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Re: PFE 12, R-30-2-13 / hooks on side sill

Bill Kelly
 

Guy,
The can hanging on SP 5 is way to clean to be used for oil.
I got the name from a retired D&RGW engineer. Later the name was
confirmed by Fred Picker in his book _Railroading in Texas_. He
says:"...A device sometimes seen was the Keeley can, a water container to
be wired in dripping position over a hot axle bearing." he went on to say
" I remember the Keeley can because my father was said to have enrolled
for a course at the Keeley Institute in Indiana, a place well-known for
the 'water cure'." The can used the same idea as the small valves and
hoses over each journal on Vanderbuilt tenders. I have never seen
anything "official" about the use of water but I would think that the
water was just for cooling because the crew carried oil and tools for
repacking bearings.

Later,
Bill
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Re: PFE 12, R-30-2-13 / hooks on side sill

thompson@...
 

I was out of town when this interesting thread erupted. Bill Kelly's
answer sounds good to me. But the contention that early cars did not have
spring-loaded journal box lids is, I think, not supportable. The 1906 Car
Builders' Dictionary shows several brands of such lids. Of course not all
railroads may have installed same; but they certainly did exist.

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Re: Re-sided Wabash Automobile Box Car

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "skunkskunk2001" <fwj@m...> wrote:
Chet and all:

The discussion on Wabash single sheath automobile box cars got me
to
thinking about one I photographed in the Wolcottville, Indiana
Gravel Pit about 1974. A second look revealed that it had been re-
sided with sheet metal.

Victor,

In 1935, Decatur shop had a program to replace wood sides with steel
on cars in the 45400 - 46001 series. These cars had 5/5/6 corrugated
ends and wood or steel doors. Some of these cars were widened by 2
inches in 1939 and had a 1 placed in front of the number putting them
in the 145000 series.

Chet French


Re: PFE 12, R-30-2-13 / hooks on side sill

webercanyon <webercanyon@...>
 

In the book "Three Barrels of Steam" there is a photo of a UP 5090 4-
10-2, and the author makes a reference to "keelies" being used to
cool
the journals of the tender truck bearings when they ran hot.


Re: PFE 12, R-30-2-13 / hooks on side sill

Bill Kelly
 

These hooks were called "Hot Box Cooler Hooks". They were on SP's cars
built from about 1912 till around 1942 or so. They were also on UP's cars
and probably other Harriman influenced cars. They are called by this name
when shown on car drawings. The cooler was a small water tank and hose.
These coolers were nicknamed "keelies" maybe for someone named Keely, the
inventor? For an example of one in use see _Railroad Model Craftsman_
March 1995, page 14. The photo is of SP caboose number 5 with a keely on
the hooks above the front truck. There's no doubt that people found many
other uses for these hooks but the hot box cooler was the intended use.

Later,
Bill Kelly


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Re: PFE 12, R-30-2-13 / hooks on side sill

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 2/27/02 7:30:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, wbkelly@...
writes:

<< These hooks were called "Hot Box Cooler Hooks". They were on SP's cars
built from about 1912 till around 1942 or so. They were also on UP's cars
and probably other Harriman influenced cars. They are called by this name
when shown on car drawings. The cooler was a small water tank and hose.
These coolers were nicknamed "keelies" maybe for someone named Keely >>

Bill,

Weren't keelies used for adding lubricants to the journal box? Or, were they
strictly used with water for cooling? Did the water run over the box or what?

Thanks for the clarification and I apologize for my mis-leading information
regarding the use of the hooks. I have heard many talk about the hooks as I
describe, and am discovering (more and more) those opinions to be a lousy
source.

Kindest Regards,

Guy Wilber
Sparks, Nevada

PS The only photos that I have seen with the cans in place are those of SP
cabooses. Most are upon cabooses still equipped with arch bar trucks.


