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ACF Car files - drawings

np328
 

On post # 32283 on the STCF, Ed Mines, list you give mention of
ACF drawings being available at the Museum of Transportation/St.
Louis. While researching this weekend at the Minnesota Historical
Society in the Northern Pacific files, I came upon numerous
mentions of ACF drawing numbers such as the following;
"ACF 620-6335"

May I ask what your experiences, or anyone else on this list,
have been concerning the repository of drawings located there?
I would like to obtain copies of plans from requests sent via
earth mail, however a visit in person from St. Paul, MN, where I
live, to St. Louis is not out of the question if I knew some
ground rules. One other question, and again open to the list,
has anyone researched the Barringer Collection located at the
Mercantile Library in St. Louis.
Experiences in researching there requested.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and have a good day,
James Dick
Northern Pacific Rwy. Historical Assoc.


Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

Tim O'Connor
 

There is a scan online of the builder photo of KCS #24000. I'm
not sure where I got it -- Fallen Flags or RPI -- but it's from
the Car Builder's Cyc of that era. According to my notes the IL
is 50'0".

Tim O'Connor

Athearn produced a metal pulpwood car during the mid 1950's. Produced in one road name only - Kansas City Southern in only one documented car number - 24010. All- metal car with die cast bulkhead ends. Originals had sprung metal trucks and dummy knuckle couplers. Catalog number was A-607.
Frank Brua
----- Original Message -----
From: Francis Pehowic
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Athearn Pulpwod Car


I am not sure if this is the proper list but because the car is metal I would think it is an older car. I have a chance to buy an Athearn metal 53' pulpwood car ($15). I have never heard of this car. The only pulpwood car I know they made is a 40' plastic model.

Can anyone be of help? The man is reputable but cannot scan a photo and time is a factor.

Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.


Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

jerryglow2
 

I stand correctd; that's interesting information. Guees that's what
we're all here for.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> wrote:

Jerry Glow wrote:
"I never heard of such a car. Back when Athearn was doing metal cars,
they did have a 50' boxcar car and I think a 50' flat car but not
pulpwood or bulkhead."

Not true. See previous posts by Frank Brua, Ed Hawkins, and myself;
also see page 61 of Greensburg's Guide to Athearn Trains.


Ben Hom


Re: BX 100 - odd car found at Bellingham, WA

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Frank,

In some types of heavy yard operations braking is more
important than tractive effort. For example the former
SLSF hump in Tulsa is so arranged that the tracks they
hump off of are downhill. The power is only using
braking during the actual humping.

A "Brake Sled" is a modified car or locomotive that is
only there for it's braking power. Saves brake shoes
and wheel wear on locomotives. I'm fairly sure some
existed during the STMFC era.

While we are in this part of the country I think that
there are still a couple of SP&S 36M flats cars in barge
idler service in Vancouver BC and Seattle. Rather old
cars.

Some coal mine loading loops are downhill. This requires
that the loading be done with the locomotives in reverse.
It's called "Plug Loading". I do not think that steam
locomotives could do this but early diesels certainly
could. The now closed York Canyon Mine in New Mexico was
one example of a plug loading mine.

Russ Strodtz

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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 29 April, 2007 23:46
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: BX 100 - odd car found at Bellingham,
WA



> Could this be used as a brake sled? Just a WAG on my
part.Charlie A.

And a SAQ on my part: what's a brake sled?

Frank Valoczy

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Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

toddsyr <toddsyr@...>
 

Yeah, that was my point. But, as Mr. Hom pointed out, it should be easy to tell the difference between the older and newer ones. Thanks for the tips Ben!

Todd K. Stearns

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car


Many of the brand new Athearn N scale cars are made of metal !!
Chuck Hladik

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Re: BX 100 - odd car found at Bellingham, WA

destron@...
 

Could this be used as a brake sled? Just a WAG on my part.Charlie A.
And a SAQ on my part: what's a brake sled?

