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Re: CPR Fowler box car end bracing:

Dennis Storzek
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> wrote:

Thanks Jim for the reference to the Westerfield material. Actually,
I have
quite a number of the Westerfield kits (dark grey resin), but the
instruction sheets don't break down the cars with differing end bracing
styles - perhaps they are older sheets?
Rob,

I think you need to go back to the original source information, the
series of articles on the "Dominion car" published by Paul Clegg and
Stafford Swain in Mainline Modeler during '85 and '86. This multi
article series had development history, drawings, photos, details of
modifications, and a look at derivatives used by other roads. The
roster info you seek should be in there somewhere.

Dennis


Re: Caboose truck help needed

Brian Leppert <b.leppert@...>
 

The truck in the image http://www.greenbayroute.com/gbw615truck.jpg is the 40 ton version of the Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose Car Truck. This differs from the 30 ton version by the beading on the side frame face, tighter radius on the far corners of the side frame windows and a 2 inch longer wheelbase. I think the 40 ton truck was first introduced in the early 1950s. ECW offers this truck.

For many years our hobby has been calling ANY caboose truck with side frames having integrally cast journal boxes and leaf springs as "Bettendorf" or "Barber-Bettendorf". This is incorrect.

Bettendorf and Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose Trucks are easily indentified by the visable end of the transom casting. This is the six sided object that the leaf spring sticks out of. The transom solidly connects the two side frames. The spring plank hangs below the transom by four links. The leaf (elliptical) springs sit on the spring plank and support the truck bolster that floats within the transom casting. This was developed and patended by the Bettendorf Co. back in the teens and was originally offered with T-section side frames (NYC liked this caboose truck). By 1924 the U-section side frame became available. This "wide bottom" side frame was manufactured until circa 1931. By 1935 Bettendorf changed the contour of the side frame to a "pinched bottom" look This 30 ton truck remained in production until at least 1958, that I know of.

In 1942 the Bettendorf Co. sold the manufacturing and sales rights for this design to the Standard Car Truck Company. This is when they added their trade name "Barber" to the truck's name.

An HO version of the "wide bottom", circa 1924-1931, Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose Truck has recently become available from Tahoe Model Works. I'm currently working on the tooling for the 30 ton, "pinched bottom" Barber-Bettendorf Swing Motion Caboose Truck.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


PDF files, was Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Pieter Roos
 

Man, talk about a topic that will not die; now it has jumped threads!

All of which technical issues are quite beside the point if the author
doesn't choose to make the information available on the internet (for
any of a number of perfectly LEGITIMATE reasons, or even for selfish
ones if he so chooses). I suspect all the information will make it
into an article or book eventually.

Anyone got a stake and some garlic to make this topic STAY dead?

Pieter Roos

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Burgess" <jack@...> wrote:

All true but making a PDF file from a scanned image is more
time-consuming,
requires a different program, and results in very large files...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


On my Mac I can do a article and then tell it to print. When the
print program comes up There is a save to PDF option and if I save to
PDF then I can take the PDF and email it where ever I wish. PDF are
no big thing on a MAC.
Thank you
Larry Jackman


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Jack Burgess
 

All true but making a PDF file from a scanned image is more time-consuming,
requires a different program, and results in very large files...

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com

On my Mac I can do a article and then tell it to print. When the
print program comes up There is a save to PDF option and if I save to
PDF then I can take the PDF and email it where ever I wish. PDF are
no big thing on a MAC.
Thank you
Larry Jackman


Re: Fishbelly FOBX 50' Plywood Side --Dreadnaught Ends- Ten Ice Hatches and Other Color Pictures

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

gary laakso wrote:
There is a partial color picture taken in May, 1953 in Denver of one of the 4000-4173 class 50 foot fish belly FOBX (FGEX owned marks) on pages 78 and 79 of Trackside Around Granger Country, 1952-1955 by Rich Wilson. The picture clearly shows narrow the frame was compared to the width of the body.
The important thing about the FOBX cars was the overhead ice bunkers (thus the "Overhead Bunkers" in the reporting mark). They had heavier insulation too, thus the wider body. There is an overhead shot of one in the PFE book (to illustrate icing).

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Fishbelly FOBX 50' Plywood Side --Dreadnaught Ends- Ten Ice Hatches and Other Color Pictures

gary laakso
 

There is a partial color picture taken in May, 1953 in Denver of one of the 4000-4173 class 50 foot fish belly FOBX (FGEX owned marks) on pages 78 and 79 of Trackside Around Granger Country, 1952-1955 by Rich Wilson. The picture clearly shows narrow the frame was compared to the width of the body.
For the coal minded (notice, i did not say dirty), on pages 8 and 9 there is a July 20, 1952 picture of a Rock Island freight in Muscatine, IA passing a string of gons and hoppers including a P&LE 2 bay hopper, a NYC 2 bay hopper, a C&EI two bay hopper and a war emergency 52 foot gondola of undetermined ownership.
Those of us completing Westerfield Milwaukee stock cars or Sunshine ART wood reefers can be inspired by the wonderful derailment detail pictures on pages 11 to 15 ( yes, there is a Warren tank car, WRNX 11315 in the pictured too), all in Muscatine on April12, 1952. The truck from the Milwaukee is a surprising light dust color with oily/muck colored wheels, much the same as the ART 21993 reefer's truck.

gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
vasa0vasa@earthlink.net


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Larry Kline
 

Tim O'Connor wrote:
scan to a PDF for free? i've had 6 PC's over the years and not one of
them can CREATE a PDF file.

