--- In STMFC@..., Carrock1998@... wrote:
I just saw Bob this past weekend at a train show in Ft. Worth. He
only gave me a PO Box # in Kentucky to contact him with for some photos
that I want to purchase from him as well.

What did Bob tell you about mail orders .....cost .....? Does he still
go to train shows every weekend?

Ed

In the 1920s Car Builders' Cylcopedias and the other literature I have
on hand brakes, the only manufacturer I can find with a name that's
remotely similar is the Schaefer Equipment Co. of Pittsburgh, which
made a variety of brake rods, levers, and other brake fittings. Could
that be it?

I think you might have it. I could see Schaefer being misspelt as
"Sheaver", based on a mispronunciation or an anglicised pronunciation of
Schaefer.

Thanks!

Frank Valoczy

Stefan,

Don't pull the trigger and order yet. Let me see what I've got and
I'll get back with you tonight or tomorrow. I may have everything
you need, and I'll ship it to you free (I have a bunch of every
Champ SAL decal).

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

--- In STMFC@..., "stefanelaine" <stefanelaine@...>
wrote:

Rich,
Thanks very much for that! It looks like I'll have to keep an eye

out

for HB-31. Anyone want to part with one or two sets?
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@> wrote:

Stefan,

Here is the list of the heralds in the Champ Sets,
some are still available on their website:

HB-7 Route Of The Robert E. Lee
HB-8 The Route Of Courteous Service
HB-13 Route Of The Silver Meteor
HB-31 Silver Comet

http://www.minot.com/~champ/

I know Walthers made several sets, but I don't have
that info handy at the moment.

Rich Christie
--- stefanelaine <stefanelaine@> wrote:

Thanks, but Ted's excellent decal only has the
Silver Meteor slogan.
Been there...Can anyone confirm what slogan Champ
HB-8 has?
thanks
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., destron@ wrote:

Doesn't the Speedwitch SAL set have these in it? I

think it does...
it has

the Robert E Lee slogan, I'd be surprised if it

didn't have these.

Frank Valoczy,
New Westminster, BC

Looking for HO Seaboard Air Line decals with the

"Silver Comet" or

"Silver Star" slogan for 24300-499, 24800-999

and 25300-499 PS-1

boxcar series built from 1948-52. Everyone makes

the "Meteor" slogan

for other cars, but I can't find these two at

the usual suspects. Any

ideas?
Thanks in advance
Stefan Lerche'
Duncan, BC




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Thanks for the help with the Bob's Photo question. I'll leave it alone for now. Perhap's I see him this weekend coming up. We had a conversation about the Collinsville meet about a month or so ago, just hope he remembers to bring the prints.

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Richard,

I just saw Bob this past weekend at a train show in Ft. Worth. He only gave
me a PO Box # in Kentucky to contact him with for some photos that I want to
purchase from him as well. He didn't want to give out his phone #.

Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Robert "Rocky" Jackson



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On May 28, 2007, at 9:11 PM, destron@... wrote:

> In the 1920s several railway appliance manufacturers offered
mechanisms
> for multiplying the power applied by the brake chain that wound
around
> the bottom of the vertical staff, thus providing additional braking
> power. The two whose names ended with "...co" were Gemco and Ureco
> (Union Railway Equipment Co.). I'd vote for Ureco.

Looked at it again, it's certainly not Ureco; the "co" bit was a
guess;
the initial "Sh" I'm almost 100% on... looking again, hmm. Was there
anything like Shearer or Sheaver?

In the 1920s Car Builders' Cylcopedias and the other literature I have
on hand brakes, the only manufacturer I can find with a name that's
remotely similar is the Schaefer Equipment Co. of Pittsburgh, which
made a variety of brake rods, levers, and other brake fittings. Could
that be it?

Richard Hendrickson

On May 29, 2007, at 5:40 AM, Douglas Harding wrote:

Here is a website showing how someone built their own:
http://www.letterhead.com/steps/hines/

I have a home made sandblasting booth, made mostly with scrap
materials, that was described some years ago in an article in Railmodel
Journal.

Richard Hendrickson

Save your self $90 bucks and make your own.<

HF often has half price sales (just a little more than a resin freight car kit) and their cabinets are no exception. You may have to wait some. I bought one of their steel blasting cabinets (94978) on sale, set it on it's side, and with a couple of mods it's my painting booth. By the way there is a nice cover for it on sale now for $2.50.
All items being discussed are all tools for our freight cars, right<G>!

