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Re: NYC Pacemaker boxcar

 

A truly accurate of the famous NYC red and grey Pacemaker boxcar would sell
too. I think that the closest model might still be the old metal Athearn
which at least had a 3/4 end on it. Somewhere I have one of those. I don't
think Kadee makes the correct PS-1 version for a Pacemaker car. Living here in
the Buffalo area we saw those things all the time in all sorts of trains.



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Re: primer

Marcelo Lordeiro <mrcustom@...>
 

Have you ever tryed Gunze Sanguyo products ?

Mr. SURFACER 1000 is one of the best primers availble for palstic . Must be used with Mr. THINNER.
It is a light gray color.

Marcelo

----- Original Message -----
From: ed_mines
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: [STMFC] primer


Many model railroad paints reefer yellow, caboose red.....) had poor
hiding power on black polystyrene (the black showed through and made
the color appear much darker). A layer of grey floquil primer allowed a
much thinner coating of problem colors to be applied.

I recall the white Accupaint had surprising hiding power and dried very
quickly, allowing thin layers of caboose red and Conrail blue to be
sprayed with very little time in between.

I used to strip and repaint factory painted cars and found silver paint
as primer beneath some factory painted models (MDC?). I used this on
occasion as primer.

Ed






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primer

ed_mines
 

Many model railroad paints reefer yellow, caboose red.....) had poor
hiding power on black polystyrene (the black showed through and made
the color appear much darker). A layer of grey floquil primer allowed a
much thinner coating of problem colors to be applied.

I recall the white Accupaint had surprising hiding power and dried very
quickly, allowing thin layers of caboose red and Conrail blue to be
sprayed with very little time in between.

I used to strip and repaint factory painted cars and found silver paint
as primer beneath some factory painted models (MDC?). I used this on
occasion as primer.

Ed


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

rwitt_2000 <rmwitt@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:


We do need more NYC cars,... What I'd love to see are the
rebuilds with new roofs etc. that were seen in the 50's and 60's.
In Richard's introduction to these NYC USRA clone box cars that he
wrote a few years ago, he stated that the NYC replaced the original
roofs with Murphy rectangular and after 1948 diagonal panel roofs.
Did the NYC retain the ZU-eave roof design on the rebuilt roofs?

Bob Witt, Indianapolis, Indiana


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Tim;

Those would be super additions! We are currently dominated by the 1945-55
set, and we have had little either in the way of later rebuilds or new
post-55 cars, for any road. I would second that request.



There are dozens of cars the NYC and P&LE rostered that no one has ever
touched. I don't understand, as they would sure be welcome.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:14 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?




We do need more NYC cars, but as Richard said Al Westerfield
already did these original cars. What I'd love to see are the
rebuilds with new roofs etc. that were seen in the 50's and 60's.

Tim O'Connor

At 4/11/2007 10:45 AM Wednesday, you wrote:
It would be great if they bring this to fruition, as we have sorely needed
more NYC System cars for a long time. Thanks for pursuing this.
Elden Gatwood


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

jerryglow2
 

It depends on the color. I painted (mostly brass) for 10 years and
used Scalecoat almost exclusively. I found it necessary to prime
(light gray) when the color coat was to be yellow or most reds.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...>
wrote:


I'll second Denny's observations here. The best primer is a base
coat
of the color the model is to be painted. That's been my experience
with solvent-based paints like Scale Coat and Testor's
Modelmaster.
YMMV, of course, particularly if you're using water-based paints,
with
which I have little experience (all of it negative).

Richard Hendrickson


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

John F. Cizmar
 

Sorry, I missread your post.
John

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


i've never tried spraying it.

At 4/11/2007 09:28 AM Wednesday, you wrote:
Tim,
What solvent did you use to thin it for spraying?
John Cizmar





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Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Tim O'Connor
 

We do need more NYC cars, but as Richard said Al Westerfield
already did these original cars. What I'd love to see are the
rebuilds with new roofs etc. that were seen in the 50's and 60's.

Tim O'Connor

At 4/11/2007 10:45 AM Wednesday, you wrote:
It would be great if they bring this to fruition, as we have sorely needed
more NYC System cars for a long time. Thanks for pursuing this.
Elden Gatwood


Re: SFRB Boxcar

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 10, 2007, at 8:13 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

SFRB 6400-6549 built 1958 Pullman-Standard, class Rr-59....
The doors were originally yellow or white, I'm not sure which.
The doors on SFRBs were Santa Fe reefer yellow-orange.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: South Buffalo

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Whew!



Thanks, Ed. You are the man.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ed
Hawkins
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:32 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] South Buffalo




On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

You guys are right! Has anyone informed Kadee? They may still have
time to
correct it before they get printed.
Elden,
I notified Sam Clarke last night.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

It would be great if they bring this to fruition, as we have sorely needed
more NYC System cars for a long time. Thanks for pursuing this.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:39 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?



On Apr 10, 2007, at 9:45 AM, Beckert, Shawn wrote:

In the ongoing discussion of the forthcoming New York Central cars,
I somehow missed any mention of just which boxcars we're talking
about. Does anyone have an idea of what NYC lot numbers these
boxcars will fall into?
They're the Spec. 486 cars adapted from the USRA standard steel box car
design (which was never built for the USRA). The models will represent
the cars built for the NYC between 1922 and 1927 with 7-8 corrugated
ends and either three-panel or corrugated doors. See my RMJ article
for a list of lot numbers and the NYC subsidiaries to which the cars
were originally assigned.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: South Buffalo

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:16 AM, Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

You guys are right! Has anyone informed Kadee? They may still have
time to
correct it before they get printed.
Elden,
I notified Sam Clarke last night.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Tim O'Connor
 

i've never tried spraying it.

