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NAPERVILLE 2007

joel norman <mec-bml@...>
 

HELLO:
Is there any way to find out who will be at Naperville this
year?Be nice to have coffee or breakfast with some of you guys....
OK U turn
Joel Norman
Eastern Maine Rly '''were its always spring/summer 1952'''


Re: Coins as car weights

SUVCWORR@...
 

In a message dated 8/14/2007 12:52:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, atsf@inow.com
writes:

But steel is magnetic. Lead is good but hard to get these days. Wheel
weights are not bad (lead) but you need to mail-order in CA. Copper and
brass are expensive.
Go to your local garage and ask them to keep the weights they remove from
wheels for you. If you don't mind the potential exposure and keep any kids away,
you can melt the wheel weights and pour the molten lead into sheets. Just
avoid breathing the fumes. It is best to do this outside.

Rich orr


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Re: Moscow, Wisconsin (was new Accurail cars)

al_brown03
 

This strays from topic a little, but I gave bad info yesterday. The
railroad that bypassed Moscow, and pretty much killed off the town by
doing so, later became the Dodgeville branch of the Illinois Central.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:

Moscow is in southwestern Wisconsin, in Iowa County, more or less
between Blanchardville and Hollandale. But the railroad between
those
two places (in the era of this group a branch of, I think, the
Milwaukee Road) bypassed Moscow. (Blanchardville and Hollandale are
on a branch of the Pecatonica River, but Moscow's up a side
valley.)
Methinks one of your club members may be playing.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Miller, Andrew S." <asmiller@>
wrote:

One of the box cars in my club's operating roster is marked for
the
KGB. The car pocket says "return when empty to Moscow WI"


regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of
Richard Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 5:01 PM
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [STMFC] new Accurail cars

On Aug 11, 2007, at 10:54 AM, Tim O'Connor wrote:


>Anyone want to comment on how accurate these are (recognizing
that
all the
>detail may not be shown)?
>http://www.accurail.com/accurail/trainfest.htm
>Atty Raymond G. Meyer

The CNW gondola is dead-on accurate
Dead-on accurate? Probably not, and we won't know for sure until
we
see the model's ends. If they follow the AAR recommended
practice
drawings, they'll be pre-war Dreadnaught ends, whereas that C&NW
70
ton

cars and other postwar versions all had Improved Dreadnaught ends.

Richard Hendrickson


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Re: Coins as car weights

BERNARD SPINELLI <bspinelli@...>
 

on 8/14/07 11:48 AM, Garth G. Groff at ggg9y@virginia.edu wrote:

Tim,

Kadee under-the-track magnets can attract steel car weights at floor
level. Hard to see, but I've had cars equipped with super free-rolling
trucks like Kato's actually move by themselves toward the magnets.

Kind regards,

Garth G. Groff

timboconnor@comcast.net <mailto:timboconnor%40comcast.net> wrote:
Unless the steel is axle-height, I don't think it's going to have
any effect unless you're using super-magnets for uncouplers.
Plenty of models come with steel weights.

Tim O'Connor
Go out a buy a bag of lead shot #8 at any gun shop. It will last you a
lifetime & will fit in any spot on a car. Use epoxy to set the shot. bernie
spinelli


Re: Coins as car weights

Andy Sperandeo <asperandeo@...>
 

You can order .040" and .062" lead sheet online from Small Parts Inc.,
www.smallparts.com. The 40 thou comes out to 37 cents an ounce in 12"-square
sheets, and the 62 thou is 40 cents an ounce in the same size sheet. Of
course, that's before you add in shipping charges from Florida, but if you
don't mind paying for convenience, there it is. (Pennies are definitely
cheaper, easily available, and non-magnetic, but they aren't as dense, which
counts for a lot when weighting flats and gons. They're harder to cut, too!)

So long,

Andy

Andy Sperandeo
Executive Editor
Model Railroader magazine
asperandeo@mrmag.com
262-796-8776, ext. 461
FAX 262-796-1142


Re: Box Cars In Grain Service

Malcolm Laughlin <mlaughlinnyc@...>
 

Posted by: "Russ Strodtz" Don't really know what you are looking for. Since virtually any 40', 6' door car could
be used for bulk grain I don't see where there would be any external markings.

The large supply of similar cars floating around Canada and the U.S. could all be
used for grain service as needed. Have never heard of any instance where a
particular group of cars was "Assigned" to grain service.
=======================================

We should not hear of assignment of any general service car type. It was not permitted by Car Service Rules, and became illegal when the ICC adopted the AAR's Car Service Rules. That applies not only to box cars, but also to ordinary flats, gons and hoppers.


