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Re: Sunshine kits on Ebay

Dave Nelson <muskoka@...>
 

Storey Lindsay wrote:
Tim,

Look at
http://cgi.ebay.com/SUNSHINE-MODELS-REA-EXPRESS-GATC-REEFER-HO-RTR_W0QQitemZ
280107351603QQihZ018QQcategoryZ484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
and it still has two days to go.

Storey Lindsay
Celje, Slovenia
Yes but that is a finished car not a kit. $129 for that is within reason
for many folks.

Dave Nelson


Re: Steam Era Railroad Movies

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Apr 26, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Charles Morrill wrote:

The SP made two versions of "This Is My Railroad". The first was released
in 1947 and was all steam except for some diesel switchers and the City of
S.F. The later version with mostly diesels was released in the mid-50s.
In my previous missive I forgot to mention another Espee
promotional film, "Snow on the Run", which has shots of
the City of San Francisco sticking its nose out of the
snowshed in which it was held captive one winter. That
film has stunning scenes of both rotary plows and Jordan
spreaders in action, including a close-up of what happens
when one applies too much force to a spreader while
spreading -- see one bent hydraulic ram!

Travel and industrial promotional movies were often shown in neighborhood
movie houses as the "shorts" before the feature film. This was all back in
the day of Saturday matinee and before TV of course.
I miss those days -- great cartoons, fun double bills,
newsreels, and I could get in for a quarter at the local
odeon.
--
Nolan Hinshaw
Native Californian since 1944
San Francisco (permanent) resident since 1971


Re: Steam Era Railroad Movies

Nolan Hinshaw
 

On Apr 26, 2007, at 5:20 AM, rgs0554 wrote:

Hi Folks, On the internet I ran across an archive which has preserved all sorts of early to mid
20th century promotional films. Here is the address of one film for the SP.

http://www.archive.org/details/ThisIsMy1940
I once had in my hands a VHS copy of this film and the later
diesel era film; for those of us who appreciate period details
of the Espee, these films fill that bill quite well. However,
it seems that the bits at archive.org are a bit confused, and
even edited a bit -- some of the scenes I remembered from the
VHS steam edition don't appear in either part of the clips
on the web site, and it seems like both the steam and diesel
editions got interlaced.

Although titled 1940, it is probably mid-50s.
Some of both -- see above.

The 26 railroad clips - 3 New Haven, one Rock
Island etc are filed in the Prelinger Archive under Transportation - railroad. If you've not
encountered this before I think they're really neat movies of Steam- era railroading. Regards,
Don Smith
In all, aside from discrepancies that irritate nit-pickers
like me, that whole transportation archive is a treasure
--
Nolan Hinshaw
Native Californian since 1944
San Francisco (permanent) resident since 1971


new book

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I just received a copy of Shipping Planes on Trains, Volume 1. In 300 pages it covers only 1903-1918! To say the amount of research is astounding is an understatement. See it at www.sharpspear.com. - Al Westerfield


GG

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I completed the first GG model last night and emailed photos to Al Buchan for inclusion in the next Pennsy Modeler, due out shortly. Once painted and decaled I get it up on my web site. - Al


Re: Modeling the PRR/FGE R7 reefer

Westerfield <westerfield@...>
 

I emailed Byron Rose with the news about the RP Cyc article in hopes it would interested in re-starting the project. - Al


ADMIN: Message rules

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

I think it's time to again remind the members about STMFC rules regarding messages.

1. All messages must be signed with full names. If your full name is to the left of the "@" in your address as it appears in the message, that is acceptable.

2. Do not include the entire message of a message you refer to. Include only those parts you refer to.

3. Make sure the subject heading is associated with your message.

This is a friendly reminder. Regretfully, mistakes happen and always will happen. However, part of the job of head judge is to try to "enlighten" the members regarding sloppiness in our message processing. Another duty of the head judge is that of keeping the key to Moderate Jail...and, ugh...providing meal service for those in the jail. Best to stay away from there. I mean...you don't even want to visit.

Thanks.

Mike Brock
STMFC Owner


Re: Searching

Rick <oscaletrains@...>
 

Rich,

No, I am not interested in the fire train, only in one of the series of
tankers that got made into water cars for the fire train. Remember the
old Lobaugh "Crude Oil Tanker"...

Rick

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...> wrote:

Ah ha! An SP fire train!
Hey if anyone out there is interested in an absolutely gorgeous fire
train model in "O" contact tomfogle@...


