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Re: Modeling the World War II period . . .

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Ed Mines wrote:
"During WWII he government had some photographers taking rail related
photos including Jack Delano. Those fantastic color photos of freight
yards that Ted uses were taken at that time."

As noted before several times on this list, these photos are from
the Library of Congress Farm Security Administration/Office of War
Information collection:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/fsacabt.html

All of the color photos can be viewed online, as well as many of the
black and white photos:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/pp/fsaabt.html


"A long time ago I bought a soft cover book with '40s passenger car
consists. It includes a couple of troop trains."

Sounds like one of the Wayner consist books.


Ben Hom


Re: WWII photos of loads

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Don Worthy wrote:
"This shot was made in 41' at the International plant. <<snip>> If
this photo doesn't show up in the note, I'll post it in the group
photo section."

Don, the group settings strip attachments before forwarding posts to
the group. Please upload the photo to the photos section at your
convenience. Thanks in advance!


Ben Hom


Re: Modeling the World War II period . . .

ed_mines
 

There's a fantastic picture book titled something like "Iron Horses at
War" which shows WWII railroading.

During WWII he government had some photographers taking rail related
photos including Jack Delano. Those fantastic color photos of freight
yards that Ted uses were taken at that time.

A long time ago I bought a soft cover book with '40s passenger car
consists. It includes a couple of troop trains.

Ed


Re: Needs to know/caboose windows

Bruce Smith
 

On Apr 25, 2007, at 12:26 AM, Dave Powell wrote:

Hi,
I hope this meets our criteria ,but I need to know who makes the
flush window sets for the Bowser HO PRR N-5c Caboose? Thanks, Dave Powell
I will add that AMB/Laserkit makes very nice laser cut windows for the N5 and N5C. I used these on my PRRPro (PRR Projects group) cabin cars. In addition, they offer a set of window mullions for the end windows on the N5. If you're interested, we did the N5 series as a project recently and you can read the details in the PRRPro archives at http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/PRRPro


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Re: Needs to know/cabin car windows

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Dave Powell asked:
"...I need to know who makes the flush window sets for the Bowser HO
PRR N-5c Caboose?"

1. NO DASHES IN PRR CAR CLASSES!
2. It's a cabin car, not a caboose!

Run 8 Productions issued a line of flush PRR cabin car windows after
Bowser first released the models, including a Class N5C set. Their
contact information from the parts package is:

PO Box 25224
Rochester NY 14625-0224
WindowRun8 'at' aol 'dot' com

Eastern Car works also lists a Class N5C window set as part #9108,
and this is currently in stock at Walthers. Bowser also offers a
windows set as part #55040. I haven't tried either of these parts
and can't comment on how well they fit.


Ben Hom


Needs to know/caboose windows

Dave Powell <daveydiesel@...>
 

Hi,
I hope this meets our criteria ,but I need to know who makes the
flush window sets for the Bowser HO PRR N-5c Caboose? Thanks, Dave Powell


Re: Modeling the WW II era

Jared Harper <harper-brown@...>
 

It makes a difference if you model the mainlines versus the
branchlines. I have talked to a number of folks who were associated
with the Alma branch during WWII. Most say there was little difference
during the war. Andy Sperandeo mentioned the 1942 box car shortage and
one of my Alma branch sources on the ground mentions that too. However,
the same person said that the elevator where she worked ALWAYS had
difficulty getting the box cars they needed. At one point there was a
tank car shortage and the tank cars were pooled and many shipments of
less than 100 miles were pulled from the railroads and went to trucks.
Also, the tank cars during the war were less brand specific. A Kanotex
jobber might receive a shipment in a Standard Oil car. During WWII the
Santa Fe's Alma branch trains did not make passenger connections with
mainline trains.
Jared Harper
Athens, GA


Re: 1950's CSX (Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags)

Tim O'Connor
 

On Apr 24, 2007, at 10:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

This may have come up before, because I have three excellent ACF
builder photos of CSX 115 on my hard drive, which I must have found
on Fallen Flags or another web site. Two of the views show 115 in
"whitewash" paint, and the other is in black.
Tim,
According to AC&F paint specs the CSX cars were painted differently.
Series 100-114 were painted black with white stencils and 115-119 were
gray with black stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
You're right Ed I should put on my glasses when looking at pictures.
The light car is 115, the black one is 111.


