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Re: Cars that shouldn't be in Kline & Culotta's book

Tim O'Connor
 

Catlettsburg is where the Big Sandy River empties into the Ohio River just west
of Huntington WV and right near Ashland KY. Big confluence of coal roads there.

Where those VGN hoppers came from I dunno. There still is a line that comes
north to cross the C&O at a place called Deep Water along the Kanawha east
of Charleston. I think this was an N&W line, and it connected to the NYC on the
other side of the river. But looking at an aerial photo it looks like there was a
sizable interchange yard there along the C&O mainline. So my guess is that
those VGN hoppers came via that line and were interchanged to the C&O at
Deep Water.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...>
Referring to perhaps unusual consists of foreign road hopper cars, C&O Power by
Staufer shows on pg 97 a long string of Virginian hoppers being pulled by C&O
2759 through Catlettsburg, KY [ wonder where that is? ]. The caption notes that
prior to the N&W merger with Virginian, C&O ran a daily train of VGN MTies out
of Russell bound for coal field interchange at Gilbert Yard, WV.
Of course, this is not saying that the VGN cars received coal from mines off VGN
tracks.
Mike Brock


Re: Cars that shouldn't be in Kline & Culotta's book

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

Referring to perhaps unusual consists of foreign road hopper cars, C&O Power by Staufer shows on pg 97 a long string of Virginian hoppers being pulled by C&O 2759 through Catlettsburg, KY [ wonder where that is? ]. The caption notes that prior to the N&W merger with Virginian, C&O ran a daily train of VGN MTies out of Russell bound for coal field interchange at Gilbert Yard, WV.

Of course, this is not saying that the VGN cars received coal from mines off VGN tracks.

Mike Brock


Re: [PRRPro] decals

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

Simply NOT true!!

I grew in in the San Fernando Valley (1951 - 1957), and about 6 miles
north of Taylor Yard (SP, Los Angeles) (1957 - 1966), and NEVER SAW A
PENNSY car!

I have seen two pictures of Pennsy cars in Taylor yard, but I never saw
one, and I spent a of of time looking at trains those days!

Peter J. McClosky
======
Gatwood, Elden J SAD wrote:

Jerry;

We can ignore that standard RR of the world BS and cut to the chase;
everyone
needs to model the PRR accurately because you model everything else so
accurately, and because the PRR had such huge numbers of cars in
interchange.
You need a bunch. Period.
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Re: FGEX wood reefers from Accurail kits?

Pieter Roos
 

Hi Don;

Bill's RMJ article was an overview with discussion of the two main
FEGX designs (and lost of pictures). You might consider checking the
NMRA library for a copy of just the article. The two articles in Ted's
PRMJ concern BREX cars and truss rod cars respectively and do not
provide as complete an overview of FEGX, although there is a good deal
of general information.

I'll try tonight to look at the my copy of the RMJ article as it had
the number info that Kurt wanted.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

Thanks Pieter, for the info. Although, I've had bad luck trying to
find articles in RMJ and in MRC. Some have wanted as much for a old
mag. as some books cost....
But, I can get Ted's book. It should be available.
Thanks again
Don Worthy

pieter_roos <pieter_roos@...> wrote:
Don, Kurt;

You want to find this article by Bill Welch:

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40

Also both volumes of Ted Cullota's Prototype Railroad Modeling journal
have articles (also by Bill) on parts of the BREX/WFE/FEGX fleet.

Those, plus the B& Modeler article and the six examples on the Steam
Era Freight Car site should allow kitbashing of basic Accurail reefer
to be close to a number of FEGX designs.

Pieter Roos


Re: FGEX wood reefers

mjmcguirk@...
 

Now Richard, be fair . . . Garth didn't specify which year . . .

Seriously, I've had a complete (or fairly complete) set of parts for the better part of two years now . . . guess I'll just build them and have the ones I need.