Modeling the PRR/FGE R7 reefer

Bruce Smith
 

Eric Thur wrote:
I wanted to Kit bash a PRR R7 in FGEX.
I replied
The obvious candidate for this in HO would be the Westerfield X23.
The
modifications would have to include hatches and everything between
the X23
door posts.
Bill Welch then wrote:
I have to admit that I have never looked at the X23 in this way, as
I am under the impression that there are more differences than the
obvious door, hatches etc. Let me look at my X23 photos.
Bill, Eric, Folks,

I've ccc:ed this to a couple of other lists (STMFC and PRR-Talk)
because I think it has wider interest.

I looked at the photos in RPC #15 again last night along with the car
diagrams and at least superficially, I could not find any differences
other than the door arrangement, letterboard and roof hatches (and
therefore altered running boards). I'll admit that I did not count
rivets <G>, and these may be altered to reflect things like the ice
bunkers. Of note was the fact that unlike many X23s, I could not
find an R7 photo that showed a car that had been switched from
vertical to horizontal siding.

I looked more closely at my Westerfield X23, and it would be slightly
more challenging than just adding the R7 door from the CCS model
<G>. The door posts on the X23 are not made from pressed U channel
like the remaining posts. To model an R7 you need to replace these
with vertical pressed channels. I would think that you could do this
by using either a second X23 and harvesting verticals or making one
of those 2 part "clay" molds of a vertical stake on the X23 body.
Either approach would have the horizontal braces on both sides, so
you would then need to shave the brace off of one side for each
vertical.

Regards
Bruce

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Auburn, AL
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Re: Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

Chad Boas
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Haas &#92;(G2&#92;)" <Goatfisher2@...>
wrote:

Group,

I have a caboose (sans box) I acquired along the line as part of a
collection.

Though painted and lettered for Great Northern (X271), it doesn't
match up
against anything GN I've found in my library.


On the bottom of the caboose is a piece of Brass with a marker
light inked
on it. I recognize this emblem as the symbol of one of the
importers, but
for the life of me I can't recollect who's symbol that is. Any
clues?
Look at at DT&I or Monon International cabooses.
Chad
The caboose itself represents a steel caboose, body about 30 - 31
feet.
Cupola is slightly off center toward the back and is the same width
as the
caboose. Front and back of the cupola have wide spread square
windows with
raised lip representing a seal. Side windows on cupola are
smaller, square,
widely spaced front to back. Drip "eave" above windows on both
sides of
cupola. Body has three windows on each side - one halfway between
rear edge
of cupola and end of body - two close together half way between
cupola and
front of caboose. These body window are separate casting and they
include
rivet or bolt detail around the frames of the windows. Smoke stack
in right
rear corner of car. Pair of marker lamps on one end of car and
brackets for
marker lamps at the other. Underbody details are pretty basic;
brake valve,
cylinder, reservoir, train line and tool box. "Japan" stamped
lightly on
underside of floor.

It shares some design characteristics with GN X31 - 40 most notably
the
cupola, but is way off in other features.

Any help out there, at least id'ing the Manufacturer based on the
Marker
Light symbol?


Thanks!

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Re: Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

RICH NUNN <flyingtigers_nunn@...>
 

Dear Steve:

Tell me about the cupola. As you are probably aware, GN cabooses, both steel and wood, had the steel and wood sides that went right up the side in one continous piece from the sill at the botttom, to the drip rail at the top of the cupola. If the cupola is set on the roof as kinda an afterthought and looks separate from the sides, it's not a GN caboose. NP and CB&Q ran some that looked like what you might describing, and so did many other roads.

How many windows does it have? And how are they arranged?

It sounds like somone took paint liberties with an old Trains caboose. The marker light logo was from "Trains" as stated before. I have some of them too.

Thanks,
Rich Nunn


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Re: Steam Era Railroad Movies

original_coaster <ladanas@...>
 

As has been pointed out already, there were two versions of this
promotional film (the latter of which, if I recall, reused some
material from the original). The numerous shots in this version of the
post-1949 Shasta Daylight would, I think, be enough to peg this as the
later version. Additionally, there's a shot of an Espee bobtail
delivery truck in a Daylight-inspired livery that -- again, if I recall
correctly -- was introduced on Southern Pacific trailers and vans circa
1954.

Great shots, and it's really interesting to be reminded of how much
more labor-intensive railroading once was . . . not really so long ago
(or at least I like to think it wasn't so long ago).

Regards,
Paul


Re: Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

Raymond Young
 

Steve,

The marker light symbol was used by Trains, Inc. One of the models they made was an ATSF Caboose that loosely fits your description. Compare your brass model to an Athearn offset-cupula caboose to see if there is a resemblance. That may be what you have.

Virgil Young
Amarillo, TX

"Steve Haas (G2)" <Goatfisher2@comcast.net> wrote:
Group,

I have a caboose (sans box) I acquired along the line as part of a
collection.

Though painted and lettered for Great Northern (X271), it doesn't match up
against anything GN I've found in my library.