Re: 1950's CSX (Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags)

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 24, 2007, at 10:39 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

This may have come up before, because I have three excellent ACF
builder photos of CSX 115 on my hard drive, which I must have found
on Fallen Flags or another web site. Two of the views show 115 in
"whitewash" paint, and the other is in black.
Tim,
According to AC&F paint specs the CSX cars were painted differently.
Series 100-114 were painted black with white stencils and 115-119 were
gray with black stencils.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: 1950's CSX (Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags)

Tim O'Connor
 

This may have come up before, because I have three excellent ACF
builder photos of CSX 115 on my hard drive, which I must have found
on Fallen Flags or another web site. Two of the views show 115 in
"whitewash" paint, and the other is in black.

Tim O'Connor

The reporting marks for forty 29'-3" IL covered hoppers that were
marked Central Soya Co., Inc., or McMillen Feed Mills, and were around
the midwest in the 1950's.

Chet French
Dixon, IL


Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags.

Charlie Vlk
 

Could be skylights; the angle seems odd for normal ones... however, solar panels wouldn't have a hatch enclosure under them either.
Since its been established that they are museum cars I'm sure somebody can find out what the structures are and why they are
shaped the way they are.
Charlie Vlk


WWII photos of loads

Don Worthy
 

Hey ya'll someone was asking about traffic and or type of loads during WWII.
This shot was made in 41' at the International plant. Notice the many tractors for the Army. More so, note the many farm tractors that are going out. Farming was a major business for the war effort. My family recieved extra rashion tickets for gas, sugar and other items so the farm could operate at full speed.
Well there is a pile of stuff out there but, you do have to dig. Sometimes, in places you wouldn't think would have railroad stuff.
If this photo doesn't show up in the note, I'll post it in the group photo section.
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga.


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Modeling the WW II era

Charles Etheredge
 

I'm enjoying this thread. I have picked this era to model because (1),
the sheer volume of traffic increased tremendously, (2) every surplus,
old rolling stock that could be had was used and, (3) the war prolonged
the life of a lot of steam locos that were waiting to be cut up. Also,
there was a lot of leased steam from foreign roads so that gives us the
opportunity to run a few locomotives that otherwise would never be
seen. Since we can't seem to get a good Harriman loco from any
manufacturer, we have to substitute something. <g>

Charles Etheredge
Modeling the TNO in the 40's


Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags.

Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
 

I¹d like to see it. The photos I took of Central Soya cars in the mid 1980s
(admittedly outside the scope of this group) were lettered ³CRDX².
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Thanks!

Brian Ehni



From: Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
Reply-To: <STMFC@...>
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:20:19 -0500
To: <STMFC@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags.





Chet,

Am fairly certain I have a color slide of a Central Soya
car. If it would help could try and locate.


Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags.

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Chet,

Am fairly certain I have a color slide of a Central Soya
car. If it would help could try and locate.

Russ Strodtz

----- Original Message -----
From: Chet French
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Tuesday, 24 April, 2007 15:26
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Steam Era cars posted on Fallen Flags.


--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
wrote:
>
> Chet French wrote:
> > The reporting marks for forty 29'-3" IL covered hoppers that
were
> > marked Central Soya Co., Inc., or McMillen Feed Mills, and
were
around
> > the midwest in the 1950's.
>
> Excellent report, Chet <g>. Some of us enjoy having NS
cars
in
> our fleets (the earlier one, of course) and we could have CSX
too.
But
> now we need the decals! anyone ready for that project?
>

I just checked the Bowser website and they offer a black
McMillen
Feed Mill car with CSX 104 reporting mark and number, kit
#55619, and
a gray CSX 124 with no other lettering, kit 55877. I am not
sure how
accurate these cars are. Cars were numbered 100-139.

Chet French
Dixon, IL




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Re: Modeling the World War II period . . .

Greg Silva
 


Anyone know of specific resources for modeling the World War II
period? Books, for instance? Is there a Yahoo modeling group focused
on these years?
Another source which may be helpful is the books written By Kip
Farrington during that period. They are readily available from on-line
sources, normally through Railpub, and are very reasonably priced -
usually in the $5 to $6 range. Greg.


Re: PRR Class GG Hopper (was Re: PRRT&HS annual meeting)

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: [STMFC] PRR Class GG Hopper (was Re: PRRT&HS annual meeting)


Dean Payne wrote:

This photo was indeed taken in 1939; however, PY&A 1818 was no
longer in revenue service by this time. This car was one of a group
of historically significant locomotives, passenger cars, and freight
cars restored or replicated (e.g. Camden & Amboy John Bull and
coaches, not to be confused with the original in the Smithsonian) by
the Pennsylvania Railroad in the late 1930s for display at the 1939-
40 Worlds Fair.