Marty


Re: FGEX wood reefers

Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Garth G. Groff wrote:

Peter, Kurt, and Don,

Don't forget that Intermountain is supposed to have FGEX wood reefers
out by the end of the year.
Yes, Garth, and if you believe that I can make you a fantastic deal on
the Golden Gate Bridge.

Richard Hendrickson


Re: FGEX wood reefers from Accurail kits?

Don Worthy
 

Thanks Pieter, for the info. Although, I've had bad luck trying to find articles in RMJ and in MRC. Some have wanted as much for a old mag. as some books cost....
But, I can get Ted's book. It should be available.
Thanks again
Don Worthy

pieter_roos <pieter_roos@...> wrote:
Don, Kurt;

You want to find this article by Bill Welch:

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40

Also both volumes of Ted Cullota's Prototype Railroad Modeling journal
have articles (also by Bill) on parts of the BREX/WFE/FEGX fleet.

Those, plus the B& Modeler article and the six examples on the Steam
Era Freight Car site should allow kitbashing of basic Accurail reefer
to be close to a number of FEGX designs.

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@..., Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

Kurt, I'm sure glad you brought up the FGEX cars. I need a string of
them as I'm modeling the Central of Georgia and Southern railways.
These cars show up in most any photos of my target railways.
I'd seen a couple of model shots on Steam Era Freight Car site but
the info was very skippy. The only info I got from it was that the Red
Caboose car was used in that project.
I, too, am in need of info about these cars.
I've come up with photos of several FGEX cars that seem to be of
different height and other such things. It would help me so much if
the measurements of the various type cars that they "seemed" to have
had could be made available.
Kurt lets keep each other informed of any info that can be found.
I'll gladly show you some of these shots that I've found. OFF line of
course.

Thanks
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga. at dworthy57@...

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...> wrote:
In the Mar/Apr 2007 issue of the B&O Modeler

http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/BO_Modeler_3_2007_MarApr.pdf

There is an article on converting an Accurail reefer kit. In
addition to the model shown there is mention that the same changes
would make the car suitable for a FGEX/WFEX car. Unfortunately the
FGEX example pictured is not the same as the converted model as it has
a 6-inch sill rather than the 8-inch sill added in the article.

What are suitable FGEX/WFEX number ranges for reefers with 8-inch sills?

Thanks,
KL








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Re: [PRR-Modeling] RE: [PRRPro] decals

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gatwood, Elden J SAD
To: PRRPro@... ; PRR-Modeling@... ; STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: [PRR-Modeling] RE: [PRRPro] decals


The PRR decals issue is a big sore point with me, as I have repeatedly tried
to get Microscale and many other decals manufacturers to develop. . .

----- Original Message -----

Have you considered getting Microscale or some other company tp produce the sets as custom decals for you and then sell them - more or less on consignment - through Speedwitch, PRRT&HS, or other retailer?

KL


Re: [PRRPro] decals

Gatwood, Elden J SAD <Elden.J.Gatwood@...>
 

Jerry;



We can ignore that standard RR of the world BS and cut to the chase; everyone
needs to model the PRR accurately because you model everything else so
accurately, and because the PRR had such huge numbers of cars in interchange.
You need a bunch. Period. And, I understand your frustration, because it
seems decal manufacturers aren't getting this fact.



The PRR decals issue is a big sore point with me, as I have repeatedly tried
to get Microscale and many other decals manufacturers to develop:



1) "Circle Keystone" scheme applicable from ~1934 to ~1954: New and
accurate decals for PRR freight cars in the "Circle Keystone" scheme
applicable from ~1934 to ~1954 (and of course, still found long afterward).
The Champ sets are good enough for a monogram and perhaps certain lettering
applications, but they did not use a PRR font, and they do not have correct
lettering or data in the dimensional data sheets. I am currently working
with a smaller manufacturer to do some of these sets, but they may be slow in
coming, as he openly tells me he does not work quickly. That is the best and
only real commitment I have been able to get ANYBODY to make that went beyond
"blah blah blah..." and actually has resulted in preliminary artwork. Ted
Culotta has developed an exceptional X28/X29 set for this scheme. Buy it
just so you can see how they should be done.

