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Re: Question - AAR car type codes.

Ian Cranstone
 

On 4-Jun-07, at 6:31 PM, Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
It was out there a year ago, with versions from several different
years, but couldn't find it in a Google search. HAd trouble with the
google search last time and had to use some non-obvious query, which
unfortunately I've forgotten.
There are doubtless others, but my effort can be found at:

www.nakina.net/aartype.html

Ian Cranstone
Osgoode, Ontario, Canada
lamontc@...
http://freightcars.nakina.net
http://siberians.nakina.net


Re: Question - AAR car type codes.

Richard Dermody <ddermody@...>
 

Malcom,

The "butterdish" cars were AAR "BMT" cars.

Dick

On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Malcolm Laughlin wrote:



For the moment, if someone can give me a quick answer to my question,
I'd like to know the car type of the Borden milk tank cars - the ones
that looked like an upside down batghtub.


Re: Pat O'Boyle

Albert & Charlene Spor
 

Sorry to hear of his passing. I for one have been awaiting a book on FGE, is there a chance that someone else can finish the book for all the freight car historians out there?
Albert Spor


Re: Question - AAR car type codes.

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Of course, EARLY in the 20th century it wasn't yet the AAR <g>.
The MCB oversaw the type descriptions before WW I. They are in any
ORER of the period.

It is the MCB codes that I'm talking about. The system was
administered by the AAR in the late steam era. They were superseded
by a four character alph(1)-numneric(3) code that was better suited
for computerization, but after our era.

I'm not aware of a website with them.
It was out there a year ago, with versions from several different
years, but couldn't find it in a Google search. HAd trouble with the
google search last time and had to use some non-obvious query, which
unfortunately I've forgotten.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Question - AAR car type codes.

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Malcolm Laughlin wrote:
Somewhere out there is cyberspace is a web site that has the AAR car type codes as of various dates from early in the 20th century. Can someone give me a reference to that site ?
Of course, EARLY in the 20th century it wasn't yet the AAR <g>. The MCB oversaw the type descriptions before WW I. They are in any ORER of the period. I'm not aware of a website with them.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Question - AAR car type codes.

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Somewhere out there is cyberspace is a web site that has the AAR car
type codes as of various dates from early in the 20th century. Can
someone give me a reference to that site ?

That's something that a list like this really ought to have a link to,
so if someone gives me the url, I'll add it to our links.

For the moment, if someone can give me a quick answer to my question,
I'd like to know the car type of the Borden milk tank cars - the ones
that looked like an upside down batghtub.


Ambroid Stock Car Heritage

parkvarieties <parkvarieties@...>
 

Can anyone tell me the protoype railroad(s) for the Ambroid double
deck stock car (kit K-2)? Thanks.
Frank Brua


New Yahoo Group and Web Site

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

All,

Have set up a new Yahoo Group to replace "TheVLBG Group".
This is not designed to compete with any existing Group.
My previous Group had suffered from a lack of direction
and am trying to get focused.

Main purpose of Group will be as a feedback and discussion
area for the www.19main.com Web Site which should come back
on line towards the middle of June.

http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/rail_freight_group/

Going to try and stick to a early 20's to mid 90's time
frame. Yes, that is a big chunk of time but it's designed
to avoid the BNSF period. There will not be any BNSF content
on the Web Site.

Have a lifetime's worth of documents and images. It's time to
get them out there where they can be accessed. This includes,
but is not limited to: drawings, diagrams, photos, timetables,
track charts, and train consists.

Russ


Rock Island Reweigh Symbols

asychis <asychis@...>
 

Hi, Wondering if anyone knows what MG and WY stand for as Rock Island
reweigh stations? I have the excellent file posted on the site that
has these for a lot of railroads, but these two are not listed.

Thanks!

Jerry Michels


Running board question

Matt S.
 

Group,

Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a GN 12
panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???

Thanks,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft Worth, TX


Re: Carmer Cut Lever & Klasing Brake Lever

Walter M. Clark
 

Rich,

IMHO Al Westerfield's Carmer cut lever from his USRA Single Sheathed
Box Car looks a whole bunch better than Martin Lofton's at Sunshine.
I emailed him one time about buying extras and he replied the guy who
made the masters retained the rights to the cut lever because he was
planning on marketing them himself. Haven't seen them yet. I use a
lot of that car on my (projected) layout and there's always one or two
usable extras which I keep for other uses<g>. Now if you need a bunch
of USRA SS boxes or know someone who does....

