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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

proto48er
 

Tony -

We saw a lot of the SP diamond "S" tank cars down in San Antonio -
Houston area. However, I never did realize that they were associated
with sugar production at Sugar Land. They may have been in water
service in that configuration here too.

MoP subsidiary Sugar Land RR rostered some raised running board tank
cars {SLD #100-#154} (not ACF Type 7's, however) with low domes and
very small safety vent valves that were in sugar service there. A
couple of them later became auxiliary water cars for steam locos.

I know nothing about a facility at Arlington! Did not realize that
Arlington, Tx was even near a T&NO line.

A.T. Kott


--- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

.... Yes. I have photos at Spreckels (note spelling), and I
understand they were used by Imperial Sugar at Sugar Land, Texas
also,
and by an ASRX facility at Arlington (does anyone know about the
latter?).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Russ Strodtz wrote:
Ah, a fine point you have made. The CB&Q had hundreds of hoppers with crude stenciling "Beet Service Only". Does anyone think that if they were short on coal hoppers that they would not be used for coal?
Quite right, and well put. But the point here is a bit more subtle. The SP put the large white diamond on the dome, with a letter "S" inside it, whenever cars had been modified to be CAPABLE of use in liquid sugar service. They ALSO stenciled under the car number if the car was for "liquid sugar loading only," and as you say, the latter restriction might not always be followed. My point was that the diamond-S emblem by itself was NOT a restriction in any case.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Running board question (for 12p box cars)

Tim O'Connor
 

Russ I'm sure many of us are interested in these cars -- I have
about 6 unbuilt kits and I'd love to know what running boards,
handbrakes, and trucks to use on any of the 12 panel cars for
GN as well as SP&S. I know there was more than one group of
cars with slightly different details.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Russ Strodtz" <sheridan@...>
Matt,

Exactly what number series are you interested in?

Russ
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, 06 June, 2007 14:05
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Running board question


In RP Cyc Vol 8, there's an excellent article about 10'-0" IH
postwar
cars with a detailed roster including the GN cars. With few
exceptions, GN used Morton, Gypsum and Apex RBs on all series of
these cars, so, take your pick! There's a picture of 18368 with
what
appears to be an Apex RB. Author Ed Hawkins lists "Great
Northern 40'
Steel Box Cars" GNRHS Ref Sheet #61 as a reference. -you may
find
more specific info there.

-Tony Higgins

--- In STMFC@..., "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@...>
wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a
GN 12
> panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Sugerman,
> Ft Worth, TX
>





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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Tony,

Ah, a fine point you have made. The CB&Q had hundreds of
hoppers with crude stenciling "Beet Service Only". Does
anyone think that if they were short on coal hoppers that
they would not be used for coal?

The same would be true of drop bottom gons.

At times I thought the only reason burlap bags were made is
to plug holes in the sides of composite built cars.

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Thompson
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, 06 June, 2007 14:45
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s


> Garth G. Groff wrote:
>> SP "diamond-s" tanks were frequently seen at the C&H sugar
refinery
>> at Crockett, California. It is my understanding that they
were
>> restricted to liquid sugar service . . .

I replied:
> True, and they were so stenciled for a number of
years.

Let me clarify. This should not be taken to mean that ALL
of the
"diamond-S" cars were restricted, only that those stenciled with
a
restriction notice (such as "for liquid sugar loading only")
were
restricted. The diamond-S emblem on the dome by itself only
meant that
the car COULD be used for liquid sugar, and most assuredly did
NOT mean
that the car was necessarily IN sugar service.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705
www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail,
thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Running board question

Russ Strodtz <sheridan@...>
 

Matt,

Exactly what number series are you interested in?

Russ

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Higgins
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, 06 June, 2007 14:05
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Running board question


In RP Cyc Vol 8, there's an excellent article about 10'-0" IH
postwar
cars with a detailed roster including the GN cars. With few
exceptions, GN used Morton, Gypsum and Apex RBs on all series of
these cars, so, take your pick! There's a picture of 18368 with
what
appears to be an Apex RB. Author Ed Hawkins lists "Great
Northern 40'
Steel Box Cars" GNRHS Ref Sheet #61 as a reference. -you may
find
more specific info there.