On the bottom of the caboose is a piece of Brass with a marker light inked
on it. I recognize this emblem as the symbol of one of the importers, but
for the life of me I can't recollect who's symbol that is. Any clues?

The caboose itself represents a steel caboose, body about 30 - 31 feet.
Cupola is slightly off center toward the back and is the same width as the
caboose. Front and back of the cupola have wide spread square windows with
raised lip representing a seal. Side windows on cupola are smaller, square,
widely spaced front to back. Drip "eave" above windows on both sides of
cupola. Body has three windows on each side - one halfway between rear edge
of cupola and end of body - two close together half way between cupola and
front of caboose. These body window are separate casting and they include
rivet or bolt detail around the frames of the windows. Smoke stack in right
rear corner of car. Pair of marker lamps on one end of car and brackets for
marker lamps at the other. Underbody details are pretty basic; brake valve,
cylinder, reservoir, train line and tool box. "Japan" stamped lightly on
underside of floor.

It shares some design characteristics with GN X31 - 40 most notably the
cupola, but is way off in other features.

Any help out there, at least id'ing the Manufacturer based on the Marker
Light symbol?

Thanks!

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Re: Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

Steve Haas
 

Thanks Steve,

That gives me a starting place. Now I can search my collection of MR's for
Trains, Inc. ads. Hopefully that will lead me to an ad with a description.

The rest of you, don't be shy! Chime in with any info or leads you might
have!

Thanks to all,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA

____________________________________________________________________________
___


The marker light symbol was used by Trains Inc. I looked at a loco model
and it did not have a brass plate with the marker light on the bottom,
something else with Japan. End plate of the box did.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, NM




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Re: Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

s shaffer
 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Haas (G2)" <Goatfisher2@comcast.net>
Subject: [STMFC] Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model


"Though painted and lettered for Great Northern (X271), it doesn't match up
against anything GN I've found in my library.

On the bottom of the caboose is a piece of Brass with a marker light inked
on it. I recognize this emblem as the symbol of one of the importers, but
for the life of me I can't recollect who's symbol that is. Any clues?"

The marker light symbol was used by Trains Inc. I looked at a loco model
and it did not have a brass plate with the marker light on the bottom,
something else with Japan. End plate of the box did.

Steve Shaffer
Las Cruces, NM


Re: Searching

Rich Yoder
 

Ah ha! An SP fire train!
Hey if anyone out there is interested in an absolutely gorgeous fire
train model in "O" contact tomfogle@surewest.net



Sincerely, Rich Yoder
7 Edgedale Court
Wyomissing PA 19610-1913
610-678-2834 after 6:00PM est until 10:00PM
www.richyodermodels.com

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rick
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:38 AM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Searching

I thought the web page said that the O50-1's were built in 1904. Oh
well, maybe it isn't an O-50 at all. What the thing looks like is a
large diameter tank on a frame about 40' scale feet long. The frame
has maybe 6 large equally spaced apart "saddles" that the tank itself
sits on. It has a rather small looking dome, for the size of the tank
anyway, and a vent coming out and then turning up on both sides of
the dome. I just want to know how they were lettered as built.

This is what they looked like after being converted to fire train
service...

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6193/bc85301xe5.jpg

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/462/bc85571bz9.jpg



--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

These cars were not "crude oil" cars, nor had SP built such cars
since at least 1906. In any case, my previous question was era, not
car class. Lettering as originally delivered differed from a couple
of subsequent eras, so your question remains ambiguous, at least to
me. I have lettering diagrams for these cars in revenue service (and
they will be in my next freight car volume), but none for fire
service; in fact, I doubt that anything beyond a shop sketch was used
for that lettering. Please help me by being more specific about what
you want.




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Re: GTW 40' Box Cars in 515000-515499 number series

al_brown03
 

In Steinheimer's "A Passion for Trains", plate 65 shows a San Diego &
Arizona Eastern train crossing the Carriso Gorge trestle ca 1952. GTW
515406 is first out behind the locomotive. The same photo is
reproduced larger in Vintage Rails WI/96, p30.

In DeYoung's "Erie Lackawanna in Color, vol 4", p11, there's a photo
showing GTW 515356 in a train.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Schwiebert"
<michael.schwiebert@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any links to photos, or other information
regardihg
this car series? They were commonly used in auto parts service to
the GM/Fisher plant near Adrian that was served by the DT&I (on the
DT&I "old line" up from Napoleon OH) Looking to model a few of
these in
HO Scale.
Thanks in advance!

Michael Schwiebert


Re: Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Steve,

I have a very early brass GN waycar with box. It is PFM.
The paint on it is a heavy thick coat. Sorry I can't get
at it right now. I think my mother actually bought it in
Japan. Also have two GN passenger cars of the same era,
also PFM.