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., "Rich Christie" <rhcdmc@...> wrote:

Elden just reminded me of a couple of other items that should be
manufactured and to us, with easier availability.

1. Carmer cut levers (I have seen Sunshine has made these)

2. Klasing vertical brake lever (As seen on the War Emergency Gons)

But would be nice if another player made both of these.

Rich Christie
Near Railtown 1897 Jamestown CA


Re: Detail parts availability?

Walter M. Clark
 

Elden,

Precision Scale has an HO scale Miner Ideal lever handled brake
assembly in their Catalog #3. It says it's for tender/caboose so I'm
not sure it will meet your needs. I've had the catalog for at least
five or six years (maybe more) and the price for this is $2.50 ea.
It's part number HO-3567. I remember reading somewhere last year that
they've moved. Their website is http://www.precisionscaleco.com/

Walter M. Clark
Time stopped in November 1941
Riverside, California

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD "
<Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Does anyone on the list know of the availability of any of the following
detail parts in HO scale?



1) Early Equipco brake wheel (the one with holes in the center
ring,
not triangular cut-outs)?

2) Lever handled brake assembly (other than the Ajax in the
P2K gon
kits, or the one on the Tichy sprue)?

3) Two-step,w/angled bottom step - stirrup steps?

4) Superior brake wheel?

5) Klasing (vertical) brake wheel? Any?

6) NICE 8-rung ladders?

7) Early (but long version) "pre-war" Y-town 7' door, in both the
raised splice joint and the depressed splice joint versions?

8) The above, but with the early center/bottom rocker handle?

9) 40' overhanging diagonal panel roof?

10) Straight-taper fixed Dreadnaught Gondola ends?



Oh, also, is Detail Associates still making all their parts, or just
certain
ones?



Thanks for any help!



Elden Gatwood





Re: Pat O'Boyle

Eugene Deimling <losgatos48@...>
 

Art

Sorry to hear of Pat's passing. He was a relentless researcher of the
prototype. It is too bad he didn't get to accomplish more in his lifetime.




Gene Deimling





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abmarr2
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 12:40 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Pat O'Boyle



Freight car researchers and modelers have lost a great resourse. Pat
O'Boyle passed away after a year long fight with a terminal Illness.

Pat founded Pacific Limited and imported some of the best researched
and finest built brass freight cars in O scale.

Those that knew Pat will regonize the importance of our loss. His
knowledge of FGE and freight cars in general was overwheliming. He was
hoping to finish his manuscript for his FGE book and was well along on
its completion. He also had plans to do other freight car books as well
but it was not to be. Hopefully his research materials and photo
collection can be saved and donated to an appropreate organization or
place.

I have lost a very good friend as has the hobby.

Art Marr
Reno, NV


Re: True Line Trains CN Box Cars

ajfergusonca <ajferguson@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...> wrote:

Judging by the reweigh/repaint dates on these photos, am I correct
to assume that the scheme with no leaf was in effect in 1948, the
white maple leaf in 1951, and the green leaf in 1954? Are more
specific dates for the changeovers available?

1.No leaves were applied earlier than 1943
2.The white leaves were applied 1943, 1944
3.The green leaf with tilted wafer serves all canada 1945-1954
4.the green leaf with horiz wafer serves all canada 1954-1961
5.the green leaf with tilted horiz wafer canada's largest railway
1945/1946
6.The noodle was post '61

The reweigh dates were not picked to be the earliest use but to hit
the maximum number of modelers. The car would not have been
repainted during a reweigh thus most white leaf cars were unchanged
(except for the reweigh) for 10 or more years after inital painting.
etc etc

Allen Ferguson


Pat O'Boyle

abmarr2
 

Freight car researchers and modelers have lost a great resourse. Pat
O'Boyle passed away after a year long fight with a terminal Illness.

Pat founded Pacific Limited and imported some of the best researched
and finest built brass freight cars in O scale.

Those that knew Pat will regonize the importance of our loss. His
knowledge of FGE and freight cars in general was overwheliming. He was
hoping to finish his manuscript for his FGE book and was well along on
its completion. He also had plans to do other freight car books as well
but it was not to be. Hopefully his research materials and photo
collection can be saved and donated to an appropreate organization or
place.