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New England Rail Shipper Directories
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weighting open top cars (was: Stick on weights. Was Coins as car weights)

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

I cast weights for hopper cars to put in the cavity under the slope
sheet and inboard of the slope sheet support sheet over the bolster.

I do this by cutting a triangular notch in the edge of a 1x3 the same
shape as the cavity I intend to fill. I then sandwich this between two
pieces of plywood and clamp the three pieces in a vise. I then melt
solder into the cavity. When it has cooled, I remove the three boards
from the vise and voila, cast weight for a hopper car! Actually I cut
several cavities in the same 1x3 so that I have a few weights cooling
at once.

regards,

Andy Miller

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Mont Switzer
I still don't have a "pat system" for weighting open top cars.

Mont Switzer


Re: Coins as car weights

Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Tim,

Kadee under-the-track magnets can attract steel car weights at floor level. Hard to see, but I've had cars equipped with super free-rolling trucks like Kato's actually move by themselves toward the magnets.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

timboconnor@comcast.net wrote:

Unless the steel is axle-height, I don't think it's going to have
any effect unless you're using super-magnets for uncouplers.
Plenty of models come with steel weights.

Tim O'Connor


Re: Freight Car Idyll AND music

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

On the lighter side for your amusement. When Denny mentioned having
children and grandchildren around and listening to music while reading
a freight car book a song came to mind. When Tony mentioned the Rolling
Stones that sealed it. Ever since "Gimme Shelter" is stuck in my head!
Thanks guys. Last night when I got home from work I enjoyed the music
of listening to the "Steel Wheels" of my freight cars singing the
clickety-clack song.
Clark Propst


Re: Stick on weights. Was Coins as car weights.

Mont Switzer <mhts_switzerm@...>
 

I prefer the stick on lead weights like what Peter has on order. I get mine from A-line and probably pay a little more for them to be able to buy in small quantities.

These weights are small and heavy. I try to install them over the car trucks on house cars. This leaves the floor clean if I want to model the door in the open position.

I still don't have a "pat system" for weighting open top cars.

Mont Switzer

"Peter J. McClosky" <pmcclosky@comcast.net> wrote:
None of the Hobby shops up here carry "Stick on Weights".

I went to every auto parts store I could find (before giving up) and
could not fine any. Most of the clerks in these stores had no idea what
I was talking about. When I explained that they were used to balance
alloy wheels they "got it"

Then I went to a tire store, and while the would not sell me any they
had in stock ("I would not have any to use"), they did pre order me 1
box each of 1/4 oz and 1/2 oz stick on weights.

I think I got a life time supply, without paying for shipping (and lead
is heavy!!!).

Peter
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...Lead is good but hard to get these days. Wheel
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Stick on weights. Was Coins as car weights.

Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
 

None of the Hobby shops up here carry "Stick on Weights".

I went to every auto parts store I could find (before giving up) and
could not fine any. Most of the clerks in these stores had no idea what
I was talking about. When I explained that they were used to balance
alloy wheels they "got it"

Then I went to a tire store, and while the would not sell me any they
had in stock ("I would not have any to use"), they did pre order me 1
box each of 1/4 oz and 1/2 oz stick on weights.

I think I got a life time supply, without paying for shipping (and lead
is heavy!!!).

Peter
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...Lead is good but hard to get these days. Wheel
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Re: Coins as car weights

Miller, Andrew S. <asmiller@...>
 

Only because you live in California Jon. In the rest of the world no
one worries about children climbing on roofs to eat the flashing, and
sheet lead is readily available at Home Depot - even here in the
People's Democratic Republic of Massachusetts.

regards,

Andy Miller

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Lead is good but hard to get these days.

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Re: Coins as car weights

Tim O'Connor
 

Unless the steel is axle-height, I don't think it's going to have
any effect unless you're using super-magnets for uncouplers.
Plenty of models come with steel weights.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jon Miller" <atsf@inow.com>

Go to your hardware store and buy a strip of plain steel,<
But steel is magnetic.


Re: Unwarranted slam in August TKM

Tim O'Connor
 

Rich

The QUESTION this begs is -- since AM got the whole shipment -- will there
be another shipment? Perhaps RC itself got shorted. Perhaps AM pays their
bills on time. We just don't know. Any car that sells out that fast is bound to
be run again. Patience and demand, not boycotts and public whining, will
get better results. If PRR modelers were to "strike back" at RC or even AM,
would that be to their benefit in the long run? I don't see how it could.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
It was an announced car that RC decided to send the entire shipment to the
museum.? When I called RC I was told all dealer orders were forgone and that not
enough cars were received to fill AM's order so they got them all.? Nice way of
telling the dealers where they can go.? Distributing proportionally to all who
had pre-ordered the cars would have resulted in the same outcome for RC -- all
cars out the door but they decided their multitude of dealers was less important
than one customer.