2) "Shadow Keystone" (~1954-~1960): Yes, the Middle Division "Shadow
Keystone" (~1954-~1960) sets are beautiful, but now largely unavailable. The
sets I want are sold out, even at the guys that got the remaining stock. The
Microscale SK sets are also very nice, maybe even as good, but they only did
boxcars and cabins, and only for about 1/3 of the boxcars we need. Granted,
they did most of those we wanted, so I am not griping, but what is the deal
with Microscale not returning e-mails, calls, or wanting to do any more sets?
Didn't you guys buy any of those they did do? Did you insult their wives?
What gives?

3) Plain Keystone (1960+): Tom Haag's new PK box car set is the ONLY,
I repeat ONLY good PK set available, and he just produced it this year. It
is good for two box cars, in only those boxcars that we have a lot of photos
of in PK, but it is very good. Buy it while you can.



We currently have NO decals available for numerous classes of box car,
hopper, gondola, flat car, MW equipment, and interesting, even sold out and
NLA at Microscale, any hood diesel decals, or some others, but I digress...



Yes, I need to pick up a sheet of Mark Vaughan's PRR airslide decals, and a
few other oddballs, but there IS NO ONE trying to comprehensively work
through the PRR freight cars fleet and do these decals. Period. Given that
(supposedly) 10-15% of all modelers are (supposedly) modeling the PRR, I am
astounded that folks would rather do a one-of-a-kind but colorful set for a
Desert War SD-40-2 or a one-of-a-kind but colorful "Joe Blow's Grain
Cooperative" covered hopper, than something that might sell a little better,
but what do I know about business decisions?



Fah!



"Thoroughly Disgruntled" Elden Gatwood



P.S. Oh, I have also offered to send all sorts of these guys scans of the
drawings used to develop the stencils they used on the 1", 2", 3", 7" early
font lettering, and Circle Key monogram, and my offer to supply full
information on all classes, dimensionals, and other data needed, as part of
our PRRT&HS efforts to encourage someone to produce said decals, with only
the follow up indicated above. Thus, any of those involved had no excuses to
utter about how they weren't given the keys to the kingdom.



________________________________

From: PRRPro@... [mailto:PRRPro@...] On Behalf Of
calflash22
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:15 AM
To: PRRPro@...
Subject: [PRRPro] decals



If the PRR is such a "standard railroad of the world" and you (general)
are trying to convince us EVERYONE must model it to some degree, why
aren't there good decals readily available? I don't mean the illusive
Middle Division as they often do not meet that last requirement. Seems
to me there's room for someone to "step up" and provide them. I know it
would encourage me to include more PRR in my mix of projects and cars.

This is not meant to be argumentive or negative - just an observation
and comment from a frustrated modeler who recognizes the need for some
PRR cars but can't get past the "collectors" decals.

Jerry Glow


Re: FGEX wood reefers

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Peter, Kurt, and Don,

Don't forget that Intermountain is supposed to have FGEX wood reefers out by the end of the year.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

pieter_roos wrote:

Don, Kurt;

You want to find this article by Bill Welch:

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40

Also both volumes of Ted Cullota's Prototype Railroad Modeling journal
have articles (also by Bill) on parts of the BREX/WFE/FEGX fleet.

Those, plus the B& Modeler article and the six examples on the Steam
Era Freight Car site should allow kitbashing of basic Accurail reefer
to be close to a number of FEGX designs.

Pieter Roos


Re: FGEX wood reefers from Accurail kits?

Pieter Roos
 

Don, Kurt;

You want to find this article by Bill Welch:

WFE and FGE 40-foot wood reefers from lnterMountain models
Railmodel Journal, February 2005 page 40

Also both volumes of Ted Cullota's Prototype Railroad Modeling journal
have articles (also by Bill) on parts of the BREX/WFE/FEGX fleet.

