 5-52.....................have 1....................$21.00

RED CABOOSE RR 38075 Blt. 3-45 Central of Georgia '37 AAR boxcar reweigh-8-47.............................have 2#'s.........................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38092 Blt. 7-40 Pittsburgh & Lake Erie '37 AAR boxcar 5-57 reweigh Black cigar band Billboard lettering.....have 3.......$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR38070 Blt. 1941 New Haven Black w/ orange door '37 AAR boxcar, reweigh 8-55............have 4.................................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38066 Blt 1940 LS&I '37 AAR boxcar, reweigh 10-51 boxcar red "Lake Superior & Ishpeming"......................................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 38009 Blt. 8-38 Canadian Pacific Square Corner '37 AAR boxcar, "Spans the World" 9-47 scheme.....have 4.............$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 37160 Blt. 7-29 Maine Central ARA (X29) 40' boxcar, Green "Pine Tree" 2-54 scheme.........have 4...............................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 31002 reweigh 8-45 Mather Meat Refrigerator M.U.N.X. Orange body, red ends/roof, black hardware....................$16.00
RED CABOOSE RR 31001 reweigh 4-44 Mather Meat Refrigerator M.R.R.X.
with "refrigerator" spelled out ..........................................$16.00

INTERMOUNTAIN 49006 Pennsylvania Powered EMD F-7A (ph 1) loco # 9779 Brunswick Green with single stripe......have 2 different #'s...............$55.00
INTERMOUNTAIN same, but F-7B unit, have 2 #'s................$50.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 48401 Blt. 7-57 Armour PCX steel ART Reefer w/ Universal brakes, and horizontal rivet strip 1/2 way up car side...Have 4.....$16.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 48402 Blt. 7-57 Rock Island URTX steel ART reefer w/ Universal brakes, and horizontal rivet strip, reweigh 11-65 have 4...$16.00
INTERMOUNTAIN 48403 Blt. 6-54 URTX "Raskin Packing Co" steel ART reefer w/ horizontal rivet strip, and universal brakes 6-68 reweigh...........$16.00

LIFE LIKE Blt. 3-44 GM&O 50 ton War Emergency Composite Hopper, black scheme reweigh 5-48..........have 3............................................$12.00
LIFE LIKE Blt. 2-46 GTW 50' SD AAR boxcar w/ green maple leaf herald, reweigh 6-57..............................................................................$16.00

Thanks,
-Andy Carlson <midcentury@...>
Ojai CA


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Tim O'Connor
 

dang! i put the used-up baking soda and alum oxide in the garden
to keep the slugs off the marijuana plants! now what am I gonna do?
next thing you know i'll have to take down the meth lab...

Tim "crack modeler" O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...>
The world is getting really stupid.
Using Baking Soda as an enviromentally sensitive abrasive on concrete????
Well, according to the news last night we won't even have that much longer....
a State Senator in Missouri is proposing restrictions on the sale of baking soda
because (as he thinks everybody should know) baking soda is a key component
in the creation of crack-cocaine.
I don't recall voting for the repeal of Darwin's Law.....
better get over to Harbor Freight and buy up aluminium oxide while you can get
it....
maybe let your wife go over to the grocery store while your doing that so you
can
get enough baking soda to keep your refrig smelling sweet too.....
Charlie Vlk


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

I am hoping for a 3rd release which might be single deck
cars (without the cast deck supports)<

What I find strange about BLI (others also) is that they seem unwilling (cost of tooling?) to make changes to the molds for a different release that then might sell when the market for 2nd and 3rd releases is done. Is it because they don't own the molds and the owner think that some years in the future they might be able to run the molds again or they are just wore out.

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Charlie Vlk
 

The world is getting really stupid.
Using Baking Soda as an enviromentally sensitive abrasive on concrete????
Well, according to the news last night we won't even have that much longer....
a State Senator in Missouri is proposing restrictions on the sale of baking soda
because (as he thinks everybody should know) baking soda is a key component
in the creation of crack-cocaine.
I don't recall voting for the repeal of Darwin's Law.....
better get over to Harbor Freight and buy up aluminium oxide while you can get it....
maybe let your wife go over to the grocery store while your doing that so you can
get enough baking soda to keep your refrig smelling sweet too.....
Charlie Vlk


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Tim O'Connor
 

Accupaint Primer is a different formulation than their regular paint,
which is necessary to adhere to brass and helps with resin too. I have
used Accupaint over other paints used as primers too, but one has to
be careful about compatibility. The AP Primer is only available in light
gray. AP sticks to styrene likes nobody's business, however. (Probably
because the thinner contains MEK.) Also the AP Primer does not bleed
through the overcoat, unlike regular AP colors which will blend when
one is laid over another. (Sometimes this is good, sometimes not.)