Frank Valoczy




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Re: BX 100 - odd car found at Bellingham, WA

Charlie Ake <icrr2@...>
 

Could this be used as a brake sled? Just a WAG on my part.Charlie A.


Re: Date for Sunshine-Naperville 2007?

tmolsen@...
 

List,

I spoke with Tricia Lofton this past week to see if Martin had worked out room prices for the hotel in Naperville. She said that they had not done so as yet, but should have information sometime in late May.

The hotel was to be sold to another chain and construction to enlarge it was supposed to have started, but as with all real estate deals, things are far behind and tha deal probably won't be consumated until mid-November this year. The City of Naperville is working with the new buyer to make this hotel a convention center. This news was reported last year.

Tom Olsen
7 Boundary Road, West Branch
Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
(302) 738-4292
tmolsen@udel.edu


1954 MKT Flat

Tom Palmer
 

Hi Ed,
If you have a photo of the M-K-T 13701-13725 (4-54 by AC&F) cars I would appreciate a
copy. The Katy diagrams are not always correct and I am willing to state that I do not
have it all correct at times. I tend to not pay to much attention to cars I do not intend to model.
Thank you and best regards,
Tom Palmer


Tom Palmer
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Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

Tim O'Connor
 

I have that KCS flat car! I always thought it was from Ulrich
or someone else...

Tim O'Connor

At 4/29/2007 07:32 PM Sunday, you wrote:
Jerry Glow wrote:
"I never heard of such a car. Back when Athearn was doing metal cars,
they did have a 50' boxcar car and I think a 50' flat car but not
pulpwood or bulkhead."

Not true. See previous posts by Frank Brua, Ed Hawkins, and myself;
also see page 61 of Greensburg's Guide to Athearn Trains.

Ben Hom


Re: Athearn Pulpwood Car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Todd Stearns wrote:
"Just because the car is metal, don't assume it's older. I've made a
few new release purchases lately that are metal cars, Athearn included."

Upon examination, the Athearn metal cars of the 1950s are not likely to
be mistaken for later cast metal tooling. The major body components,
center sill and crossbearers, and door guides (for boxcars) are made
from stamped sheet metal; grab irons are formed from wire, and running
boards, detail parts and bolsters are made of cast metal.
Additionally, the underframe has a wooden subfloor.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

benjaminfrank_hom <b.hom@...>
 

Jerry Glow wrote:
"I never heard of such a car. Back when Athearn was doing metal cars,
they did have a 50' boxcar car and I think a 50' flat car but not
pulpwood or bulkhead."

Not true. See previous posts by Frank Brua, Ed Hawkins, and myself;
also see page 61 of Greensburg's Guide to Athearn Trains.


Ben Hom


Re: Athearn Pulpwod Car

jerryglow2
 

I never heard of such a car. Back when Athearn was doing metal cars,
They did have a 50' boxcar car and I think a 50' flat car but not
pulpwood or bulkhead.

Jerry Glow

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Francis Pehowic <fapjr53@...> wrote:

I am not sure if this is the proper list but because the car is
metal I would think it is an older car. I have a chance to buy an
Athearn metal 53' pulpwood car ($15). I have never heard of this
car. The only pulpwood car I know they made is a 40' plastic model.

Can anyone be of help? The man is reputable but cannot scan a
photo and time is a factor.

Thanks!
Francis A. Pehowic, Jr.




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Re: Accurate Roadnames for new release of P2K AAR Flats?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 29, 2007, at 3:12 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:

Tim and Tom,
Sorry, my data on the M-K-T 1952-built cars was in error. Thanks for
bringing this to my attention. I counted the stake pockets on the
1954-built cars and there are 15.
As with the other flat cars in the latest P2K production run, the M-K-T
models are based on prototype photos and, as Ed says, the prototype
cars were built to the AAR recommended-practice design with 15 stake
pockets.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Accurate Roadnames for new release of P2K AAR Flats?

