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Re: hopper loads
CJ Riley
--- Bob Karig <karig@sprintmail.com> wrote:
I don't know about anthracite, but many hopper loads of bituminous that I saw were shiny. Coke was pretty dull. CJ Riley ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
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Re: Freight Car Music
Paul Hillman
A few years ago Merle Haggard released a great railroad album, "My Love Affair with Trains", all original songs and from the steam era.
Included are songs; "I won't Give Up My Train", about an engineer, "My Love Affair with Trains", written by Dolly Parton, "Where have all the Hobos gone", "The Miners Silver Ghost", and many others. Great STMFC era music. Anyone heard it besides me? Paul Hillman
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N&W G4 vs. CNJ rebuilt WE gondola
Pieter Roos
Hi all;
I'm planning on acquiring the Cryer Gray Foundry N&W G4 model as a re-built CNJ war emergency gondola. Does anyone see major differences between the N&W model and the CNJ version? Or, for that matter, anything different from any other railroad's rebuilding, except the Rock Island's corrugated panels? http://www.cryergrayfoundry.com/projects/G4-gondola_home.shtml If there are things that need changing I may get the unpainted instead of painted black but unlettered model. BTW, it's S scale, so options like Tichy or F&C versions don't work! :~{ Thanks in advance for the advice. Pieter Roos
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Re: Tim Gilbert
Tom Madden <tgmadden@...>
Mike Brock wrote:
A quick search shows that Tim's last STMFC post was #63014 on 5/26/07. Twenty five days later, he's gone - and at only 66. A blunt reminder of the impermanence of human life, especially to those of us already well past that age. Thanks, Tim, for sharing. Tom Madden
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Re: Stick on weights. Was Coins as car weights.
Peter J. McClosky <pmcclosky@...>
Hello Philip,
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There are 624 1/4 oz weights in the 1/4 oz box, and 360 in the 1/2 oz box. I paid about $94.00 (total) for the box of 1/4 oz weights and the other box of 1/2 oz weights. The 1/4 oz weights come in at about $0.08 apiece (or $0.32 per ounce) and the 1/2 oz weights cost about $0.15 apiece (or $0.30 per ounce). I know this is more than pennies cost, but they are much denser, and are easier to work with. I have also use lead shot from a metal store. These are about 1/8 inch in diameter. When used on a car, they are not nearly as dense (a lot of empty space between pellets) as the solid lead. I like the "denseness" of the solid lead, as it lowers the center of gravity of the car. Peter J. McClosky ======
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Re: FEC's "Car Ferry Company" reefers purchased by FGE
sevanwinter
The Florida East Coast Car Ferry Company (FECCFC), was an FEC sister
company and the predecessor to the West India Fruit & Steamship Company, ran a railroad car ferry service from Key West to Havana, Cuba from 1914 through the demise of the Key West Extension in the Labor Day, 1935 hurricane. Except for a brief surge of construction materials transhipped from Key West during the mid-1920's Florida land boom, Key West Extension freight traffic was principally due to the railroad car ferry. The FECCFC had three nearly identical car ferry boats, all built by the William Cramp shipyards in Philadelphia: the Henry M. Flagler (built 1914), the Joseph R. Parrott (built 1916), and the Estrada Palma (built 1920.) Plans for the boats may be obtained from: From 1921 through 1936 the FECCFC owned a 500 car lot of USRA design double sheathed ventilated boxcars. These were leased throughout the entire period to the Florida East Coast Railway Company, FEC car numbers 17001-17500. This is the Westerfield Car At the demise of the Extension, the car ferry service was transferred to Port Everglades, just south of Ft. Lauderdale. The FECCFC ferry service continued there until interrupted in 1942 by World War II. During 1942 all three boats became USN mine layers, the Keokuk, Shawmut and Weehawken respectively. In 1948, ferry service resumed from the Port of Palm Beach under the successor West India Fruit & Steamship Company. The Henry M. Flagler and the Joseph R. Parrott began the service. ( The Estrada Palma was sunk in the Caribbean during the war.) Additional boats (City of Havanna, City of New Orleans, Grand Haven, New Grand Haven, Sea Level) were subsequently added. Shane
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Re: hopper loads
tbarney2004
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "ed_mines" <ed_mines@...> wrote:
In the vicinity of steel mills, unless produced on site, there would be a lot inbound, as it (is/was) heavily used in steel production as fuel and source of carbon in the blast furnaces themselves. Tim Barney
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Re: hopper loads
gn3397 <heninger@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, timboconnor@... wrote:
Yes, Mr. O'Connor, but the stockcar and boxcar don't exist yet in my era. <g>. Sincerely, Robert D. Heninger Stanley, ND
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Re: Tim Gilbert
Rufus Cone <cone@...>
Tim Gilbert's many helpful and important contributions certainly earned
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him the thoughtful acknowledgements sent by Ian, Wilson, Richard Hendrickson, Mike Brock, and a number of others. Their earlier posts have covered many aspects of Tim Gilbert's special contributions to STMFC and to his response to many individuals' request for analysis or data. His injection of concrete data from Moody's into the discussions along with his analysis of conductors' car lists and other data were notable. As Tom Baker said, "We will all, I am sure, miss his expertise and his willingness to clarify or offer an insight." Rufus Cone Bozeman, MT Richard Hendrickson wrote:
The news of Tim Gilbert's death gets my day off to a very bad start.