I also bought a small bottle of black nail polish someone recommended.
It is supposed to stick like crazy to delrin and other slippery plastics. In
some cases these are the only things that need to be 'primed'. Failing
that, I grit blast the delrin parts.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Denny Anspach wrote:
My current understanding is that virtually all, if not all of the
"primer" paints available to us as modelers are nothing more than
just another color or formulation of ordinary paint.


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Shawn Beckert
 

List,

In the ongoing discussion of the forthcoming New York Central cars,
I somehow missed any mention of just which boxcars we're talking
about. Does anyone have an idea of what NYC lot numbers these
boxcars will fall into?

Thanks,

Shawn Beckert


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

SUVCWORR@...
 

Yes.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: ed_mines@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:45 AM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?


--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:
I think Richard got the names a little mixed up as keeping track of
these things is not easy, given the structure of the companies (see
next sentence.) Sun is a company that does consulting, primarily to
BLI/PCM/Factory Direct, who we all know sells through dealers and
direct. These NYC cars will be offered, I think, by Precision Craft
when they are released.
Are these the companies that sell or sold PRR stock cars and N&W
hoppers?

Ed




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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

SUVCWORR@...
 

Larry,

I have no doubt what you are saying is correct. The EPA would prohibit the use of Aluminium oxide for an outdoor cleaning where the object and the surface beneath the object are not enclosed by scaffolding covered with an impervious material. The grit being collected and recycled without any offsite migration of the grit or the paint. It was impractical to enclose the Statute of Liberty or a concrete walkway, thus the use of Aluminum Oxide would be prohibited. Your error is in taking this very well defined restriction and extrapolating it to all uses of aluminum oxide. It just isn't so. Using AO in a booth or other enclosure is not restricted in any manner and with proper preparation, it can be used outdoors. Just need to meet all the regulations and jump through all the hoops. Standing in your garage blasting rust off an old lawn mower blade is acceptable as long as the doors and windows are closed. The garage is containment and the only person you are potentially harming is yourself. Just make sure you claen up all the grit. Preferably with a vacuum.

While I do not work for the EPA, the government agency for which I do work is responsible for enforcing the Air Quality regulations locally.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: ljack70117@...
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting


The EPA made the company doing the Statue of Liberty use Baking soda.
Of course you can buy Aluminum Oxide because it is used for things
other than blasting but they do not come into your home and stop you
from hurting yourself. I talk to the company that did our condo
( because I am a director on the board) It can not be used by them.
The directives are out there from the EPA.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:28 AM, Don Burn wrote:

Larry,

When was the EPA rule? My wife is a glass artist and still gets
aluminum oxide for her blasting?

Don Burn

----- Original Message -----
From: <ljack70117@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting


EPA will not allow the use of the Aluminum Oxide any more. The Statue
of Liberty was done with Baking soda. The work done on our walks in
our condo assoc. was also done with baking soda.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@...
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left




On Apr 10, 2007, at 7:54 AM, James F. Brewer wrote:

I currently use Aluminum Oxide; I've purchased a bag of Baking
Soda, per the suggestion of another list member, and intend to try
it out eventually.

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD

----- Original Message -----
From: radius158
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 9:32 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting


What material do you sand balst with ? thankd dg

--- In STMFC@..., "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...>
wrote:

Doug,

This is one of those topics that everyone will have a slightly
differing opinion and approach.

I routinely grit blast my resin models, wash them and let them air
dry before spraying a grey primer on them. For plastic kits, if
I've
made a lot of modifications (i.e. filled holes, added rivets,
removed
rivets, repair surface defects, etc.) I still usually give these
cars
a light grit blasting; if it is a car that really didn't require
those types of modifications, I have been wiping them down with a
cotton ball soaked in isopropyl alcohol; I then let the car air
dry,
and apply a grey paint to them. I think the grey paint will give
your finish coat a better "color."