Jon Miller
AT&SF
For me time has stopped in 1941
Digitrax, Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI user
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS

The concept of yin and yang, opposites creating a oneness. Chinese
metaphysics. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

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Port Washington, WI 53074
262-284-5566
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Here is a website showing how someone built their own:
http://www.letterhead.com/steps/hines/

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

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10:47 AM

You may try Ebay and some of the forums out there, I
have heard of Seaboard-Atlantic Coast Line groups and
forums, but can't find the links right now.

Might try ACL-SAL-SCLmodeler@..., it's off and on, but helpful
people on the subject.

Frank Valoczy

Stefan,
Unfortunately I have no sets to part with right now. I
went on a splurge many years ago finding single Champ
Sets that were being discontinued. I managed to just
get 1 of each of the ones in question.

You may try Ebay and some of the forums out there, I
have heard of Seaboard-Atlantic Coast Line groups and
forums, but can't find the links right now.

Rich
--- stefanelaine <stefanelaine@...> wrote:

Rich,
Thanks very much for that! It looks like I'll have
to keep an eye out
for HB-31. Anyone want to part with one or two sets?
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...>
wrote:

Stefan,

Here is the list of the heralds in the Champ Sets,
some are still available on their website:

HB-7 Route Of The Robert E. Lee
HB-8 The Route Of Courteous Service
HB-13 Route Of The Silver Meteor
HB-31 Silver Comet

http://www.minot.com/~champ/

I know Walthers made several sets, but I don't

have

that info handy at the moment.

Rich Christie
--- stefanelaine <stefanelaine@...> wrote:

Thanks, but Ted's excellent decal only has the
Silver Meteor slogan.
Been there...Can anyone confirm what slogan

Champ

HB-8 has?
thanks
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., destron@ wrote:

Doesn't the Speedwitch SAL set have these in

it? I

think it does...
it has

the Robert E Lee slogan, I'd be surprised if

it

didn't have these.

Frank Valoczy,
New Westminster, BC

Looking for HO Seaboard Air Line decals with

the

"Silver Comet" or

"Silver Star" slogan for 24300-499,

24800-999

and 25300-499 PS-1

boxcar series built from 1948-52. Everyone

makes

the "Meteor" slogan

for other cars, but I can't find these two

at

the usual suspects. Any

ideas?
Thanks in advance
Stefan Lerche'
Duncan, BC




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In the 1920s several railway appliance manufacturers offered mechanisms
for multiplying the power applied by the brake chain that wound around
the bottom of the vertical staff, thus providing additional braking
power. The two whose names ended with "...co" were Gemco and Ureco
(Union Railway Equipment Co.). I'd vote for Ureco.

Looked at it again, it's certainly not Ureco; the "co" bit was a guess;
the initial "Sh" I'm almost 100% on... looking again, hmm. Was there
anything like Shearer or Sheaver?

Frank Valoczy

Save your self $90 bucks and make your own. Use a clear (or almost clear) plastic storage tub. Two 4 inch screw together PVC pipe sections, I think they are for some sort of clean out- total length of the pair is about 6 inches. Playtex rubber gloves , the long ones - in your size and a piece of clear plexiglass about 2 inches bigger than the raised portion of the storage tub. Cut two holes in the long side of the tub about half way between the bottom and the top and about shoulder with ( yours) apart. These holes are for the PVC pipe parts. One half inside and the outer outside and screw together thru the bin side. . stretch the rubber glove over the pipe and secure with a zip tie (oh ya forgot about that, you will need two zip ties)
Take the lid for the bin and cut out the raised portion of the top and place the plexiglass over the opening and run duct tape around the edge to seal the plexi to the top. Makes it easier later to remove and replace the plexi if it gets too scared up. I just drape the air line in under the top and blast away. Outside is better for the light but you can play around with different lights as you see fit. Charlie A.

On May 28, 2007, at 3:01 PM, destron@... wrote:

In the Winter '05 issue of the AC&Y HS "News" there is a reprint of
the
report to the ICC covering the sale of the P&N's 24000-series boxcars
to
the AC&Y; this has detailed information on the car, including the
brakes.
However, I can't quite make out the handwriting there - perhaps
someone
would know what it says? What I'd like to know is the brake wheel
type.
The text reads (I've put quotes around the words I can't quite make
out):

Brake mast and racket -
Make: AAR 1 1/4"
Type: "Shearco (Sheavco?)" wheel and chain for additional "b....g"
power

Photos show these cars with vertical staff hand brakes, which were
required by AAR rules to have a staff diameter of 1-1/4", so that's
obviously what the first line refers to.