-Tony Higgins

--- In STMFC@..., "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@...>
wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a
GN 12
> panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Sugerman,
> Ft Worth, TX
>





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Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Garth G. Groff wrote:
SP "diamond-s" tanks were frequently seen at the C&H sugar refinery at Crockett, California. It is my understanding that they were restricted to liquid sugar service . . .
I replied:
True, and they were so stenciled for a number of years.
Let me clarify. This should not be taken to mean that ALL of the "diamond-S" cars were restricted, only that those stenciled with a restriction notice (such as "for liquid sugar loading only") were restricted. The diamond-S emblem on the dome by itself only meant that the car COULD be used for liquid sugar, and most assuredly did NOT mean that the car was necessarily IN sugar service.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Garth G. Groff wrote:
SP "diamond-s" tanks were frequently seen at the C&H sugar refinery at Crockett, California. It is my understanding that they were restricted to liquid sugar service . . .
True, and they were so stenciled for a number of years.

Molasses I know nothing about. I wonder if they were used by other SP-served sugar refiners, say Spreckles or Holly?
Yes. I have photos at Spreckels (note spelling), and I understand they were used by Imperial Sugar at Sugar Land, Texas also, and by an ASRX facility at Arlington (does anyone know about the latter?).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Running board question

Tony Higgins
 

In RP Cyc Vol 8, there's an excellent article about 10'-0" IH postwar
cars with a detailed roster including the GN cars. With few
exceptions, GN used Morton, Gypsum and Apex RBs on all series of
these cars, so, take your pick! There's a picture of 18368 with what
appears to be an Apex RB. Author Ed Hawkins lists "Great Northern 40'
Steel Box Cars" GNRHS Ref Sheet #61 as a reference. -you may find
more specific info there.

-Tony Higgins

--- In STMFC@..., "Matt Sugerman" <camas74@...> wrote:

Group,

Does anyone know what type of running board is correct for a GN 12
panel 10'0" boxcar, like the intermountain kit???

Thanks,
Matt Sugerman,
Ft Worth, TX


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jun 6, 2007, at 10:26 AM, timboconnor@... wrote:

I think Sid Richardson produces carbon black.
True in the '50s, and Sid Richardson also operated a sizable fleet of
ICC-105 LPG cars leased (IIRC) from General American (I have photos
somewhere but don't have time to look for them right now). No tank
cars suitable for molasses service, however.

Those famous SP tank cars with the big diamond S on the dome
were in liquid sugar/molasses service.
But not, AFAIK, in Texas; Tony may have more information on this, but
it's my understanding that they were essentially in captive service to
the big C&H sugar refinery in Crockett, CA.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim and Tony:

SP "diamond-s" tanks were frequently seen at the C&H sugar refinery at Crockett, California. It is my understanding that they were restricted to liquid sugar service (from memory here, based on what I remember from Richard Hendrickson's RMJ article on kitbashing one of these cars). Molasses I know nothing about. I wonder if they were used by other SP-served sugar refiners, say Spreckles or Holly? I used to work across the street from Holly Sugar in Santa Ana, but don't remember seeing any of these cars there.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

Anthony Thompson wrote:

Tim O'Connor wrote:

Those famous SP tank cars with the big diamond S on the dome were in liquid sugar/molasses service.
I didn't know about the molasses part, Tim. Are you sure?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Tim O'Connor
 

Tony

No, I'm not sure. I just assumed so, since molasses is a precursor
in the sugar refining process. But if you don't know, then no one does
except perhaps the mysterious Bill Kelly :-)

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
Those famous SP tank cars with the big diamond S on the dome were in
liquid sugar/molasses service.
I didn't know about the molasses part, Tim. Are you sure?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
Those famous SP tank cars with the big diamond S on the dome were in liquid sugar/molasses service.
I didn't know about the molasses part, Tim. Are you sure?

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Tim O'Connor
 

I think Sid Richardson produces carbon black.

Those famous SP tank cars with the big diamond S on the dome
were in liquid sugar/molasses service.

Tim

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "matthewjstrickland" <matthewjstrickland@...>
Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me which type of tank cars were used to transport
molasses to and from refineries in Louisana in the 1950s?

Were any specific road names used eg UTLX , GATX, Sid Richardson?

Thanks in advance for your help

MATT


Re: representing cast steel

Eric
 

Funny you brought this up. I was reading Tamiya's magazine last night
and they were talking about this product.