Re: ORER / CBC list

Ian Cranstone
 

In a message dated 2/26/02 7:49:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
davemartens@... writes:

<< A while ago, I found a page that listed various ORERs and
CBCs that people owned. Anyone know where that website is? >>
and Guy Wilber noted:

http://www.magi.com/~lamontc/fclorer.html
It's still there, but won't be there for long -- just as soon as magi.com
realizes that I'm a little annoyed with their service and don't plan to
renew... well, you can guess the rest.

The more current version can be found at:

http://members.rogers.com/iancranstone2001/fclorer.html

--
Ian Cranstone
Kanata, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...


Re: PFE 12, R-30-2-13 / hooks on side sill

Roger J Miener <Roger.Miener@...>
 

Guy Wilber responds ...

The hooks were available to hold the journal box lids open for
service and/or
a "hotbox". A cord, rope or wire was strung between the lid and the
sill
hook.
Well I'll be darned. I, like Larry Jackman, have never seen a journal
box lid that wasn't sprung to stay open when that was desired. I now
wonder if other freightcars of that vintage might have been fitted
with these hooks and that I have just never noticed. I also wonder
who the bright bulb was who came up with the idea of the over-center
spring arrangement that kept journal box lids snapped firmly closed or
open - as the case may be.

The hooks are still present on the R. H. McFarland photo of 36171
(ca. 1937).

Prodded by your comment and aided by a bright light, I took another
look and, sure enough, the hooks are there.

Unless Tony Thompson has more to add on this subject, I suppose that
Guy's response has taken Tony off the hook.

Roger Miener
at Tacoma WA


Re: Re-sided Wabash Automobile Box Car-correction

skunkskunk2001 <fwj@...>
 

Sorry about the duplicate post. The photo is in the photo section.
Victor Baird


Re-sided Wabash Automobile Box Car

skunkskunk2001 <fwj@...>
 

Chet and all:

The discussion on Wabash single sheath automobile box cars got me to
thinking about one I photographed in the Wolcottville, Indiana
Gravel Pit about 1974. A second look revealed that it had been re-
sided with sheet metal. (I uploaded the image to the file section.)
How many of these cars were re-sided like this and when was it done?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


ORER / CBC list

davemartens <davemartens@...>
 

Hi,

A while ago, I found a page that listed various ORERs and
CBCs that people owned. Anyone know where that website is?

thanks
Dave


Resided Wabash Box Car

skunkskunk2001 <fwj@...>
 

Chet and all:

The recent discussion of Wabash single sheath box cars got me to
thinking about one I photographed in the gravel pit at Wolcottville,
Indiana in 1974. A second look revealed that it has been resided
with sheet metal like some on other roads. I loaded the image in the
file section. Was this a common practice with these box cars on the
Wabash and when did they reside them?

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: ORER / CBC list

Guy Wilber
 

In a message dated 2/26/02 7:49:55 PM Pacific Standard Time,
davemartens@... writes:

<< A while ago, I found a page that listed various ORERs and
CBCs that people owned. Anyone know where that website is? >>

http://www.magi.com/~lamontc/fclorer.html


Clear Resin Casting--a little off topic but...

skunkskunk2001 <fwj@...>
 

This is a little off topic, but I figured a few of you have had more
than the usual experience with detail parts and resin casting.

I'd like to cast some clear numberboards for my Highliner F units. It
seems that they are great kits but the number boards are not made for
illumination. I'd think making a duplicate casing in clear resin or
other material would be easiser than drilling out the boards or
finding another number board that would fit the nose contour. Is
there such a material?

Thanks in advance.
Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: NH 1937 box cars

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Tim O'Connor" <timoconnor@m...> wrote:

Chet, the New Haven cars were 30000-32999 inclusive. The first
1,000 were built by PSC, the others by PS. I think the roster info
can be found on Ted's web site.

Be careful about those Wabash cars -- some of them were postwar
cars with 3/4 improved dreadnaught ends, e.g. WAB #60207. I don't
know if that's an ex-NH car or not...
Tim,

Records show the cars purchased from the NH in 1962. The Wabash must
have renumbered them randomly as the 60004 shows a built date of 10-
44 with 3/4 IDE's and the 60507 also built in 10-44 with 4/5 ends.
The NJI&I also received 300 cars numbered 1400 - 1699. Most photos I
have of the cars are with 4/5 ends.