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Re: hopper loads
Philip Dove <philip.dove@...>
The coke I knew for burning in a domestic stove (hand fired) was about an inch in size and more irregular in shape than a lump of coal because it was porous because all the gas had been baked out (basically coke is coal that has been heated to red heat in an absence of air so it can't burn) Sometimes coke was a by product of making town gas, and tar products, sometimes the coke was what you wanted and the rest was a waste product. Coke is a lot harder to ignite but burns hot and with no smoke. Some coke that I saw was the size of an adults fist. The coke was porous IE honeycombed with very fine pin holes. At a quick glance a heap of coke was black but it was a very dark silvery grey. If I needed to make a model of a coke load I would get some of that very dark grey dense foam used for packing, such as in a Bachmann spectrum box and mince it up small. real coke would just be dust by the time you'd finished trying to crush it to HO scale. Loads of coke straight from the coke oven had to be damped down with water and trucks would be literally steaming. Sometimes you wondered whether the load was smouldering or steaming. In the UK up to the late 1950s one of the main brands of "gasoline" was made with a significant percentage of benzole derived from coal during the coking process. Coke could also be used in filter beds for Sewage farms. Some Kind of bacteria was added to the coke and then dilute sewage was sprayed onto the colonized coke and the fluid that filtered through the beds became treated sewage rather than very noxious raw sewage. Sewage farms would only require loads of coke when they first built the treatment beds, so don't direct carloads of coke to the sewage farm.
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From: ed_mines To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: 15 August 2007 17:21 Subject: [STMFC] Re: hopper loads --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote: > Coke is flat black to dark gray in color. How about particle size? Was there much coke being shipped? I recall it was a byproduct of illuminating gas and some utilities burned coke in special plants. Ed
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Tim Gilbert
John Hitzeman
My wife Nancy, and I, met Tim the very first year we attended the Amherst Show in
West Springfield, Mass. (1994 or 5?) ? As those of you who knew Tim can verify, he was never at a loss for words, most of which were "nuggets" of knowledge, etc. He could talk for hours, and did. Somewhere along the line, Tim and Nancy got to talking about where their families came from. Nancy's mom was raised in Connecticut and it turned out that Tim and my mother-in-law were distant cousins!!! So, he was not only part of the train family, but one of the in-laws, I guess.? <<VBG>> He had a couple of projects that he wanted me to pursue, so?I guess I'd better do one before he looses some lightning bolts at me, or something. ;o) He was a walking encyclopedia of train knowledge, and?he will be sorely missed. John Sweating Lake, Missouri John Hitzeman President/Owner American Model Builders, Inc. LASERkit (tm) www.rgspemkt.com www.ambstlouis.net www.laserkit.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
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Re: Freight Car Music
Philip Dove <philip.dove@...>
In France and some European countries they counted axles not wheels 231 is the correct notation for a pacific if your French. To digress even further off freight cars Night mail must be the best poem in a train tempo. The poem was written in the thirties as the sound track for a General post office publicity film showing a mail train running through the night London to Glasgow.