Regardless, I always grit blast the plastic trucks; you can mask
off the holes for the axles, or otherwise plug them to prevent the
grit from getting in there; I usually just blast the truck, as is,
then put them in a jar of water with a drop of detergent and stick
that in my ultrasonic cleaner. This usually gets all the grit
out of
those tiny areas and recesses on the trucks; I then use the tool
sold
by ReBoxx to ream out the axle bearing holes. I think grit
blasting
the plastic trucks gives a great weathered look for our steam era
freight cars.

YMMV

Jim Brewer
Glenwood MD
----- Original Message -----
From: radius158
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:23 PM
Subject: [STMFC] preparation of styrene kits for painting


Is there a reason to 1)sandblast a styrene kit before painting or
2) prime a styrene kit if it is already grey ???? such as an
intermountain kit
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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:37 AM, Denny Anspach wrote:

My current understanding is that virtually all, if not all of the
"primer" paints available to us as modelers are nothing more than
just another color or formulation of ordinary paint. However, I note
that some, most, or all (??) listers are still reporting that they
are still applying a "primer" coat prior to any "finishing" coats of
paint. Now, I can understand why on occasion I might like to apply a
nice gray coat of primer- 1) to better enable a transition to a
lighter color finish coat without paint buildup; or 2) to make it
easier to physically handle a model prior to any finish coating,
but-- what else?

Although I have not looked lately, Scalecoat has specifically noted
that with the use of their paints, no primer is necessary- and I have
followed their advice in this regard successfully for some time.

I'll second Denny's observations here. The best primer is a base coat
of the color the model is to be painted. That's been my experience
with solvent-based paints like Scale Coat and Testor's Modelmaster.
YMMV, of course, particularly if you're using water-based paints, with
which I have little experience (all of it negative).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 10, 2007, at 5:57 AM, Ted Culotta wrote:

I think Richard got the names a little mixed up as keeping track of
these things is not easy, given the structure of the companies (see
next sentence.) Sun is a company that does consulting, primarily to
BLI/PCM/Factory Direct, who we all know sells through dealers and
direct. These NYC cars will be offered, I think, by Precision Craft
when they are released. As Richard intimated, this project has been
going for some time now. BLI/PCM had some other more pressing things
on their collective plate so this ended up on the back burner for
awhile.
All correct, and thanks for the clarification, Ted. I've never been
able to keep all those guys straight in my head.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Bruce Smith
 

On Apr 10, 2007, at 9:45 AM, ed_mines wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:
I think Richard got the names a little mixed up as keeping track of
these things is not easy, given the structure of the companies (see
next sentence.) Sun is a company that does consulting, primarily to
BLI/PCM/Factory Direct, who we all know sells through dealers and
direct. These NYC cars will be offered, I think, by Precision Craft
when they are released.
Are these the companies that sell or sold PRR stock cars and N&W
hoppers?

Ed
Ed,

Yes. They have also announced a PRR (and N&W) H32 covered hopper (but that project may be stalled due to poor reservations). Given that the BLI web site now rolls into the PCM web site, and that neither the stock cars nor the hoppers are listed there, one wonders about their futures. The stock cars did have 2 releases in PRR with the second one having a number of improvements including better trucks. I am hoping for a 3rd release which might be single deck cars (without the cast deck supports)

Regards
Bruce

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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Denny Anspach <danspach@...>
 

My current understanding is that virtually all, if not all of the "primer" paints available to us as modelers are nothing more than just another color or formulation of ordinary paint. However, I note that some, most, or all (??) listers are still reporting that they are still applying a "primer" coat prior to any "finishing" coats of paint. Now, I can understand why on occasion I might like to apply a nice gray coat of primer- 1) to better enable a transition to a lighter color finish coat without paint buildup; or 2) to make it easier to physically handle a model prior to any finish coating, but-- what else?

Although I have not looked lately, Scalecoat has specifically noted that with the use of their paints, no primer is necessary- and I have followed their advice in this regard successfully for some time.

Denny
--
Denny S. Anspach, MD
Sacramento


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

ed_mines
 

--- In STMFC@..., Ted Culotta <tculotta@...> wrote:
I think Richard got the names a little mixed up as keeping track of
these things is not easy, given the structure of the companies (see
next sentence.) Sun is a company that does consulting, primarily to
BLI/PCM/Factory Direct, who we all know sells through dealers and
direct. These NYC cars will be offered, I think, by Precision Craft
when they are released.
Are these the companies that sell or sold PRR stock cars and N&W
hoppers?

Ed

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