It's called cast-a-coat. Here's a review of it.

http://misc.kitreview.com/tools/castacoatreviewcs_1.htm

You might want to try it.

Also, Krylon which you mentioned has several different textured
paints. Make It Stone! Metallic Textured Paints, Fusion for Plastic
Fusion Hammered, Krylon Contractor Tread & Grip, Krylon Rust Tough
Hamm-R Finishes. I'm not sure of their suitability for models. They
might be far too coarse. Check their website, Krylon.com


Eric Petersson




Bud Rindfleischwrote:

"Well, OK, my caboose question from a week or so ago was probably
sent to the wrong list, so am trying this "modeling" question. Has
anyone tried to simulate the rough finish of cast steel on styrene? I
saw a couple Krylon spray paints that might have some potential in
their "Fusion" line. Made to spray on plastics, one is just a texture
and the other more of a mottled finish, forget what they call it
offhand. I realize that Krylon is not your average modeler's paint
source so am looking to see if anyone else tried a better way. BTW,
I'm trying to represent a cast steel tender underframe as used on (oh,
oh, here's that caboose word again)a Lackawanna 900 series steel
caboose......as used in the steam era behind steam era freight cars."


Re: Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Matt Strickland wrote:
Can anyone tell me which type of tank cars were used to transport molasses to and from refineries in Louisana in the 1950s?
I'm sure it could be an ICC 103, though if molasses is an "unregulated commodity" it could be an AAR 203 also.

Were any specific road names used eg UTLX , GATX, Sid Richardson?
Richardson was an oil company AFAIK, so probably not that. In the 1950s UTLX was not yet much into leasing other than petroleum products, so much more likely GATX, maybe cars under lease to a company with its name on the car. And don't forget SHPX and NATX, also active at that time in finding lessees. Hopefully someone will know specifically about Louisiana.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Molasses in Tank Cars in the 1950s

matt
 

Hi Guys,

Can anyone tell me which type of tank cars were used to transport
molasses to and from refineries in Louisana in the 1950s?

Were any specific road names used eg UTLX , GATX, Sid Richardson?

Thanks in advance for your help

MATT


Re: Detail parts availability?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Thank you, Dennis!



Elden



________________________________

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Dennis Storzek
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:35 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Detail parts availability?



--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD "
<Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:


2) Lever handled brake assembly (other than the Ajax in the
P2K gon
kits, or the one on the Tichy sprue)?
We tooled a Miner drop handle lever and brake for the Accurail USRA
twin hopper. We got so many complaints about the small part that I
eventually burned it into the body cavity, but the separate dainty
little part is still on the parts sprue, first part from the sprue
bushing.

Dennis


Re: Decals for Helium tank cars.

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Thanks Richard,

Peter
=====

Richard Hendrickson wrote:

On Jun 5, 2007, at 2:57 PM, Peter J. McClosky wrote:

Does anyone know where I can fine HO scale decals for either the U.S.
Navy or MHAX Helium car?
Peter, Jay Miller in Dallas will be presenting a well researched clinic
on the helium cars at the Santa Fe Historical & Modeling Society
convention in Oklahoma City later this month, andit is my understanding
that he is planning to have decals made. You can e-mail him at
<jay@... <mailto:jay%40kk5im.com>>.

Richard Hendrickson



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Re: Detail parts availability?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Thanks, Tim!



Elden




Detail Associates makes 8-rung ladders for 10'6" cars (DA 6241). Out
of stock at Walthers. Red Caboose also tooled 8-rung ladders for their
10'6" ex-Front Range box cars, part #8700-03, also out of stock at the
manufacturer.

Here is a lever brake from Detail Associates -- I think it was tooled
for modern intermodal cars but it may be adaptable for other uses.
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6238
<http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6238>

You can shorten a 50' ZU eave roof to make a 40' version. :-) The only
40' versions are made for reefers.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Detail parts availability?

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Thanks, Ron!



________________________________

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
rxensen
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:58 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Detail parts availability?



--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden J SAD " <Elden.J.Gatwood@...> wrote:

Does anyone on the list know of the availability of any of the following
detail parts in HO scale?
4) Superior brake wheel?
The superior brake is available on the CNWHS store
http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/ <http://www.cnwhs.org/shopping/>
Ron Christensen

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