In the 1920s several railway appliance manufacturers offered mechanisms
for multiplying the power applied by the brake chain that wound around
the bottom of the vertical staff, thus providing additional braking
power. The two whose names ended with "...co" were Gemco and Ureco
(Union Railway Equipment Co.). I'd vote for Ureco.

Richard Hendrickson

Dean

The earliest picture I have of a Monad on a NP car is May, 1928 shot in
Everett. I have uploaded the pictures to the photos section. The 5000
series 50' cars were built in 1926 with a small Monad on the door.

Since I am moderated it will take a bit to be blessed before you can view
the photos.

Gene Deimling

Los Gatos, CA



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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dean
Payne
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 7:58 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: NP monad symbol, (was: Prototype verification, or not)



This might help a little (?) better: Wikipedia defines it like this:
"Monad is an English term meaning "one," "single," or "unit,"
especially in technical contexts."

http://en.wikipedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad> .org/wiki/Monad

So the monad symbol is a symbol of oneness, I guess.
Why use it on the NP? From http://www.moclips.
<http://www.moclips.org/news/issue1-3.php> org/news/issue1-3.php

"E.H. McHenry, chief engineer of the Northern Pacific, saw the design
on the Korean flag at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. The Northern
Pacific was searching for a trademark and McHenry realized this was
it. After returning to St. Paul he and Charles Fee, general passenger
aent for the NP, worked out the final design."
Richard Hendrickson told me that the earliest use he can document of
the small monad heralds dates from 1940.

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> com, Tim O'Connor
<timboconnor@...> wrote:

This might help... or not. :-)

http://www.triz-

<http://www.triz-journal.com/archives/2002/06/d/index.htm>
journal.com/archives/2002/06/d/index.htm

OK, I finally have to ask. What's a monad? Thanks in advance for

educating me!

Todd K. Stearns

This might help a little (?) better: Wikipedia defines it like this:
"Monad is an English term meaning "one," "single," or "unit,"
especially in technical contexts."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad

So the monad symbol is a symbol of oneness, I guess.
Why use it on the NP? From http://www.moclips.org/news/issue1-3.php

"E.H. McHenry, chief engineer of the Northern Pacific, saw the design
on the Korean flag at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair. The Northern
Pacific was searching for a trademark and McHenry realized this was
it. After returning to St. Paul he and Charles Fee, general passenger
aent for the NP, worked out the final design."
Richard Hendrickson told me that the earliest use he can document of
the small monad heralds dates from 1940.

Dean Payne

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:

This might help... or not. :-)

http://www.triz-journal.com/archives/2002/06/d/index.htm

OK, I finally have to ask. What's a monad? Thanks in advance for

educating me!

Todd K. Stearns

Rich,
Thanks very much for that! It looks like I'll have to keep an eye out
for HB-31. Anyone want to part with one or two sets?
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., Rich C <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Stefan,

Here is the list of the heralds in the Champ Sets,
some are still available on their website:

HB-7 Route Of The Robert E. Lee
HB-8 The Route Of Courteous Service
HB-13 Route Of The Silver Meteor
HB-31 Silver Comet

http://www.minot.com/~champ/

I know Walthers made several sets, but I don't have
that info handy at the moment.

Rich Christie
--- stefanelaine <stefanelaine@...> wrote:

Thanks, but Ted's excellent decal only has the
Silver Meteor slogan.
Been there...Can anyone confirm what slogan Champ
HB-8 has?
thanks
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., destron@ wrote:

Doesn't the Speedwitch SAL set have these in it? I

think it does...
it has

the Robert E Lee slogan, I'd be surprised if it

didn't have these.

Frank Valoczy,
New Westminster, BC

Looking for HO Seaboard Air Line decals with the

"Silver Comet" or

"Silver Star" slogan for 24300-499, 24800-999

and 25300-499 PS-1

boxcar series built from 1948-52. Everyone makes

the "Meteor" slogan

for other cars, but I can't find these two at

the usual suspects. Any

ideas?
Thanks in advance
Stefan Lerche'
Duncan, BC




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Thanks to all of you who, both on and off line, have given me tips about
accessing the Hastings photo collection at CSRM. I'm looking forward to
this expedient till I can get there in person some day!



Rob Kirkham

Now that is a very good idea - I think I can sell that around home here.

But I need the photo much sooner than that!

Regards

Rob