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Apr 29, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Ed Hawkins wrote:


On Apr 29, 2007, at 12:27 PM, ogdentowebercanyon wrote:

> Walthers has announced a new run of the Proto 2000 AAR flat cars for
> the following road names and I would like to know which ones are
> actually correct prototypes? Thanks.
>
> N&W
> MKT
> ACL
> EJ&E
> KCS

Jason,
The model, if painted/lettered correctly, is generally accurate for
the
following on the list:

ACL 77000-77471 (Class P13 and P14, 1943 by Greenville & P-S)
EJ&E 6375-6574 (1942 by Ralston)
EJ&E 6575-6774 (8-47 by AC&F)
KCS 1000-1199 (3-54 by AC&F)
M-K-T 13501-13525 (2-52 by M-K-T)
M-K-T 13701-13725 (4-54 by AC&F)

If N&W originally had any of the cars, I'm not aware of it. They may
be
accurate for post-1964 after N&W acquired NKP. Hope this helps.
Ed's information is correct, as usual. From the beginning, though P2K
models have had occasional errors, it has been Life-Like's, and later
Walthers', policy to not issue any P2K models in bogus paint and
lettering schemes. But modelers are slow to recognize this, perhaps
because other manufacturers are less principled in this regard.

As for N&W, they did get NKP cars through the 1964 merger and some of
them were repainted and re-lettered N&W; the models are based on
photographic evidence.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Accurate Roadnames for new release of P2K AAR Flats?

Ed Hawkins
 

On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

That's weird, Ed. MKT 13501-13525 show up in Jim Eager's list of
GSC flat cars (Railmodel Journal 12/1992).

Tim O'Connor
Tim and Tom,
Sorry, my data on the M-K-T 1952-built cars was in error. Thanks for
bringing this to my attention. I counted the stake pockets on the
1954-built cars and there are 15.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Accurate Roadnames for new release of P2K AAR Flats?

Tom Palmer
 

Jason and Ed,
Please note the following details regarding the Katy flat cars mentioned.
M-K-T 13501-13525 (2-52 by M-K-T) - These cars were General Steel Casting frames. I would use a GSC model
for this particular car.
M-K-T 13701-13725 (4-54 by AC&F) - This car would be close with the exception of the Katy prototype having
16 stake pockets (according to the equipment diagram) instead of 15. There are a few minor detail differences.
Best regards,
Tom Palmer - Modeling the Katy in 1952


Tom Palmer
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Re: Accurate Roadnames for new release of P2K AAR Flats?

Tim O'Connor
 

That's weird, Ed. MKT 13501-13525 show up in Jim Eager's list of
GSC flat cars (Railmodel Journal 12/1992).

Tim O'Connor

M-K-T 13501-13525 (2-52 by M-K-T)
M-K-T 13701-13725 (4-54 by AC&F)

If N&W originally had any of the cars, I'm not aware of it. They may be
accurate for post-1964 after N&W acquired NKP. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins


Re: BX 100 - odd car found at Bellingham, WA

destron@...
 

Richard, that's as good a guess as any as I've heard so far.

Given the security atmosphere nowadays we didn't feel like climbing the
fence to get a closer look, but we're hoping to talk to the gatemen next
time we're down there, and see if we can't get a closer look at it.

Frank Valoczy

I have no real idea regarding what this car is. It seems odd that one
would use a concrete car as a reach. There's so many other cars that
would work, including retired flat cars, box cars, cur down or not, etc.
Since it seems to be associated with the ferry, is there any chance it
could have been used as a counterweight when loading or unloading the
ferry to keep the ferry relatively level? Pure speculation on my part,
FWIW.
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon





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Re: Accurate Roadnames for new release of P2K AAR Flats?

Brian J Carlson <brian@...>
 

The N&W cars are pos 64 repaints of the NKP cars.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

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