The Mac print utility can create PDFs. I recently used it to convert
a 24 page P&LERR Historical Society magazine issue from a Word
document to a pdf. I was pleased with the results, including the
images. I did use Photoshop to appropriately size the 24 images that
I put into the Word document, but a less expensive program such as
Photoshop Elements would have worked equally well.

Larry Kline
Pittsburgh, PA


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Jack Burgess
 

"Bill is a generous person, though you
clearly don't know that. And it sure ain't about money. Go to your
local Kinkos or other copy shop with a 54-page document and see what it
costs to copy it, before you complain about Bill's $3 charge."
This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their
prices when you
can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free.
A 54-page PDF file scanned at 100 dpi (marginal quality) and not converted
from Word would be about 25 megs....not the thing you can e-mail to people.

Jack Burgess
www.yosemitevalleyrr.com


PDF's

asychis@...
 

In a message dated 7/17/2007 2:07:54 PM Central Daylight Time,
STMFC@yahoogroups.com writes:

All true but making a PDF file from a scanned image is more time-consuming,
requires a different program, and results in very large files...

Adobe Acrobat (not Reader) does this easily. Files can be trimmed down, but I
agree are quite large.

Jerry Michels



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Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

toddsyr <toddsyr@...>
 

There are free programs that will write PDF files nowadays just to keep the information current. A Google search will put you in the right direction. I do agree however that nobody is obligated to give away anything they've taken the time to research and compile or photograph. I know alot of folks think they should get something for nothing just because they can. I'm not one of them though. I pay for my music, give credit and weblinks for photos from the internet posted in various RR forums, take only one newspaper from the coinbox etc etc etc.

Todd K. Stearns


Re: CPR Fowler box car end bracing:

Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...>
 

Thanks Jim for the reference to the Westerfield material. Actually, I have quite a number of the Westerfield kits (dark grey resin), but the instruction sheets don't break down the cars with differing end bracing styles - perhaps they are older sheets? It does indicate that number series 100000 - 139998 (even) and 200000 - 212499 are two brace cars, and that the earlier cars had more end braces. In any event, I was also referred to the Westerfield web page, and there one finds a very useful breakdown for all the cars which I expect I'll be able to follow.

Re the sides: its not the prototype sides that need to be or were changed. I was referring to the Canadian Hobbycraft boxcar model of a few years ago, which has 2 equally spaced side panels either side of the doors. It ought to have wider panels next to the doors and narrower ones toward the ends. They do this very nicely with the stock car model, and since the bracing (on both cars) is composed of glued on add-ons to the injection moulded car side, I am merely suggesting they use the side bracing from the stock cars to improve the box cars. Frankly, if they would just sell the side bracing for both car types as detail items, I'd be happy to use them for a number of projects.

Rob Kirkham

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim peters" <mikado2206@hotmail.com>
To: <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 6:16 AM
Subject: RE: [STMFC] CPR Fowler box car end bracing:


Good morning,

The information sheet from the Westerfield kits is most likely the best
summary you will find. Also check Ian's site http://freightcars.nikina.net

I was unaware of any changes were ever made to the side framing.

Jim Peters
Coquitlam, BC



From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@shaw.ca>
Reply-To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [STMFC] CPR Fowler box car end bracing:
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:11:45 -0700

I am in the midst of modifying a few Canadian Hobbycraft fowler boxcars and
was considering modifying then ends which presently have two "Z" section
vertical braces.

As I understand it, while two was common enough, some cars had three and
others four. I am wondering if there is an article or other reference out
there I have somehow missed that attempts to sort out what number series
were which. (Yes, I know the number series present their own issues as
many
of the cars were renumbered after construction. I model 1946 - if that
helps). Alternately, perhaps there is a source that notes which of the
many
manufacturers, if any, used the various end bracing patterns. (The extra
ribs may all have been rebuilds as the cars aged.)

By the way, it strikes me that these models should be re-run by the
manufacturer - but with a modification from the earlier production.
Instead
of using the equal spaced side bracing the original run received, they
ought
to use the more correct unequally spaced bracing used on the stock car
models..... A new floor - similar in quality to that used by True Line
Trains on their recent CNR 1937 AAR cars would also be a welcome
improvement.....

Thanks in advance,

Rob Kirkham
who is starting to give up waiting for NERS
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Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Ray Stilwell wrote:
This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their prices when you can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free.
Different process for different needs. If people need to follow along in a handout DURING the talk, Ray, your suggestion is meaningless.