At 4/11/2007 09:28 AM Wednesday, you wrote:
Tim,
What solvent did you use to thin it for spraying?
John Cizmar


Re: South Buffalo

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

You guys are right! Has anyone informed Kadee? They may still have time to
correct it before they get printed.



Elden Gatwood



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Terry
Link
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:24 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] South Buffalo



Kadee announced they are releasing the 2 bay offset hopper in South Buffalo
stock #7024 - ( was hoping they would do this road). Problem is, the
lettering on the model is white.

Any South Buffalo car I've seen has always had yellow lettering.

Does anyone know if there were any cars painted white lettering ?

Terry Link
Bramalea, Ontario, Canada
trlink@... <mailto:trlink%40canadasouthern.com>
www.canadasouthern.com


Re: SFRB Boxcar

up4024 <thekays100@...>
 

Thanks to all for the info. I am thinking Intermountain with a plug
door from Branchline or somebody and leave it at that.

The third truck in the middle is no problem--I put those on all my
cars for extra tracking!

Steve Kay

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Steve

SFRB 6400-6549 built 1958 Pullman-Standard, class Rr-59

No kit, but a kitbash -- PS ZU-eave roof from Athearn NACC box car
kit (undec), PS-1 ends from Intermountain, riveted 16 panel box car
body with 8' plug door from Branchline, plus Plano running board
(Morton pattern??) and Branchline underframe and scale Accumates
w/ draft gear. Trucks may be ASF-3 (Kato or Kadee) but not sure.
Decals Microscale 87-506 (also check out 87-264 or 87-267).

Builder photo, SFRB 6460, page 170 of "The Great Yellow Fleet"
Photo shows car lettered for Super Chief, so be sure to match your
model's reporting marks with known use of a slogan! :-)

The doors were originally yellow or white, I'm not sure which.

Tim O'Connor


At 4/10/2007 10:29 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Can anyone make a suggestion as to a kit that would be accurate for
this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/sfrb6490l.jpg

Thanks
Steve Kay


Re: SFRB Boxcar

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

You will have to kitbash the off-center , third truck. ;-)


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
up4024
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:29 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] SFRB Boxcar

Can anyone make a suggestion as to a kit that would be accurate for
this:

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/sfrb6490l.jpg

Thanks

Steve Kay




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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

John F. Cizmar
 

Tim,
What solvent did you use to thin it for spraying?
John Cizmar

Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

Charlie here is the original message. This is the brand I bought.
I found it at a local pharmacy or Walmart, one or the other.
Tim O'Connor

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I think I may have found something that seems to stick to the
Delrin type plastic. After using it on some parts we put some on sheet
plastic and it seemed to be pretty firm.
It was black finger nail polich called Sally Hansen, Hard as Nails,
Xtreme Wear and labeled Black Out. It was purchased at an Ulta store.
It was also available in Silver and White plus many other colors. Most
likely other brands may be similar in durability.
We even spray painted over the coating and that seemed to also adhere.
It wasn't too expensive so shop around in that type department and give
something a try on grabs, trucks etc. Jim Elliot
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At 4/10/2007 03:28 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim-
Could you mention the brand (again?)
Charlie Vlk


I also bought a small bottle of black nail polish someone recommended.
It is supposed to stick like crazy to delrin and other slippery plastics. In
some cases these are the only things that need to be 'primed'. Failing
that, I grit blast the delrin parts.





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Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

James Eckman
 

When I'm scratchbuilding I always rough up all of my styrene surfaces to one degree or another because I use them to represent wood. I use anything from a scotchbrite pad to 36 grit sandpaper. I don't find I have to prime or airbrush to get even coats. I drybrush my models with multiple coats of cheap craft paints, other people seem to like the results and I like them too. Follow this up with acrylic ink stains and Bragdon's weather powders to taste.

You can use the same techniques to a certain degree on resin.

I was recently complemented on my airbrush technique. Maybe I should buy one ;)

http://pcrnmra.org/coast/contest/2007_March_Images/2007_Mar_Model_Contest_MOW_2nd_Jim_Eckman_On30_Ballast_Spreader_1.jpg
http://www.pcrnmra.org/coast/contest/2007_March_Images/2007_Mar_Model_Contest_Freight_Car_1st_Jim_Eckman_On30_AMR_Boxcar.jpg

Jim


Re: preparation of styrene kits for painting

Tim O'Connor
 

Charlie here is the original message. This is the brand I bought.
I found it at a local pharmacy or Walmart, one or the other.
Tim O'Connor

---------------------------------------------------------------
I think I may have found something that seems to stick to the
Delrin type plastic. After using it on some parts we put some on sheet
plastic and it seemed to be pretty firm.
It was black finger nail polich called Sally Hansen, Hard as Nails,
Xtreme Wear and labeled Black Out. It was purchased at an Ulta store.
It was also available in Silver and White plus many other colors. Most
likely other brands may be similar in durability.
We even spray painted over the coating and that seemed to also adhere.
It wasn't too expensive so shop around in that type department and give
something a try on grabs, trucks etc. Jim Elliot
-------------------------------------------------------



At 4/10/2007 03:28 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Tim-
Could you mention the brand (again?)
Charlie Vlk


I also bought a small bottle of black nail polish someone recommended.
It is supposed to stick like crazy to delrin and other slippery plastics. In
some cases these are the only things that need to be 'primed'. Failing
that, I grit blast the delrin parts.


Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

Actually, the dreadnaught end model is currently out of production. - Al Westerfield

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Hendrickson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: NYC Steel Boxcars, New Models?


On Apr 10, 2007, at 12:48 PM, timboconnor@... wrote:

> were these cars ever done by Al Westerfield?

Yes, and Al also offers kits for the later Spec. 486 cars with
Dreadnaught ends.

Richard Hendrickson

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