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What is a boxcar? (Mandatory freight car content.) Regards Philip Dove
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From: Miller, Andrew S. To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: 15 August 2007 13:59 Subject: RE: [STMFC] Freight Car Music Denny, Have you ever wondered if 231 was the number of the loco or if Arthur Honegger merely misunderstood the European wheel designation of the Pacific? regards, Andy Miller -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Denny Anspach . . . Arthur Honegger's "Pacific 231" probably gets as close as any to true "railroad music" otherwise.
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Re: Coins as car weights
Peter Weiglin
Lawrence Rast wrote:
Another option are lead ingots from Bass Pro Shops. Come to about $1.80 per= = = And then I asked, "Why not just use the pennies? That designer lead sold in hobby shops is expensive. So -- Nine pennies is just under one ounce. .984 of an ounce. Ten pennies is 1.093 ounces. Apply adhesive, and weights cost nine or ten cents per ounce. But wait! Subsequent measurements showed that eleven pennies .0970 ounce. Ten pennies is 1.058 ounces. How come? Research followed. Turns out there two different weights for pennies, depending on when they were minted. Sometime in 1982, the metallic composition of the penny was changed, and the newer pennies are lighter. Pennies minted before 1982 gave the first set of numbers above, pennies minted after 1982 gave the second set. No, I didn't have any 1982 pennies to check; I don't know if they changed at the end of a year or during 1982. So, although it against the law to use pennies for other than their intended purpose, one could glue the requisite number of pennies inside a house car to weight it. Might even tack-solder groups of pennies together. Peter Weiglin Amelia, OH
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Re: Tim Gilbert
Mike Brock <brockm@...>
I, too, was startled to read about Tim Gilbert's passing. I had noticed that he had not commented in some time and was curious about that.
As many know, Tim, along with Dave Nelson, was a key figure in the accumulation of data about frt car populations and their distribution and he did a great deal of analysis on such. There are quite a few messages in the STMFC archives from Tim containing various aspects of his studies. He and I carried on more than one discussion about such distributions...always pleasurable and interesting. He added the data from my 1949 UP freight conductor's book to his and passed the results to the STMFC. I was pleased to meet him when he attended Prototype Rails in Cocoa Beach in 2006. He will be missed. Mike Brock
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Re: Question regarding NC&StL / Monon steel gons
Ray Breyer
>>A good picture of one would be helpful :-)timboconnor@comcast.net wrote: Good point. I just created a new album for the NC&StL 44000-series gons. Once the moderators approve the images, you'll find photos of NC&StL 44275, Monon 6001, and the diagram page for these cars from the NC&StL's 1955 freight car diagram book. Let me know offlist if you want larger images. Ray Breyer --------------------------------- Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when.
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Re: hopper loads
Ray Meyer
Bituminous - As I recall that's short for by two minutes it's gone....
-- Atty Raymond G. Meyer 110 E. Main St Port Washington, WI 53074 262-284-5566 rgmeyer2@gmail.com
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Re: Trying to determine ownership of stock cars found in Warsaw, IN
Richard Hendrickson
On Aug 15, 2007, at 12:22 PM, Mark Plank wrote:
I am trying to identify the the owning railroad and class of stockMark, those are New York Central System stock cars as modeled in HO scale by Al Westerfield. Richard Hendrickson
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Re: Freight Car Music
Peter Weiglin
...and when/if, I wonder, will our moderator chime in on this topic with the theme song from the old American Airlines "Music 'Til Dawn" program?
You remember the tune? "That's All." Peter Weiglin Amelia, OH
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Re: Freight Car Music
rockroll50401 <cepropst@...>
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "P Grace" <pgrace@...> wrote:
You guys...Hank Snow's "I'm movin on" also covered by the Stones live. Clark Propst
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Re: hopper loads
CJ Riley
There was much coke shipped through the 50s in western PA. The Connellsville
are was loaded with beehive oven complexes that shipped by hopper. While some large steel mills may have had their own in-house coke plants,(J&L Hazlewood for example) it was my understanding they shipped coke to their mills that weren't making coke: a very nasty, dirty, and smelly operation not welcomed by the locals when a new mill was opened. Keep in mind that foundries and similar industries used coke and wouldnot have in-house capabilities. CJ Riley Formerly of Pittsburgh, now in smoke free Bainbridge Island WA --- ed_mines <ed_mines@yahoo.com> wrote: --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Storzek" <destorzek@...> wrote:Coke is flat black to dark gray in color.How about particle size? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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