So, it's not about money, it's about the willingness to share.
Nice one, suggesting that Bill doesn't want to share. You should apologize, Ray.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: FGEX wood reefers from Accurail kits?

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Pieter Roos wrote:
The list of resources available for FEGX cars includes . . .
It appears that a model of the FEGX cars would not be all that hard to build, and the information is pretty readily available to build a creditable fleet. If you get the first four items on the list you should be in good shape for modifying the Accurail cars for under $35.00.
Thanks for setting the record straight, Pieter. Not everyone who complains knows as much as they ought to.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Ljack70117@...
 

On my Mac I can do a article and then tell it to print. When the print program comes up There is a save to PDF option and if I save to PDF then I can take the PDF and email it where ever I wish. PDF are no big thing on a MAC.
Thank you
Larry Jackman
Boca Raton FL
ljack70117@comcast.net
I was born with nothing and
I have most of it left

On Jul 17, 2007, at 10:51 AM, mike turner wrote:

Tim,

These programs allow creation and viewing .pdf files without Adobe's
help. Printing from a word processor, spreadsheet, or other program to a
.pdf does work. I have not tried converting a scanned image, yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFCreator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostscript

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC

Tim O'Connor wrote:
George R. Stilwell, Jr. writes:

"This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their prices when you
can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free."

scan to a PDF for free? i've had 6 PC's over the years and
not one of them can CREATE a PDF file -- only the Adobe reader
is freeware, not the writer software. But I'm sure if you'll
send Bill $449 for the Adobe software, plus a flatbed scanner,
and a stack of CD's and mailing sleeves, then he'll make you
a free copy.

Tim O'Connor





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Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

mike turner <yardcoolieyahoo@...>
 

Tim,

These programs allow creation and viewing .pdf files without Adobe's
help. Printing from a word processor, spreadsheet, or other program to a
.pdf does work. I have not tried converting a scanned image, yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFCreator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostscript

Mike Turner
Simpsonville, SC

Tim O'Connor wrote:

George R. Stilwell, Jr. writes:

"This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their prices when you
can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free."

scan to a PDF for free? i've had 6 PC's over the years and
not one of them can CREATE a PDF file -- only the Adobe reader
is freeware, not the writer software. But I'm sure if you'll
send Bill $449 for the Adobe software, plus a flatbed scanner,
and a stack of CD's and mailing sleeves, then he'll make you
a free copy.

Tim O'Connor



Re: Caboose truck help needed

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

I should have realized I couldn't attach a photo to a posting. I've added an
album to the "Photos" section of the group's Yahoo page. Look for "ATSF way
car (caboose)" if you're interested, but allow some time for the photos to
be vetted. -- Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Tim O'Connor
 

George R. Stilwell, Jr. writes:

"This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their prices when you
can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free."

scan to a PDF for free? i've had 6 PC's over the years and
not one of them can CREATE a PDF file -- only the Adobe reader
is freeware, not the writer software. But I'm sure if you'll
send Bill $449 for the Adobe software, plus a flatbed scanner,
and a stack of CD's and mailing sleeves, then he'll make you
a free copy.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Caboose truck help needed

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

Hello Mark,

I don't claim to be a truck expert either, but the truck in your photo at
least resembles the Barber-Bettendorf swing motion caboose truck. In HO,
Athearn and Atlas both have roller-bearing versions of the Barber-Bettendorf
truck, and Atlas also makes a solid-bearing version. I'm using the Atlas
solid-bearing trucks (no. 191000) under Athearn cabooses modified to
represent the railroad-built (in 1942) AT&SF 2001-series way cars. It's a
nice truck, especially with the addition of Reboxx narrow-tread wheelsets
and Kadee no. 441 brake beams. These are the trucks under the caboose in the
attached photo; unfortunately, I don't have a closeup view of the truck.

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

Mike Brock <brockm@...>
 

George R. Stilwell, Jr. writes:

"This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their prices when you
can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free."

Ever tried to distribute a handout during a clinic via Email? The point of all this is that Bill generated a very extensive clinic handout. Scan a 54 pg handout? Okaaay. Not me though...I have other things to do.

"The recipient can print it if desired or just read it on their computer.
So, it's not about money, it's about the willingness to share."

I would disagree. It's about having time.

Mike Brock


Re: pic from rrpicturearchives

George R. Stilwell, Jr. <GRSJr@...>
 

"Bill is a generous person, though you
clearly don't know that. And it sure ain't about money. Go to your
local Kinkos or other copy shop with a 54-page document and see what it
costs to copy it, before you complain about Bill's $3 charge."
This is the 21st century. Who goes to Kinkos and pays their prices when you
can scan the handout to a PDF file and distribute it via E-mail for free.
The recipient can print it if desired or just read it on their computer.
So, it's not about money, it's about the willingness to share. One could
argue the cost of scanning, but many HP printers scan for free. If Bill
wants, I'll scan the handout for him and send him the PDF file.
Ray

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