Ben is correct. However, the reconstruction of 1939 has some significant errors versus the as-built car. First, the built date and place of building are incorrect. Second, the lettering on the end is not correct. Third, the stake pockets are not original but a heavier, later design and the stakes are larger than original to match the pockets. Finally, the original had iron sheeting on the slope sheet sheets and cover plates (although some cars had it removed and some may have been built without sheeting - records are incomplete). Also, the trucks on the car as built were 35-ton 5' wheelbase rather than the 50-ton 5'6" shown. Over the years most cars were upgraded with 50-ton trucks. - Al Westerfield


Re: Modeling the World War II period . . .

Ted Schnepf <railsunl@...>
 

At 12:43 PM 4/24/2007, you wrote:

Jason's question about auto box cars in WW2 triggered a question or
two in my mind, maybe some here can help with.

Anyone know of specific resources for modeling the World War II
period? Books, for instance? Is there a Yahoo modeling group focused
on these years?

Thank you much,

-Brian
Hi Brian,

there was a whole series or 4 books written during the war by Farrington, Railroading at the Head end, Railroading at the Rear End, Railroading the Modern Way, and maybe Railroads at War. This author was always riding trains during the war and presenting railroad operations in their best light. They were in my home town public library in the 1960's and comprised the railroad book section. these books by Farrington are still a good prototype rear for that period.

Ted


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Re: Decals Tichy USRA

red_gate_rover
 

--- In STMFC@..., "Dean Payne" <deanpayne@...> wrote:


Jim,
I suggest you pick up the July 2004 Railroad Model Craftsman. Ted
Culotta wrote one of his "Essential Freight Car" installments on the
USRA SS cars. It has a lot of useful information on these cars, and
how to model them. I have an assembled Tichy kit, waiting for paint,
and for me to order decals from Westerfield. Personally, I'm going
with Milwaukee Road decals.
Are there any inaccuracies I can fix before I paint? Al says there
are a dozen or so, which is enough that I don't think they can all be
fixed. At least the decals will be right!
Dean Payne

Thanks. Actually I've been a subscriber to RMC since 1969 and have all
the issues going back to 53. However, it's only recently that I've
paid much attention to this facet of the hobby. "At least the
decals will be right" is good enough for me on this one model. I'll
buy one of Al's next. In Maine two-foot modeling we still do not have
accurate decals despite the fact that there are only a few roads to
try to replicate. We can never get the right combination of skill,
finances, and access to actual lettering to the job done. So I'm,
perhaps too used to compromising in my modeling. I'm enjoying very
much the desire among many here to set the "gold standard", and will
find pleasure in trying to reach that standard. However, there will be
times when I will choose to have it just look right to 99.99 percent
of other modelers. In other words I don't mind if once in a while
only I and a few on this list will know the difference! ;)
-Jim Pasquill


Re: Modeling the World War II period . . .

cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

Brian,

Put me down as one who has modeled WW@ for 20 years to date. It ewas a bit of
information in "The Durbin Route" (William Price McNeel) of the CO that got me
started. Can you who know the area imagine oil trains up through Cass WV and
interchanging with the WM.

Since the equipment isn't particularly unusual. other than flat cars of tanks
and troop trains with "boxcar coaches", I have concentrated on the cultural
aspects of the era, with scrap drives, War Bond drives, a draft board office,
etc. That material is readily available in many photo books, Life magazine
compilations and the like. Much of this is often available on remainder tables,
library book sales, etc.

As a child of that era, I was fascinated by WW2 history in my teenage years,
and it continues to this day.

CJ Riley


--- Brian Chapman <cornbeltroute@...> wrote:

Jason's question about auto box cars in WW2 triggered a question or
two in my mind, maybe some here can help with.

Are there many individuals who model this period? If not, is it partly
because of security at the time suppressing information flow and
photo-taking?

It's such a powerful era historically, I've begun to consider more and
more this period as a modeling subject. But, because it was wartime,
maybe information about traffic flow, car loads and such would prove
highly difficult to research.

I wonder, too, how much the railroad industry changed during those
years, 1942-45. Hard to imagine certain changes -- upgrades -- did not
occur out of a forced necessity. For instance, increased traffic, did
it require signaling improvements on certain routes?

Anyone know of specific resources for modeling the World War II
period? Books, for instance? Is there a Yahoo modeling group focused
on these years?

Thank you much,

-Brian

Brian Chapman
Evansdale, Iowa


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