Rich Orr


Re: Coins as car weights

Jon Miller <atsf@...>
 

Go to your hardware store and buy a strip of plain steel,<
But steel is magnetic. Lead is good but hard to get these days. Wheel weights are not bad (lead) but you need to mail-order in CA. Copper and brass are expensive.


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For me time has stopped in 1941
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NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Re: Coins as car weights

Tim O'Connor
 

I've been in a lot of hardware stores, and I've never seen that
for sale before. It would be very nice to find... Perhaps the World's
Greatest Hardware Store stocks it?

How much is lead flashing per pound? I have a roll of it (about 1/8
inch thick) but I don't recall what I paid for it.

Tim O'Connor

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@signaturepress.com>

Go to your hardware store and buy a strip of plain steel, around
3/4-inch wide and 1/8 inch thick. It's soft and cuts easily with a
hacksaw, costs about 5 cents an ounce, and works fine. Makes a nice
size weight in a single piece.


Re: Coins as car weights

Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

eric petersson wrote:
Costwise, pennies are $1.81 per pound, about 11¢ per oz. Nickels are
$4.54 per pound, about 28¢ per oz
Go to your hardware store and buy a strip of plain steel, around
3/4-inch wide and 1/8 inch thick. It's soft and cuts easily with a
hacksaw, costs about 5 cents an ounce, and works fine. Makes a nice
size weight in a single piece.

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Re: Freight Car Idyll

rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
 

Hear that Denny? We ain't comin' over unless I can bring some Stone's
stuff. You still have 8 track don't you? ; )
Clark Propst


--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:

Mike Brock wrote:
But Denny...you might be surprised how the plot in that book
improves
after you consume one or two of one of the better products from a
local brewery. I'm not at all certain that I would select something
from Beethoven to bring out the best in the book's rather subtle
plot
either. You might try Fats Waller, for instance.
I had thoughts along the same lines, Mike, but was thinking
fondly of the Rolling Stones for this particular book. <g>

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Re: Unwarranted slam in August TKM

SUVCWORR@...
 

It was an announced car that RC decided to send the entire shipment to the museum.? When I called RC I was told all dealer orders were forgone and that not enough cars were received to fill AM's order so they got them all.? Nice way of telling the dealers where they can go.? Distributing proportionally to all who had pre-ordered the cars would have resulted in the same outcome for RC -- all cars out the door but they decided their multitude of dealers was less important than one customer.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason C <dhc628@yahoo.com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 9:04 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Unwarranted slam in August TKM



SUVCWORR@aol.com wrote:

All in all the slam against RC is not unwarranted. It was rather mild. The
cars should have been distributed to all dealers in proportion to their order
not all sent to one entity.

Rich Orr





_,_._,___ Richard,

Did the Amirillo museum pay for the entire run of cars? By that, I mean, did
they contract with RC for this run of cars or was this an announced item that RC
decided to ship to the museum and cancel all of the distributor and retail
orders? If the museum was the initiator of this run, then it stands to reason
that another entity, be it the TKM or even you, could do the very same thing.

I know that Atlas has a program where ANYONE can tag onto an upcoming release of
models and have what they want sent only to them. I have seen Western Pacific
Bicentennial GP40's, Maryland Midland GP38's, and the Anthracite group has done
multiple runs of cars by taking advantage of this program. Intermountain also
appears to do this as I have bought custom run cars that they have produced for
various groups/shops/individuals.

To help clarify this, can anyone confirm how this run of cars came about? Did
RC announce these as general release and then short everyone except the museum
or did the museum approach RC and offer to pay for the entire run of cars?

Jason Cook
New Haven, IN


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Re: Box Cars In Grain Service

"Russ Strodtz <borneo@...>
 

Jeff,

The CB&Q at Cicero would hump enough cars every day to keep the clean
out tracks full. Once on the clean out tracks and the process completed they
would be graded.

Another group would be humped for the Freight Houses.

Everything else would either flow for grain orders or be mine run to another
terminal, usually Lincoln. Lincoln was always short of boxes. If GN or NP
were short they would get a percentage of the cars.

Of those cars on the clean out tracks many would go to Wedron IL or
Ottawa IL for sand loading. Both shippers were picky about car condition.
If it was getting close to the time a Canada sand train was to be run out of
Wedron they would hold all CN's on the clean out tracks until requested.

I do not know if graded cars were marked at all. I think it more likely that
the clean out Foreman would tube lists of each track to the yard office
when the track was finished and they would apply to orders and generate
a hump list when requested. The physical location of the clean out tracks
was such that they could be flat switched right into the departure yard.
The sand cars were probably handled that way.

Entering grades into a computer system came much later than 1960.

Russ

Even with cheap labor no effort was made to grade every car in the yard.

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