Chet French


Re: Wabash box car photos

cef39us <cfrench@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., "Tim O'Connor" <timoconnor@m...> wrote:

There are several excellent shots of ancient Wabash
box cars here --

http://gelwood.railfan.net/other/wab/wab-x194egs.jpg
I also photographed the five Ex-Wabash cars in Noblesville in July
2001. They were located at the south part of town on the old NKP.
One is also in the Indiana Railroad museum north of town which they
may be repainting. Cars included 17179 (end door), 47619, 17???,
47181 and 47194. The 47947 is at the museum in Monticello, Ill. I
believe the cars survived because they spent many years on the Alcoa
property in Lafayette, Ind. being used for storage and moving
material between buildings. I took over two dozen detail photos of
the cars. The Jan. 1958 ORER shows 2335 cars including 578 cars in
the 47000 - 47999 series. 272 of the end door cars in the 17000 -
17299 series were listed. By Jan 1964, only ten cars remained in all
series plus 21 of the end door 17000 series cars which were assigned
to aluminum pipe loading.

As Richard H. mentioned, the cars were still being used in the late
1950's, into the early 60's. One car at Noblesville had an IDT date
of LA 6-18-62 ATSF RY. The car at Monticello had a date of 8-28-59
ATSF KC.

Chet French


Re: Wabash box car kits from F&C

skunkskunk2001 <fwj@...>
 

--- In STMFC@y..., Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@y...> wrote:
They aren't finished yet, either.
Hopefully, they're making the masters for the stock cars too that
were built from these cars. Wishful thinking on my part. :(

Victor Baird
Fort Wayne, Indiana


Re: Wabash box car kits from F&C

Ted Culotta <ted_culotta@...>
 

They aren't finished yet, either.

Ted

--- Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...> wrote:

Thanks, Bill. I'll work on my F&C "wish list" for
the next
time I see Steve at Naperville or Springfield. Do
you know
if he did upgraded castings for the USRA double
sheathed
rebuilds?

At 05:53 AM 2/26/02 -0500, you wrote:
Tim:

Th F&C variations represent versions with and
without end doors and
wood and steel side doors. To the best of my
knowledge, the kits are
among several not currently in production as Steve
is re-doing patterns.
I built one of the early kits and ended up not
using the ends that came
with the kit but ends from some of his other kits
with better
representations of the correct ends, so I think
waiting for upgraded
casting will be worth it.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts


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Re: PRR G26

Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D. <smithbf@...>
 

Ted,

Wow! Thanks!!! Now the cursing under my breath is the fact that the
location of the lettering is different from the G26 on Rob S' site
http://prr.railfan.net/photos/PRR_439048_G26_34view.jpg - note the repack
stencil blt date and class are all shifted right one panel on car 440687.

Happy Rails
Bruce

--- "Bruce F. Smith V.M.D., Ph.D."
<smithbf@...> wrote:
Morning y'all,

I am trying to figure out a suitable number for a
PRR G26 (65'6") mill gon
with National B1 trucks.
440687 - http://www.steamfreightcars.com/gallery/gon/prrgon/prr440687main.html

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Re: Wabash box car kits from F&C

Tim O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
 

Thanks, Bill. I'll work on my F&C "wish list" for the next
time I see Steve at Naperville or Springfield. Do you know
if he did upgraded castings for the USRA double sheathed
rebuilds?

At 05:53 AM 2/26/02 -0500, you wrote:
Tim:

Th F&C variations represent versions with and without end doors and
wood and steel side doors. To the best of my knowledge, the kits are
among several not currently in production as Steve is re-doing patterns.
I built one of the early kits and ended up not using the ends that came
with the kit but ends from some of his other kits with better
representations of the correct ends, so I think waiting for upgraded
casting will be worth it.

Timothy O'Connor <timoconnor@...>
Sterling, Massachusetts

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