I have lost a very good friend as has the hobby.

Art Marr
Reno, NV


Frisco Tank Cars - Type 7

proto48er
 

Guys -

I need the help of a REAL Frisco historian here!

We are researching ACF Type 7 (MCB Class II) tank cars. Frisco
purchased 500 of these cars from ACF in two lots back in 1909. Each
lot consisted of 250 cars of 10,000 gallon capacity.

The first group were numbered #19075-#190324, and the second group
were numbered #190325-#190574. All were Frisco cars.

As of March of 1915, the first group contained 246 cars, and the
second contained 246 cars also. By September of 1919, the same
number series contained only 15 and 60 cars respectively! (69 of
these 75 cars were still on the roster in April of 1948).

Actual car numbers diminished as follows, for the first and second
number series respectively, as follows: 3/1915 - 246 and 246;
7/1916 - 238 and 236; 8/1917 - 137 and 141; and 1/1918 - 51 and 54.
By 9/1919, there were only 75 cars total left!

What happened to them? Wherever they went, they left the SL-SF in
substantial numbers between 7/1916 and 9/1919. Did they get
repossessed by the builder? Did they go to some on-line oil refinery?

I am NO expert on the breakup of the Frisco, but by examining ORER's,
they apparently did not go to the CRI&P, C&EI or GCL. I have all
four of Allhand's (he was the contractor who built the GCL and other
Frisco lines) books, but there were no clues in them as to what
happened to these cars.

I appreciate any help you can give on this matter. A manufacturer's
website will have some of this history, along with photos, soon!

A.T. Kott


Re: True Line Trains CN Box Cars

LOUIS WHITELEY <octoraro1@...>
 

Judging by the reweigh/repaint dates on these photos, am I correct to assume that the scheme with no leaf was in effect in 1948, the white maple leaf in 1951, and the green leaf in 1954? Are more specific dates for the changeovers available?

Lou Whiteley
Lawrenceville, NJ

John Golden <golden1014@...> wrote:
Gentlemen,

I got an electronic flyer from True Line Trains this
week announcing delivery of their CN all-steel box car
models. I haven't heard any mention of the cars on
this list, so I thought I'd pass the link along for
your information and/or review. Here's the catalog
listing from Canadian Model Trains:

http://www.modeltrains.com/WEB%20-%20CMT/True%20Line%20Trains/HO/true-line-trains-canadian-national.htm

Here's a link to one of the cars, with no herald:
http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-300000-1%20copy.jpg

Here's a link to one of the cars with the Maple Leaf
herald:
http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-300004-1%20copy.jpg

And here's a link to one of the cars with a green
Maple Leaf:
http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-300008-1%20copy.jpg

They're also offering an interesting paint
scheme--I've never seen a prototype car with this
scheme:
http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-300011-1%20copy.jpg

John

John Golden
O'Fallon, IL

http://www.pbase.com/golden1014


Re: New Canadian Model Trains box car

oliver
 

I would disagree Tim. The lettering looks fine to my eyes. Also note
that the CN on the doors needs to be removed as this was not present
on the steel cars owned by CN.
cheers
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


Some people commented that the lettering was very washed out
looking, and I think so too. There was an Ontario Northland car
too and the lettering was somewhat better (more opaque white).
I hope they'll release some undec models.
Tim


Very nice looking car.

Brian J Carlson P.E.
Cheektowaga NY

Rob, the message preceeding Tim's was the notification that the
photo
had been placed in the STMFC Files area. The URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/files/P1010084.JPG

Tom Madden


Re: True Line Trains CN Box Cars

oliver
 

Of which there were only three IIRC.
Stefan

--- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:


John Riddell mentioned this "paint" scheme was for prototype cars
made with aluminum sides.


They're also offering an interesting paint
scheme--I've never seen a prototype car with this
scheme:
http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-300011-1%20copy.jpg

John Golden


Re: True Line Trains CN Box Cars

Tim O'Connor
 

John Riddell mentioned this "paint" scheme was for prototype cars
made with aluminum sides.

They're also offering an interesting paint
scheme--I've never seen a prototype car with this
scheme:
http://www.modeltrains.com/PICTURES/PICTURES%20-%20Non-brass-1/True%20Line%20Trains/TLT-300011-1%20copy.jpg

John Golden

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