Those, plus the B& Modeler article and the six examples on the Steam
Era Freight Car site should allow kitbashing of basic Accurail reefer
to be close to a number of FEGX designs.

Pieter Roos


--- In STMFC@..., Don Worthy <don_worthy@...> wrote:

Kurt, I'm sure glad you brought up the FGEX cars. I need a string of
them as I'm modeling the Central of Georgia and Southern railways.
These cars show up in most any photos of my target railways.
I'd seen a couple of model shots on Steam Era Freight Car site but
the info was very skippy. The only info I got from it was that the Red
Caboose car was used in that project.
I, too, am in need of info about these cars.
I've come up with photos of several FGEX cars that seem to be of
different height and other such things. It would help me so much if
the measurements of the various type cars that they "seemed" to have
had could be made available.
Kurt lets keep each other informed of any info that can be found.
I'll gladly show you some of these shots that I've found. OFF line of
course.

Thanks
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga. at dworthy57@...

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...> wrote:
In the Mar/Apr 2007 issue of the B&O Modeler

http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/BO_Modeler_3_2007_MarApr.pdf

There is an article on converting an Accurail reefer kit. In
addition to the model shown there is mention that the same changes
would make the car suitable for a FGEX/WFEX car. Unfortunately the
FGEX example pictured is not the same as the converted model as it has
a 6-inch sill rather than the 8-inch sill added in the article.

What are suitable FGEX/WFEX number ranges for reefers with 8-inch sills?

Thanks,
KL








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Re: Mixed road hoppers

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Here's a list of the open hoppers I have photos by Sidney Wheeler of.
These cars were in Stewartville MN to be loaded with iron ore for
Granite City IL. Most interesting is the SP ballast car. Sorry I
don't have the dates on this computer.
Clark Propst
RR NO STYLE
C&I 1022 3 BAY RIBBED
C&IM 6238 2 BAY OFFSET
C&IM 6194 2 BAY OFFSET
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Re: FGEX wood reefers from Accurail kits?

Don Worthy
 

Kurt, I'm sure glad you brought up the FGEX cars. I need a string of them as I'm modeling the Central of Georgia and Southern railways. These cars show up in most any photos of my target railways.
I'd seen a couple of model shots on Steam Era Freight Car site but the info was very skippy. The only info I got from it was that the Red Caboose car was used in that project.
I, too, am in need of info about these cars.
I've come up with photos of several FGEX cars that seem to be of different height and other such things. It would help me so much if the measurements of the various type cars that they "seemed" to have had could be made available.
Kurt lets keep each other informed of any info that can be found. I'll gladly show you some of these shots that I've found. OFF line of course.

Thanks
Don Worthy
Ivey, Ga. at dworthy57@...

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...> wrote:
In the Mar/Apr 2007 issue of the B&O Modeler

http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/BO_Modeler_3_2007_MarApr.pdf

There is an article on converting an Accurail reefer kit. In addition to the model shown there is mention that the same changes would make the car suitable for a FGEX/WFEX car. Unfortunately the FGEX example pictured is not the same as the converted model as it has a 6-inch sill rather than the 8-inch sill added in the article.

What are suitable FGEX/WFEX number ranges for reefers with 8-inch sills?

Thanks,
KL








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FGEX wood reefers from Accurail kits?

Kurt Laughlin <fleeta@...>
 

In the Mar/Apr 2007 issue of the B&O Modeler

http://borhs.org/ModelerMag/BO_Modeler_3_2007_MarApr.pdf

There is an article on converting an Accurail reefer kit. In addition to the model shown there is mention that the same changes would make the car suitable for a FGEX/WFEX car. Unfortunately the FGEX example pictured is not the same as the converted model as it has a 6-inch sill rather than the 8-inch sill added in the article.

What are suitable FGEX/WFEX number ranges for reefers with 8-inch sills?