Will try and find tomorrow. Would probably like to get
rid of all three as they have no place in my plans.

I do not recall the marker light symbol but have not seen
it in at least 20 years.

Russ Strodtz

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Haas (G2)
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 26 April, 2007 19:05
Subject: [STMFC] Help needed to ID brass caboose importer &
model


Group,

I have a caboose (sans box) I acquired along the line as part of
a
collection.

Though painted and lettered for Great Northern (X271), it
doesn't match up
against anything GN I've found in my library.


On the bottom of the caboose is a piece of Brass with a marker
light inked
on it. I recognize this emblem as the symbol of one of the
importers, but
for the life of me I can't recollect who's symbol that is. Any
clues?

The caboose itself represents a steel caboose, body about 30 -
31 feet.
Cupola is slightly off center toward the back and is the same
width as the
caboose. Front and back of the cupola have wide spread square
windows with
raised lip representing a seal. Side windows on cupola are
smaller, square,
widely spaced front to back. Drip "eave" above windows on both
sides of
cupola. Body has three windows on each side - one halfway
between rear edge
of cupola and end of body - two close together half way between
cupola and
front of caboose. These body window are separate casting and
they include
rivet or bolt detail around the frames of the windows. Smoke
stack in right
rear corner of car. Pair of marker lamps on one end of car and
brackets for
marker lamps at the other. Underbody details are pretty basic;
brake valve,
cylinder, reservoir, train line and tool box. "Japan" stamped
lightly on
underside of floor.

It shares some design characteristics with GN X31 - 40 most
notably the
cupola, but is way off in other features.

Any help out there, at least id'ing the Manufacturer based on
the Marker
Light symbol?


Thanks!

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Help needed to ID brass caboose importer & model

Steve Haas
 

Group,

I have a caboose (sans box) I acquired along the line as part of a
collection.

Though painted and lettered for Great Northern (X271), it doesn't match up
against anything GN I've found in my library.


On the bottom of the caboose is a piece of Brass with a marker light inked
on it. I recognize this emblem as the symbol of one of the importers, but
for the life of me I can't recollect who's symbol that is. Any clues?

The caboose itself represents a steel caboose, body about 30 - 31 feet.
Cupola is slightly off center toward the back and is the same width as the
caboose. Front and back of the cupola have wide spread square windows with
raised lip representing a seal. Side windows on cupola are smaller, square,
widely spaced front to back. Drip "eave" above windows on both sides of
cupola. Body has three windows on each side - one halfway between rear edge
of cupola and end of body - two close together half way between cupola and
front of caboose. These body window are separate casting and they include
rivet or bolt detail around the frames of the windows. Smoke stack in right
rear corner of car. Pair of marker lamps on one end of car and brackets for
marker lamps at the other. Underbody details are pretty basic; brake valve,
cylinder, reservoir, train line and tool box. "Japan" stamped lightly on
underside of floor.

It shares some design characteristics with GN X31 - 40 most notably the
cupola, but is way off in other features.

Any help out there, at least id'ing the Manufacturer based on the Marker
Light symbol?


Thanks!

Best regards,

Steve Haas
Sammamish, WA


Re: UP B-50-38 (196000-196999) & B-50-39 (197000-198999) trust plates

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Roger,

The use of a particular form of financining was generally
dictated by the prevailing regulations that were enforced
by the ICC and the IRS.

The actual physical application of a ownership or trust
plate was only practical in the days of cheaper labor
costs. Later most road went to stencils. Many did not
even mention the owner but followed a typical formula
which ran pretty much like this:

"Ownership of this equipment is subject to an Trust
Agreement in accordance with the Interstate Commerce
Act", or words to that effect. This covered the legal
requirement at a considerably lower cost.

Currently the STB has replaced the ICC but not much
equipment is being stenciled at all.

One of the ways that roads handled leased equipment was
by applying a minimal lettering scheme. CB&Q left off the
"Way of the Zephyrs" and "Burlington Route" script heralds.
In later years BN did not usually put it's logo on leased
cars.

Russ Strodtz

----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Hinman
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 26 April, 2007 17:41
Subject: Re: [STMFC] UP B-50-38 (196000-196999) & B-50-39
(197000-198999) trust plates


You touch upon a subject I don't totally understood yet either.
Prior
to the second World War, many
railroads and private car company's used Equipment Trusts to
finance
car purchases. When the car was paid off,
the trust plate was removed. The use of Conditional Sales
Agreements
were a bit more complicated. The car builder
might use a Conditional Sales Agreement with the railroad, then
later sell the financing to a bank or trust. How this translated
into an ET plate on a car is not clear.


That said, I have found Equipment Trusts and CSA as excellent
research vehicles to uncover origins of equipment. They also
show up
on Equipment Dispostion Reports

Roger Hinman

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