Thanks,
KL


Re: FGEX wood reefers

Charles Hladik
 

Richard,
How much for the bridge? Garth and I can put it on the old Nelson and
Albemarle right of way !! Boy Howdy.
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freight train program

ed_mines
 

"Modern Marvels' on the Discovery channel (or one of the other
educational channels) is running their freight trains program tonight.

I think this is the program showing a yellow SFRD reefer with a map.

There are a couple of other STMFCs throughout the program. I like to
watch the show while doing something else.

Ed


Re: northeast US hopper movements

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Posted by: "ed_mines"
There are a couple of books of NKP publicity photos with many of the photos taken in the steam era. In the text of onoe of these books it says that most coal on the NKP came from the C&O (at one time the 2 roads were affiliated by a common owner; they even shared offices).
Be careful about believing things just because they are written in books. Errors can be found in even the best researched and written books. In the news media, usually more than 20 percent of what's written about railroads is erroneous.

Just looking at the map of the NKP shows that had to be wrong. It's perpendicular to C&O lines, hardly a logical connection. The W&LE, an NKP subsidiary, served coal mining areas. The fact that they had a common owner has nothing to do with how the coal was routed. The C&O shippers had the right to route over any other railroad they wanted to use beyond Cincinnati, Columbus and Toledo.


NKP had a moderate sized fleet of their own hoppers. Is it possible that their own fleet was used to ship coal for company use?
Not likely. The railroads serving the mines controlled what cars were used. They would have accepted NKP cars for loading only when they had a shortage. And the serving railroads could not have required those cars to be used for coal to the NKp.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: HOME HEATING COAL

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Rather than make responses to all of the posts on this, I'll just summarize my reactions to them.

I believe most of the home heating coal in New England was anthracite, which was preferred because it made less smoke. The closest coal mines to New England were the anthracite mines in the Scranton area. To get bituminous to New England would have been a much longer haul, the nearest being the Clearfield district.

As for marks, originating roads were Erie, DL&W, LV, CNJ, PRR, NYO&W, D&H and RDG, but not B&O. However, since B&O shared it's route to New York with RDG and CNJ, it would not be surprising that their cars would be coming into NE with anthracite. The other highly likely foreign mark from those mines would be NYC.

As for routes and destinations:

- The furthest east junctions of the anthracite roads were Rutland, VT, Mechanicville, NY and Maybrook, NY. That means that all of it had to move on NH, NYC, B&M or RUT, but destinations could be anywhere on CV, MEC, BAR, GT and the short lines.

- Every town in New england would have received anthracite loads as there was a coal dealer in every town of any size - like fuel oil dealers today.

As for that barge coal, it was mostly from bituminous areas, and I believe it went mainly to power plants. It's interesting to note that most of the large power plants in CT and RI and around NYC are on navigable waterways.

One notable exception. When I was a small boy, I would look out of my father's office on the 55th floor of 60 Wall and watch the cars rolling through the CNJ car dumper. Pretty strong evidence of barging of anthracite also.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Limestone for the Steel Industry (was. . . Kline & Culotta's book)

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Lime or limestone for blast furnaces. We're looking at taking some of that Shenadoah Valley product originating on our Waynesboro Branch going to Hurlin Steel at Charleston, WV. Was it hauled in covered hoppers or open top cars ?

Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478


Re: Cars that shouldn't be in Kline & Culotta's book

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups. com, Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@ ...> wrote:

Posted by: "Tim O'Connor" >> Malcolm Laughlin wrote: "You would
never see a foreign hopper being loaded on the
C&O or N&W."
C&O ran large numbers of NRBX (the other Berwind, New River Berwind)
on its main to Newport News. IIRC, these were also loaded at coal mines
served by the C&O, not off line mines. Would NRBX be considered
"foreign"?, Or are private owner cars not included in that category?

Bill Williams
============================================

The concept of system and foreign cars applied only to railroad owned cars. Private cars were not included.


Malcolm Laughlin, Editor 617-489-4383
New England Rail Shipper Directories
19 Holden Road, Belmont, MA 02478

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